Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[JacobSavage]

Bored of the game?

[Nexus]

Votecount 3.3:

Toomai (2)-

Nachomamma8, Amrun

fferyllt (1)-

JacobSavage

JacobSavage (1)-

JasonWazza

Not voting (5)-

penguin_alien, fferyllt, Toomai, F16_Fighting_Falcon, RachMarie


With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is at 10pm BST Sunday 6th October 2013

[JasonWazza]

I didn't get prodded.

[penguin_alien]

For the usual reasons. To stop discussion cold and to deprive town of a full bandwagon to analyze.

Yes, discussion was stopped, but we started the next day down a not-very-vocal player and with a much better sense of the lay of the land. And it wasn't a small wagon, like a 5p LyLo one where each vote had massive impact. Sure, we didn't have the hammer vote to analyse, but there were five other votes there. Do you think there's nothing relevant left? Since I'm your top scum read, I assume you think I was colluding with Stubbs to let him end the day. Knowing that I'm town, I'm most suspicious of Toomai:

I also find the level of claims and partial claims a bit unbelievable in a game that is not role madness.

Theme games are often a bit more power-heavy than normal games.

I know I said I was going to vote JW, but the Stubbs claim seems wronger and wronger the more I think about it. It just doesn't fit, not in flavour nor with LnGrrrR's claim (which is much more believable). Besides, even though JW is being unhelpful, his claim is still reasonably believable.

Vote: StubbsKVM

And MSG:

Whenever I look back at the d1 posts I'm inclined to go back to my original read on the 2 JOATs. Although I don't like the way he plays, JasonWazza was a lot more forthcoming about his JOAT powers and abilities (post 310.) StubbsKVM has ignored all questions to expand on the "1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop" claim (post 257.) No detail about the claimed roleblock (post 472,) but it does provide a convenient excuse for having no result.

Am I flip-flopping? Yeah, I suppose, but it seems to me most likely that 1 of the 2 JOATs is not town. (More likely than both being town, which is more likely than both are lying scum.) I just can't see how we could have the 3 town power roles in a 13-player game. Scum would have to have some serious firepower to balance it out.

I think I just reached the same conclusion as Toomai and RachMarie. VOTE: StubbsKVM

The votes come from a slot--MSG--who voted Stubbs at the end of Day One versus Toomai who spent all of Day One saying Stubbs was suspect yet always had a reason not to vote.

I'm up for a Toomai lynch.

VOTE: Toomai

For Stubbs to self-hammer when his lynch wasn't inevitable and would provide us with the first scum flip, he had to have good reason to do it. Otherwise why not let a scum teammate hammer him for the cred? Unless they're both on the wagon, but in that case I'd bet on Toomai being one of them anyways.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: JacobSavage
VOTE: Toomai

Deadline/2nd choice.

[penguin_alien]

^L-1, BTW.

[Nexus]

Deadline is on Sunday, btw. Changed it on the VC now

[JacobSavage]

@Mod, you replaced MSG, hello

Will hammer Toomai if it gets to the deadline.

I like P_a's thinking

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Stubbs self-hammer served the obvious purpose of ending discussion. There could be a number of other reasons as summarized in this post in the mafia discussion thread, and I think it is mostly WIFOM.

Maybe your wagon is all town, and you want people to question if you're being bussed, so you self-hammer to show that scum had given up on your survival. Maybe your scumbuddies are on your wagon, and you want to make it look like that's what happened. Maybe the discussion is heading in the right direction and you want to cut it short. Maybe it's heading in the wrong direction and you want to make it look like you wanted to cut it short because it was heading in the right direction.

@ Penguin, regarding your "vocal" player, I am not sure what you mean by vocal. LngrrrR had the highest post count at that time and is still one of few players with 100+ posts.

[RachMarie]

ohhh thought you thought both toomai and Jacob were town, my bad.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

fery why are you so sold on both of them being town? Who do you think is scum then?

Both of who?

PA and Toomai are in my scumpile. And maybe Nacho. I feel strongest about PA.

I do too. I'd prefer to lynch PA over Toomai.

[Amrun]

Me likey toomai lynch. Me have fever. Me sleep 20 hours today.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

For Stubbs to self-hammer when his lynch wasn't inevitable and would provide us with the first scum flip, he had to have good reason to do it. Otherwise why not let a scum teammate hammer him for the cred? Unless they're both on the wagon, but in that case I'd bet on Toomai being one of them anyways.

I think his lynch was inevitable. He hammered when it became a matter of not whether he would be lynched but when he would be lynched. Note the posts preceding his hammer.

[penguin_alien]

So why not let someone else hammer? If it was so close to happening by your thinking? What discussion was happening that you think scum found dangerous enough to want cut off?

[RachMarie]

That is one of the reasons I am still a tad unsure of Nacho, he replaced Syr and Stubbs self hammered right after fery said she wanted to wait to hear from Syr.

