Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Sakura Hana]

The issue I have with your case is that you think TSO's busing Cabd, and im townreading Cabd.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kazekimaru

Literally, he jumped back on the wagon with no reasoning whatsoever.

He's literally laughing and spitting in our faces by doing that.

Kay.

No. I am saying notsci v. Cabd was Town v. Town. I was saying that you and Sakura are the Scum, but if by some anti-miracle one of you flips Town then Cabd could be Scum, meaning notsci v. Cabd was NOT Town v. Town after all.

Try reading comprehension, please.

Dislike. "Ohey this is/could be town v. scum." This is usually a free pass to push one to lynch and say "Oh, well obviously it's the other one" when they flip town. This gives me bad feels.


@TSO's big quotey post:
- Idk why town-Cabd would be belligerent. I don't know his play. I don't know if this is normal.
- It's an insult because I percieved it as one? Don't worry; I don't get offended when scum insults me.
The rest: Kay. I've no interest in arguing with scum, only lynching it.

x GM is knocked down to leaning scum.
x ns is leaning town again as of 571.

Guize I'm ready to end this day.

[Kazekirimaru]

EXCEPT BEFORE TODAY ENDS I wanna hear something awesome from Cabd. Like, anything. Gimme your final reads for the day, some scrutiny of some aspect of the wagon, anything. Anything but "fuck I hate jury duty guize i'll be awesome later"

[Cabd]

We, the 12 jurors of court 62, of the county of fresno, state of california, by a vote of 10 to 2, find the defendants, April and Jay Farkas, not negligent and therefore not liable for the harm to plaintiff claimed as 500,000 US dollars, and dismiss this case.

[Cabd]

Aka shit is a coming, mortals.

[fferyllt]

Awesome. No more excuses accepted for lurking away your wagons.

[Kazekirimaru]

Aka shit is a coming, mortals.

[Cabd]

Idk how to read cabd tbh

It's okay. Just ask ffery how she does it, and then don't do it that way at all, and you're likely to get a result.

My thoughts are I will not underestimate notscience's ability to fake town meta.

I mostly agree with you here. Notsci through various means has been made aware of how his metagame is shaped. Even if he's faking it, I don't think he can keep it up the entire game though, so even if I'm dead by then, you guys should be able to figure out of it's legit or not.

Hey cabd

Sort ffery please??

Bc if she's super duper town

I will sheep her as long as she lives

I'll work on it, but bert, she's a good player, but not a goddess. Make your own opinions.

Wait, no you said you don't know how to read Cabd. But you want him to sort me?

Ffery, we both know you and I have a reputation for doing our little dances in any game we're in together. It being delayed by Sally Etherly just means it had to happen really close to D1 deadline.

Yes I want him to stop saying you're null

Because he obviously has an opinion on you andknowsyou well

She's null until proven otherwise. She's fooled me twice. Once in xenoblade mafia (large theme) and once in chef mafia (mini theme) so it usually takes me a day or two worth of posting to be sure of my read. Once I get it though, it's the strength of read that's worth faking a cop result over.

And Cabd, gut feels you're town from your latest posts.

But I won't spare you if my stronger townreads say you're scum.

Ffery seems town so far

/phone post

Your "gut" is a feature of your game as both town and scum, so go ahead and barf up why said gut thinks I'm town so far from the posts?

Lack of reach out or sorting effort from Cabd has also bothered me, but jury duty.

Overall he's reminding me of the Perpetual MYLO game. :/

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

[Cabd]

it usually takes me a day or two worth of posting to be sure of my read

Obviously in this game we don't have that large of a player list/day phases, so I'll have it on a rush order if possible.

[fferyllt]

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

I want to think that you wouldn't talk me into joining this game and then say oh shit not scum again, and go apathetic for some reason. The perpetual mylo game was a sort of unique meshing of game mechanic and player list, and that meshing made it a demotivating game for scum.

