Mini 1501: We're On A Boat! (END?! results inside)

[SleepyKrew]

Just dropping in to say that metaing me probably won't be very fruitful as I'm actively trying to change my town meta (which will also force me to change my scum meta) and I have no completed games since I've made this change

Hopefully tomorrow I'll actually be able to think and contribute

[Kazekirimaru]

lol I'm mentioned in almost every read.

I may suck at reading people but at least my existence and playstyle helps others get reads and scumhunt, amirite?

Just consider me a tool for your victory. <3

PEDIT: @Empire - Fair enough.

[Kazekirimaru]

Just dropping in to say that metaing me probably won't be very fruitful as I'm actively trying to change my town meta (which will also force me to change my scum meta) and I have no completed games since I've made this change

Go take a walk out the nearest upstairs window.

Seriously, I HATE this. I hate it when people say this. It's like an excuse to play as far from your townmeta/as close to your scummeta as you please. Get out.

Despite what you consciously change there will always be things you unconsciously do that can be meta'd. Telling people "lol don't try to meta me I'm changing up my shit" is just ridiculous.

kk sorry for the "T v T" Empire.

[SleepyKrew]

Okay yes I should probably just commit suicide

[SleepyKrew]

V/LA dead

[Kazekirimaru]

Okay yes I should probably just commit suicide

I'm not serious. My goodness. I'd never genuinely wish death upon anybody. v.v

[Kazekirimaru]

Besides. Two stories? You'd probably just break your ankles. <3

[SleepyKrew]

Not if I go headfirst

[Garmr]

@Empire are you free to do any hydras because your meta reads just blew my mind and I feel like I can learn allot from you.

[SpyreX]

Woo nelly we've got people holdin hands and movin together finally yee-haw.

SpyreX: I really disliked his treatment of the miller claim early on in #88 -- his argument that "he's not throwing it up as a shield" makes no sense given that 1) miller claims are mechanically "shields" as it is basically claiming immunity to cop investigations, and 2) Brian did initially treat his claim as a shield by telling people to "look elsewhere". He also claims the miller claim is town and wants to win without having to lynch it but then mentions in #335 that it will have to die at some point. The two positions seem mutually exclusive to me. It feels like he's keeping his options open to lynch Brian down the road. I also don't like his progression from AeroSK to Kaze either -- it doesn't make sense for him to feel so confident that Aero is scum to the point where he's willing to hammer that lynch without deliberation (and want that slot's blood all over his face) but then move onto Kaze. In that light, the vote on Kaze feels oppportunistic.

This pile really needs to be brought to light.

1.) In what universe is a miller a shield considering more than one person

wanted him dead for just that

?
2.) Yessir he was sure saying look elsewhere:

I'm the miller. I'm going to die anyways, look for someone else.

I assume the town typically either lynches the miller at some point or a vig shoots him at night.

3.) I'm not "keeping options open". I'm stating a fact. If this isn't a sweep, a miller claim gets lynched because it WILL be lynched at lylo for a loss. Its too easy and it has to be dealt with. Period. I'm pretty sure that "the meta" hasn't shifted that much since I've been around and, if it has, thats bad and you should feel bad. I want to win without having to eat what WILL be a mislynch.
4.) Now, I know I'm not hip with the lingo and I'm sooo hard to follow but the same "broken record" that Slaxx espoused was me saying that while I want(ed) the lynch, I do not want it fast and I want other things dealt with beforehand. This isn't even looking at it sideways. I want someones to straight faced tell me that ANYWHERE you get "without deliberation" from what I said. I want that done before this day is done because, when the time comes, I want whomever is left alive to murder any slot with impunity that has the stones to commit to weapons-grade nonsense.
5.) Kaze is "opportunistic". When SK started, I wasn't down with it. However, as things progressed SK is giving far more positive vibes and this is kaze:


And this isn't even under "the heat". This is little pokes exploding into nonsense over and over again. That kind of circuit rewire makes waaay more sense as scum capitulating to pressure and milking the death.

And, of course, the other vaunted scum read is Brian (and a lurker oooooh). In what universe would that make any, ANY, sense. This isn't a large. There's not room to dance that retarded of a dance.

But it sure looks good on paper.

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As for the other speedwagons:
Lol is town still. Ffirey is town still.

But this gem:

One thing from you I'm comfortable with - at least this was exactly how I felt when I first caught up. Otherwise: I hate hate hate that you get away with going all the way to SK is Town with such little scrutiny. Pretty much the only concrete scumhunting-related you'd said in the game to that point was There Will Be Blood, Aero/SK, and poof. I guess you gave your explanation for the read change but I'll put it this way: If it had been you explaining that the Maestro wagon was lazy and investigating those who were voting him and their motives, I'd have a drastically different opinion of you.

I'm assuming since you've been himmin and hawwin and finally voted I'm scum - but I actually did say Maestro was lazy way back in the before times as well. When Sk was starting but before he had truly committed to showing against Kaze's attitude about it.

Even better though - what's the scum Angle? Trading a 180 in a game where the wolves are salivating for any excuse for nonsense (see this power wagon) in order to...secure a D1 lynch on Kaze? Whom all your compatriots seem to think is my scum bro? Which, by the nature of 180'ing on wouldn't even give me that sweet town cred?

I'm rusty, I'm not pants-on-head stupid. I 180'd because it warranted a 180.

Additionally, and I don't know how else this can be spelled out - finding town early is a lot easier and a lot more useful than finding scum. Its, actually, scum-hunting *gasp*

But, we can dance this for a bit. Thats fine.

[SpyreX]

Also, since this appears to be one of those games:

I still didn't move my vote. Even though Empire is probably scum, Kaze is still the better lynch.

This can pan out SOME but I guarantee you that the end result is bad, bad, bad.

[SleepyKrew]

See this is why I don't want to lynch SpyreX even if he's scum

[SpyreX]

<3

However, more importantly - am I right and Empires stink is because thats garbage writ large?

[SleepyKrew]

It'd be nice to get past D1 with you

I'll get back to you on game content tomorrow.

Also I'm fairly sure I asked you a question that you haven't answered yet. I can find it for you if you can't

[SleepyKrew]

Post 360

[SpyreX]

You don't think I'd call people out for this as scum?

?

Well, sure, depending. The counterquestion is - do you think Aero's vote on that miller wagon was bad? If so (like I still do) then coming in making waves versus riding the easy mark doesn't make as much sense.

[SleepyKrew]

Aero's Brian vote was p bad.
But again, you think I wouldn't be "making waves" as scum?

[SleepyKrew]

Attacking people for going the safe easy route voting a lurker is actually pretty safe and easy too

[SpyreX]

Less safe and easy.

But, tomato tomato

[SleepyKrew]

But again, you think I wouldn't be "making waves" as scum?

[SpyreX]

I'm not king meta. Making those waves there doesn't make sense.

Of course, if you want to get to the heart of matters, the fact we're having THIS conversation kinda cements I was right

[SleepyKrew]

I've had these kinds of conversations as scum before. People eat it up.

Anyway I think I'm off to bed

[YYR]

V/LA until Saturday

Should have done this ages ago. >_>

[ChannelDelibird]

Massive, massive apologies. This game got lost in a bunch of other catch-ups. I'll get some stuff up today. Feel free to lynch me if I fail.

[fferyllt]

@Empire, this is a general question about your reads list. Is a full reads list something you do when you are in games from the start?