A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[PrideandJoy]

I just isoed Garruk.

He seems pretty town. I'm pretty surprised that there are 5 people voting him. (although it's listed as him voting himself??)

[PrideandJoy]

Well, shit, my vote needs to be productive.

VOTE: ooba

Preferable vote out of leading wagons.

Err, possibly.

Honestly, I'm p sure you're town, so I'll throw you a bone while I make a mad dash to catch up and probably fail cuz got class soon.

VOTE: garruk

What is this Maloney?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 1, Vc 52

ooba (5) -

PrideandJoy, AGar, StupendousMan, Goat on a Raft, quadz08

Thor665 (8) -

elleheathen, Benmage, SafetyDance, Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, Shadoweh

SafetyDance (5) -

Syryana, Cephrir, displaced, Nautilius, Messiah Complex

Garruk Relentless (5) -

kanyeknowsbest, Amrun, Thor665, ooba, macmollie

Not voting (1)-

Tammy

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor665 is V/la.

Previous VC error fixed.

[Garruk Relentless]

Wth. Why is there a wagon on us? Why has only Thor provided a reason for his vote on the wagon?

-SSK

[Syryana]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ooba

[ActionDan]

good man

[PrideandJoy]

good man

^me

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Garruk

[Benmage]

Ceph

There is NO time for this nonsense.

[Cephrir]

I'll be around until deadline so at this point you can consider my vote as being functionally on every wagon, although I'm not convinced ooba is better than no lynch.

[Goat on a Raft]

We have a slight townread on ooba, mitigated by people we think are town being more convinced of his scumminess.
We have no idea how to read Thor.
We think SafetyDance's reaction over the past few days is annoying but probably more likely to come from town than scum.
We have a townread on Garruk.

Thor > ooba > SafetyDance > Garruk

UNVOTE: ooba
VOTE: Thor

[elleheathen]

Garruk's wagon is the worst at this point - it kills any good vca/reasonings we might have had on a lynch and turns it into 'loldeadline'!

As for ooba, despite him not answering me about what I see missing in his posting here as opposed to other games, I still have him leaning a bit more town than scum due to his responses to me just feeling very genuine town.

With SD, I don't see the scum mindset in listing off 10 scumreads, if that's all there is to the SD lynch. I think that's an awful move for a scum to make, and a lot of attention/people your risk questioning it if you're scum.

And I think if it's between a possible town joat and a possible town miller, there's no question; we lynch the miller.

In regards to Thor, while I agree that the last page of his commentary looks town, I also don't see it as something hard to fake when you're being run up and that's your last shot. It could just as easily be scum bluffing as town helping.

Thor is the best lynch.

I think he's scum but at this point, even if he's not at least we have

1)His claim
2)His final reads
3)And the best vca analysis we're going to get

The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.

[PrideandJoy]

The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.

false.

What crap meta are people learning these days.

[Nautilius]

You don't think that deserves attention?

Maybe an offhanded comment, but it's not the type of thing that's worth a wagon and a possible lynch.

I'm not sure where I want to go right now.

[Thor665]

Also, really curious on how Thor thinks the fact that I was talking about (normal) millers v. flavor millers is relevant since he claimed regular miller.

I claimed the type of Miller I claimed, I'll leave it to Benmage and Amrun to debate what type of Miller that is as they disagree.
I do think the logic of 'Thor is a character, who got assigned scum, so was retroactively made a Miller just for a laugh' to be little better as a case from your side of things.
I don't think you actually have a handle on Faraday's mod logic at the very least, since I am what I say I am - so either you're scum or you're advancing sketchy logic.

What is this Maloney?

Proof that I should have been sheeped days ago.
Yes, I recognize she and I are on the same wagon.
Don't care.
I am pretty sure we're lynching town today regardless and that's why we haven't managed a majority because scum aren't sweating gak.
Or maybe they're really splintered...but...meh.

Wth. Why is there a wagon on us? Why has only Thor provided a reason for his vote on the wagon?

Because I'm town.
Unlike you and your lack of a reason to be voting me...pot, meet the kettle collection.

We have no idea how to read Thor.
[snip]
VOTE: Thor

Whut?

Thor is the best lynch.

I think he's scum but at this point, even if he's not at least we have

1)His claim
2)His final reads
3)And the best vca analysis we're going to get

The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.