But, realistically being kidnapped by jury duty is what it is, and your lack of appearance isn't alignment indicative. It's just annoying as fuck to be on the threshold of nightfall and not have much to judge you by.

[Cabd]

Hey Sakura, hey answer my question??? Why the OMGUS?? <3

Lack of reach out or sorting effort from Cabd has also bothered me, but jury duty.

Overall he's reminding me of the Perpetual MYLO game. :/

Hmm....that's the game that you compared his 231 Mismatched play with. Hmm.....interesting, and worrisome at the same time

I'm already stepping it up, are you having problems?

Can you see why she might be having problems?

We'll see what she thinks, bert, but you might be best served by reading the mylo game yourself. It's in my wiki page.

Meh, Kaze's predecessor felt kinda town. Kaze, not so much. Reads list feels kind of empty, and it's like she/he is appearing to be doing something but not really doing anything, if that makes any sense at all. Meh.

If Cabd's trajectory is eerily reminiscent of Perpetual and Mismatched, then something's up.

TSO feels kinda town, that's why I asked Cabd and others to reiterate what's so scummy about TSO because I don't really get it right now

No, step 3 is the problem.

Sakura does that as a suicidal play because

she knows it works on you.

And it's working right now.

Sakura isn't going to flip because if I went for her then Cabd would turn on me for going for an "easy lynch." It works both ways.

This felt so genuine.

Vote: Cabd

Don't think my vote's moving in the three days remaining.

<3 Love ya, Cabd, but no sirree you gotta go today, me thinks.

This reminds me of shit you said in Mala's mini theme game, bertie boy. Why would you not want to change your vote... and then go on to do so several times?

186 - Why, though?

Because.
I am thoroughly satisfied with a lynch on either one (the other is T S O, obvs) at this point and so will continue to sway between them until it becomes clear which one is today's lynch (probably T S O, probably the better option).

I can't read GM worth a damn. Had like one decent post to my knowledge but mostly idfk. Sorreh. Null.

Considering my lack of presence thus far, Null's definitely not what most people would say.

I think you may be a person I need to be in more games with immediately.

BUT: Why didn't you address Sakura in your end-of-post readslist?

I just realized I'm voting with my other scumread and a null read. But my other scumread is being voted by...my other scumread. -twitch-

I'm not gonna wagon analyze right now.

Yeahhhhhh after a while you stop giving a shit if you ever did in the first place.

[GM is GM and I need to go baseline hyrule yet again

LOLOLOLOLOL

Also, notsci is town.

QFT

GM has made no impression on me. Need real time interactions to get some feelings going. Talk to meee, who do you think is scum? Re-read done yet?

Yes it is done, and still T S O and Sakura with low-and-unlikely chance of Cabd.

GM, you low level of engagement (and long-ish absence) is starting to bug me.

It's been a hectic time for me, particularly over the weekend which is why I went V/LA. I'm back and better than ever though.

Why hello there, darling.

Would you like to meet Bert? GM, meet Bert because you haven't been here to meet him yet. Don't break my heart...

Wait. Wait. You look really familiar. Didn't we meet that one time at that masonic lodge in Serona?

With GM it's really more the low level of engagement. I kinda expected some significant catch up from her yesterday. Our last MS game together she was scum. She kinda messed with me on day 1 of that game. She made a joking reference to that in a post right after my replace-in. Other than that, I feel like any reach-out has mostly been from my end.

Probably I should have extended my V/LA til today instead then.

With GM it's really more the low level of engagement. I kinda expected some significant catch up from her yesterday. Our last MS game together she was scum. She kinda messed with me on day 1 of that game. She made a joking reference to that in a post right after my replace-in. Other than that, I feel like any reach-out has mostly been from my end.

GM was scum in your modded game, that's my last experience with her. She's being lurky IMO, absence notwithstanding. I do remember her saying that she felt her scumplay was better during her early/earlier years on this site...that's just a random recollection of a thought/memory.