I am left with, did he self hammer right then to prevent us a chance from hearing from Syr because Syr was his buddy, or because he was afraid Syr would say somehing that would show who the buddy was? Or was it just meant to be WIFOM so we suspect Syr?

[fferyllt]

VOTE PA

Not the only reason, by any means, but I don't like the WIFOM she's dumping onto the Toomai wagon.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So why not let someone else hammer? If it was so close to happening by your thinking? What discussion was happening that you think scum found dangerous enough to want cut off?

If Syr was scum and hammered providing reasoning of his own, people may use it against him. If Syr was town and townslipped while hammering (perhaps by saying something about the flip that only an uninformed player would say), people might realize he was town.

Regardless of his affiliation, more information = good for town. Shutting off that info has a clear scum motivation by itself. Speculating as to what that info might be is WIFOM.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@Mod, you replaced MSG, hello

Will hammer Toomai if it gets to the deadline.

I like P_a's thinking

PA's thinking is based entirely on the fact that Stubbs self-hammered - based on that she deduces that his buddies were already on the wagon. She doesn't consider that perhaps that's what he wants us to think. That line of reasoning goes nowhere.

Of all the info about Toomai, his charts, his graphs, his votes (or lack of them), his resignation to being lynched, even with all that data to analyze, Penguin wants to lynch Toomai because Stubbs self-hammered when Toomai was on his wagon - and I don't like it at all.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm finding that most players (of the handful at MS who have played with me extensively elsewhere) are pretty suspicious of my play style at MS on first encounter. In some cases, even after they have played a game or two with me here, they're still paranoid about my tendencies toward slow-ish starts and dithering.

Sure, but why do you think that the type of paranoia MSG had was impossible to fake? How do you think he would interact with you as scum?

give up

I'm not giving up. I'm saying that if the purpose of my lynch is for information, then I'm fine with that and won't bother wasting time defending against it.

You're a good lynch because you're highly likely to be scum. A town flip would be informative, but not so informative where it's better than a scum lynch.

You had him as null when you first came in. What changed that he is a strong scumread now?

Mostly confidence in you/ffery. Her townread on him hasn't wavered for a while so if she's not seeing even glimpses of him being scum, then I believe her for now.

Nacho, ffery thoughts on Toomai's deathwish?

He tries to discredit the attack against him by saying that he's being lynched for informational purposes, which I don't like. It's also strange that he wouldn't be interested in explaining the read on me; it's not a defense, it's just an explanation of his read which I feel wouldn't be so difficult to get out of him as town. It seems like he's just resigned as scum and accepting his lynch because it's getting close to inevitable at this point.

VOTE PA

Not the only reason, by any means, but I don't like the WIFOM she's dumping onto the Toomai wagon.

She's not the basilisk, meaning she can be cleared if we lynch the basilisk somewhere else. Toomai is likely scum even if penguin is scum. Why lynch penguin?

[fferyllt]

I'm finding that most players (of the handful at MS who have played with me extensively elsewhere) are pretty suspicious of my play style at MS on first encounter. In some cases, even after they have played a game or two with me here, they're still paranoid about my tendencies toward slow-ish starts and dithering.

Sure, but why do you think that the type of paranoia MSG had was impossible to fake? How do you think he would interact with you as scum?=

Pure lack of practice as scum would make it pretty hard to fake. He reminded me in one of his posts that he's played one scum game. One. His first mafia game ever. He was confused as fuck in that game because he was recruited by the scum team on his first night in the game.

I think someone with so little scum practice and who hadn't played a game in quite a while would be pretty cautious as scum around me. Not to mention cautious in a new play environment with a significantly different site meta. He seemed pretty comfortable while he was in the game.

VOTE PA

Not the only reason, by any means, but I don't like the WIFOM she's dumping onto the Toomai wagon.

She's not the basilisk, meaning she can be cleared if we lynch the basilisk somewhere else. Toomai is likely scum even if penguin is scum. Why lynch penguin?[/quote]

:/

I'm a reads-based player. Pretty sure you know that. I want to lynch my strongest scum read. Do you really think finding the basilisk should be our priority today?

[fferyllt]

quote fail. I think it's readable.

[penguin_alien]

Actually, since I'm not the basilisk I'm only cleared if we lynch a non-Basilisk Mafia, assuming a 10:3 set-up.

If Nacho's not scum, Toomai is the only other likely person from the Stubbs Null pile.

P-edit: yes, readable

[Nachomamma8]

I'm a reads-based player. Pretty sure you know that. I want to lynch my strongest scum read. Do you really think finding the basilisk should be our priority today?

Erm, finding the not-basilisk. Yes, I do.

[fferyllt]

Ok. How do we find the not-basilisk scum? What are we looking for?