1. Yes, because that's impossible to get.
2. ...oookay, how thoughtful of me to provide reads, if I'd known providing jack-all would make me less lynchable I would have done that. Oh gawds, the newb is so strong here.
3. ...and, hey, look, off my VCA is scummy Garruk...who is a wagon option, so...y'know...

Worst case scenario is...? Whut? Oh gawds, another Benmage.
That's not what you actually do with Millers - you're just supposed to scumhunt them normally, not policy lynch them because you're unable to find scum without a cop holding your hand (or are Benmage - who may have that problem, what do I know?)

[Thor665]

You don't think that deserves attention?

Maybe an offhanded comment, but it's not the type of thing that's worth a wagon and a possible lynch.

"I will agree it's scummy enough to mention but to not take any action over"
Meh.

I'm not sure where I want to go right now.

Go there anyway.
Now.

[PrideandJoy]

You don't think that deserves attention?

Maybe an offhanded comment, but it's not the type of thing that's worth a wagon and a possible lynch.

I'm not sure where I want to go right now.

please Ooba.

[Thor665]

I'm also gone at this point.
Garruk is tied with two other wagons for 2nd place.
i am in first place.
This town is full of raging lackwits.
My vote isn't moving.
Catch you tomorrow or from the Dead QT raging.

[Messiah Complex]

I don't believe in the Thor wagon, as we've already said. Ooba isn't getting a vote from is either. Desperado made a judgement call on SD and I wasn't sold on it entirely, with his claim I am willing to give him a little room to work with. Garruk has been in my sights for a while, and he hasn't done anything to clear himself in my eyes.

Unvote

Vote: Garruk

[Garruk Relentless]

Hi Desp! Revenge for Castle Mafia(this is a joke, Desperado saw through our cunning scum visage and knew we were town!)?

Thor, you stop being a lackwit. I deliberately said that my vote was on you solely due to the fact lynch>no lynch. Move your ass over to the ooba wagon again and let's get him lynched!

[Messiah Complex]

Sorry, I'm not used to having to sign posts. I also thought that one was pretty obviously from me.

-FF

[macmollie]

naut

you around

what do you wanna do here

[Tammy]

Oh, please. On the day me explaining myself makes me scum, you'll be the firsts to know.

mollie, I didn't do that. That was SafetyDance. What I said was "post in a few hours". I was busy for a while, and chose to jump right in instead of providing pointless commentary and :effort: walls.

My point is not that Thor is a poor Miller who happened to roll Town. My point is that Faraday does not use Millers as a role for Town, and thus has no reason to assign it in a game other than for shits and giggles *to people he already knows are scum*, which is what Tammy said happened with her partner in Westeros. This means Thor is not a Miller, because it's a silly thing to do before alignments are assigned and a role that Faraday doesn't use to balance Town negatively, thus was not added post-alignments--that makes Thor scum.

Additionally, he's trying to paint me as if I was retroactively amending my position on this post-facto, when it was pretty obvious what I meant when I voted him and after reading Tammy's point on Westeros games.

No, that is not what I said. I have consistently said that faraday assigns roles before alignments in upicks. He assigned my partner her role of miller before assigning her alignment. He kept it afterwards. When I told him she didn't claim miller because she was too nervous to, he commented that scum millers were amusing.

That does not in any little tiny way imply that faraday waited until alignments were assigned and then decided to tack on a scum miller role for shits and giggles. She would have always been a miller because roles were assigned first. Then alignments were assigned.

And I very very strongly doubt that faraday would only include scum millers in his setups because lol whatever reason you're coming up with. You really think he'd want his games broken that way? I'm gonna guess that he's got a bit more pride in his setups. Hell last year he put two weak flavor cops in the innocent faction, and gave the scum team a full fledged cop (boring or no) in a single faction game. Why'd he do that? To give the scum team a sense of legitimation.

Why don't you check out the wire and see what happens when people decide to outguess what faraday is or isn't likely to put into his setups. And stop claiming that something that he stated in the third post of this game, ie he assigned roles before alignments and tweaked after is not true.

If you want to argue he's scum because of his play do that, but this avenue you're taking is terrible.

[Benmage]

3 Hours

[Benmage]

Whose worse, this town or the US govt.