It's true. You remembered?

I think I need to reread this, but I doubt my opinions will change much.

This sort of bothers me, because I would think she's more opinionated than that...

It's because I'm opinionated that I kind of assumed they wouldn't change.
Surprise, they didn't.

Now I have to go back and find that question of mine that Sakura didn't answer.

What is so funny about me needing to update my meta-reads of you? A question for you. Do you or do you not get the vibe from me I gave off in newbie 1390?

If she doesn't step it up now that she's supposedly back, I'll have some problems.

I'm already stepping it up, are you having problems?

What was your read of Bert's predecessor? What's the rationale for your vote? The reason you posted doesn't tell me much.

I don't even remember how his predecessor felt atm, but i ISO'd him and that was a weak town lean, but i cant get much out of 5 posts.

Bert on the other hand, I'm not liking his gut reasonings looks like an easy way to get mislynches like in mismatching flavor mafia.

The gut stuff is such a feature of his town game, I think he basically has to emulate that as scum. What makes you think his gut feels aren't genuine in this game?

Ffery have you read mala's Castle Mafia? I think that's a great example of how bert fakes his gut as far as scum games go. He was more coastish in mismatching flavor, that game went on longer and he was not obvtown'd.

Yes it is done, and still T S O and Sakura with low-and-unlikely chance of Cabd.

The Sakura read puzzles me, but I know I'm swimming upstream there. The Cabd read astounds me. Aside from that Rage mini game, have you played with Cabd when he's not town? What games?

To GM:
I know you said you're going to elaborate on these and a nice big lovely "I want to ship SakuraXnoose" fanfiction would be great.

To ffery: I think the ones you mentioned are the only ones. Rage, achievement. SHe's played with me town in newbie 1390 as well.

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Pick one and stick.

Why are you guys trying to meta cabd

He has expicitly stated that he changes how he plays each game

I have stated that. I just don't know if I'm actually able to follow through with it. There's always things that are inherit to a player's subconscious that are hard to change.

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Pick one and stick.

Why are you guys trying to meta cabd

He has expicitly stated that he changes how he plays each g ame

There's stuff you can change, and stuff that's hard to change. I am making a longterm project of this.

I feel bad for ffery, I post a lot, lots of noise.

The Rage and the Achievement, both with Morph.It's not that I find him scummy as such, more that I find him the least towny of everyone I'm not reading as Scum

I misinterpreted the emphasis you were putting on "unlikely".

But, as a side note, Morph is a joint venture of Cabd and me. Why am I not in that pool?

Because you don't have an (unfounded imo) reputation for a kickass scumgame?

I really don't know what to make of that lack of interaction, tbh. Discounting the Perpetual MYLO game, he's interacted with me a fair bit in every game we've completed so far, regardless of his alignment. The MYLO game was demotivating for scum starting pretty early on day 1. I don't know why this game would have a similar effect on scum-Cabd. I'm chalking it up to jury duty time constraints right now.

To be fair, weighing giving some lady half a million dollars from her own daughter is more important than a forum mafia game.

i don't know what to post
i apologize for shitposting

The current leading wagons are me, goodmorning, and TSO. If Malakittens walked up to you, put a loaded gun to your head, and told you to pick one of us three to get shot instead of you, who would you pick? What makes that one a better choice to die than the other two?

Can we please for the love of god get votes back on scum-cabd?

I'm still not scum, you're doing the thing where you confobias yourself into a derp aren't you?

[fferyllt]

Ffery have you read mala's Castle Mafia? I think that's a great example of how bert fakes his gut as far as scum games go. He was more coastish in mismatching flavor, that game went on longer and he was not obvtown'd.

I haven't read it. I'll have a look tonight.

[Cabd]

What's your conclusion about GM, Ffery? Yeah, I skimmed it all. First part you list what's town about her, and then the second part you list what's bothering you. What do you want me to comment on, specifically?

Can we please for the love of god get votes back on scum-cabd?

Comments unrelated to Cabd please, like ffery just asked you to do. And no, I'm not caving into your pressure to vote Cabd because you said so. That won't do. And reiterating why you're voting Cabd in a way that makes sense would help too, while you're at it. "ISO me" is not an acceptable response

Bert, what changed you from "not moving my vote from cabd" to "herpaderp I'm not voting cabd even though you have a case"?

Lmfao, he knows I hate cases and asks for one.

Asking you to do things I know you prefer not to do makes me scum?

I said earlier TSO and Sakura were scum and now "oh yeah they're scum" yet you apparently don't have a townread on me when I thought them before you did. I said Agi was town before you did.

Heaven forbid my reads align with yours in several areas and clearly that makes me scum for sheeping your reads while still not town reading you properly.

Seemslegit

If you're going to make a case (as you apparently hate) then don't make it full of shit filler like this TIV.

You're trying to come up with reasons to feed the town paranoia about me (NS you've been lurking/inactive in your recent games, you scum bro?)

Or it could be an actual offhand observation about your play? Naaaaaah, that would be too easy, scumcabd is clearly setting up the global townread for a mislynch any day now.

This whole- "You've seen my scumgame" bit is a lie. You've told me that you always change how you play your scumgame after every finished game. So, that is ultimately null and the fact you're trying to use that to make me townread you is moronic.

I don't give one shit if you townread me or not right now. I do change my scumgame after every scum game. That's public knowledge. However, as ffery commented above, there's certain things that remain no matter how hard I try. I'd tell you what they are, but I'm not gonna ruin any future games where I might draw scum against you, so you'll have to do your own legwork if you wish to know what they are.

Or just wait for ffery to do the homework for you and copy paste.

You had that joking/buddy attempt on ffery when you came in- why? Because she knows you best of all the players and poses the biggest threat.

Actually, TBQH, when I'm scum, I leave ffery alone at least a day or two. She's one of the players I'm best at manipulating. My plans have only failed once (MYLO) and even then that was mostly due to apathy (and nacho being able to read me better as well).

What's your conclusion about GM, Ffery? Yeah, I skimmed it all. First part you list what's town about her, and then the second part you list what's bothering you. What do you want me to comment on, specifically?

I'm thinking scum.

I want to see her response to the assorted walls and I want to see Cabd's promised effort n stuff before putting my vote back down.

I'm here and posting and shit. What are your thoughts now about GM?

Bert, yours wasn't really a "case" persay.

Did I say I have a case? No!

I do have observations and gut feelings. Now, why are you voting Cabd? Don't you avoid my question like that please <3

What I want to know is "why"

"because he's scum" does NOT work here, okay? I am reaching out to you, if it isn't super duper obvious already

Once again, I ask why you'd hound notsci about this if you earlier voted me and said you wouldn't be taking it off and that I needed to go today?

notsci probably moving up to T depending on re-read

Also, notsci is town.

Convince me?

He's also taking nice shots like "oh being wrong does not a scum make" and etc

And he's had like no other content since then

Yeah those posts were a few minutes apart, and I like being re-assured of my own reads.

Are you wrong about me? Yes. Are you scum? Probably not.

As for other content, by all means write the Honorable Judge Harrell, Fresno County Superior Court, Department 62, and tell him you demand Cabd be allowed to play mafia in court in the future.

those 2 posts happened within 5 minutes @ns you're reaching.

He is, but this is what he does. He tunnels like wisdom minus the annoying as fuck component. Actually, part of me wonders if notsci looks to wisdom as a town role model sometimes...

Have I not been showing development in my Sakura read?

TSO is probably trying to hardbus his scumbuddy, thus why he's so insistent on him being the shepherd to the flock.

Ffery is probs town because gut

I don't think GM is scum because she was similar in 1402

I don't think you're scum because gut

Agi is town because of how he's played (and I was still first to call that)

Kaze is null because I can't read him for shit

PEDIT

So, me looking through

all

his content after my last post and pointing that out means I'm reaching?

So many gutreads. Offhand, I think i've bussed, in my scum career.... once. On day one of my first scum newbie here, I bussed my partner hard. The lynch didn't go through though and his replacement and I ended up winning on day three in a perfect win.

Re: bolded, you can't read kaze for shit but you think you can read me well?

[Cabd]

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

I want to think that you wouldn't talk me into joining this game and then say oh shit not scum again, and go apathetic for some reason. The perpetual mylo game was a sort of unique meshing of game mechanic and player list, and that meshing made it a demotivating game for scum.

But, realistically being kidnapped by jury duty is what it is, and your lack of appearance isn't alignment indicative. It's just annoying as fuck to be on the threshold of nightfall and not have much to judge you by.

I actually salivate at the thought of drawing scum to town you again. This game is the most fun when the town team is a significant challenge and then I still fool the fuck out of people when they ought to know better. That's by far my favorite type of moment in the game of mafia.

Trust me, sitting through all those fucking sidebars and objections wasn't anything less than "annoying as fuck" either.

[fferyllt]

I'm here and posting and shit. What are your thoughts now about GM?

Yes you are.

Still not liking her. However, I have been demonstratively terrible at reading her in most of the games we've played. I let her skate as scum in the two MS games I played with her where she was scum. And I've been in on her mislynch a couple times.

Do you have an opinion?

[fferyllt]

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

I want to think that you wouldn't talk me into joining this game and then say oh shit not scum again, and go apathetic for some reason. The perpetual mylo game was a sort of unique meshing of game mechanic and player list, and that meshing made it a demotivating game for scum.

But, realistically being kidnapped by jury duty is what it is, and your lack of appearance isn't alignment indicative. It's just annoying as fuck to be on the threshold of nightfall and not have much to judge you by.

I actually salivate at the thought of drawing scum to town you again. This game is the most fun when the town team is a significant challenge and then I still fool the fuck out of people when they ought to know better. That's by far my favorite type of moment in the game of mafia.

Trust me, sitting through all those fucking sidebars and objections wasn't anything less than "annoying as fuck" either.

Especially annoying as fuck when you couldn't be in the game thread fooling the fuck out of me?

[Cabd]

Have I not been showing development in my Sakura read?

TSO is probably trying to hardbus his scumbuddy, thus why he's so insistent on him being the shepherd to the flock.

OK, so you think it's TSO-Cabd or TSO-Sakura.

And you're voting Cabd. I see. Hmm....

You're really dancing and wavering around me, bert. And it feels icky.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bert

ns tunneling is town-ns but ns himself said in the last newbie game we shared that he was in the process of changing his meta so I am trying not to take too much stock in such things.

He is but it's a really shitty and not very pronounced change as far as I've seen it. Unless he means as in only the games he has ongoing, his most recent completed games aren't much different.

ns tunneling is town-ns but ns himself said in the last newbie game we shared that he was in the process of changing his meta so I am trying not to take too much stock in such things.

Good point about meta-dodging there that you just mentioned.

That's why it's hard to tell about Cabd, as he changes it up frequently too. It does bother me that he made that comment to NS about "you've seen me as town, you should know I'm town here." That gave me pause for a second there, for sure. A long long second.

The comment was mostly me teasing notsci. I know full well he can't meta me for shit unless he puts in SERIOUS effort. He can still try though. Ffery might once she gains a new proper baseline. Empire can do it practically effortlessly as he reads games like I do. Have yet to play with F-16 falcon, but I feel like he's a high enough tier to be able to do it pretty easily as well.

I really hate it when people excessively add "I see" and "hmm" to the end of posts. It's like you're trying too hard to seem like you're really thinking on it. Trying to make sure town knows your gears are turning, cause scum doesn't need to scumhunt too hard, amirite? Bert, you're giving me weird feels.

I always do that regardless of alignment, so you can choose whether it's genuine or not. I'm very melodramatic if I'm engaged - which isn't often.

If you want to know what my gut feels, it's that TSO is probably a mislynch waiting to happen. Solely gut.

And I'm teetering between Cabd and GM. Cabd is for weird comments throughout the game that ping, his play being lackadaisical similar to Mismatched, as well as Ffery (and to a lesser extent others) making remarks about how Cabd is not very townie at all. GM is for not doing anything townie looking, to be blunt. And for the voting pattern she has projected so far, along with lack of explanations. Where's the fire?

Kaze isn't the only one who doesn't like your gut this game, bud. Your trajectory this game is utterly screwy, even for you.

EBWOP: And Cabd's meta is so much WIFOM right now, because it's similar to Mismatched but "would he be blatant enough to do that two games in a row" is a messy WIFOM argument waiting to explode and ruin our fresh perspective on him. Based on his play here, just his play, I'd lynch him. GM, not as much, but I have more expectations for her.

Bah, humbug!

Is it? My play in this game was essentially reduced to quick one-liners and in pause mode thanks to being a juror. It's back to full speed. So apply your logic to these posts and this play, kthnx.

This is what I wanted to talk to Ffery and everyone else about:

Fine. You want your 1v1? You're not really going to get it until I think you're scum. So you get a 1v0. Go ahead, make a proper case for me and I'll put in special effort just for you to show you how you're entirely wrong.

In other news, i'm still town as fuck, so screw you TSO. You won't be able to mislynch me.

It's what I call the "intimidation factor." Why is Cabd resorting to this, and is it alignment-indicative or a tell in any way, shape, or form? Surely, this looks like it's supposed to arouse fear in the other and persuade someone to back down from attacking him?

Why not talk it out, or at least be more reachable for everyone

Tell me what you think, please?

This is also one of the major reasons I'm voting you, bert. I had told you several times before you posted this that 267 was made while I was drunk as fuck, and you're acting like I did it to thump my chest at TSO. As for 212, see above about trolling notscience for his inability to read me.

[Cabd]

I'm here and posting and shit. What are your thoughts now about GM?

Yes you are.

Still not liking her. However, I have been demonstratively terrible at reading her in most of the games we've played. I let her skate as scum in the two MS games I played with her where she was scum. And I've been in on her mislynch a couple times.

Do you have an opinion?

Not yet, no. I'll have one before I go to bed, though~

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

I want to think that you wouldn't talk me into joining this game and then say oh shit not scum again, and go apathetic for some reason. The perpetual mylo game was a sort of unique meshing of game mechanic and player list, and that meshing made it a demotivating game for scum.

But, realistically being kidnapped by jury duty is what it is, and your lack of appearance isn't alignment indicative. It's just annoying as fuck to be on the threshold of nightfall and not have much to judge you by.

I actually salivate at the thought of drawing scum to town you again. This game is the most fun when the town team is a significant challenge and then I still fool the fuck out of people when they ought to know better. That's by far my favorite type of moment in the game of mafia.

Trust me, sitting through all those fucking sidebars and objections wasn't anything less than "annoying as fuck" either.

Especially annoying as fuck when you couldn't be in the game thread fooling the fuck out of me?

Eh, you're getting better at finding me, but I still feel like I could fool you pretty damn well even if I start behind a bit. I'm getting to the point where I'll boil your paranoia over far enough that you'll mislynch me one of these days, but given the way you and I interact, that's pretty much inevitable before you scale back said paranoia level.

[fferyllt]

Actually, TBQH, when I'm scum, I leave ffery alone at least a day or two. She's one of the players I'm best at manipulating. My plans have only failed once (MYLO) and even then that was mostly due to apathy (and nacho being able to read me better as well).

This is so convenient. As town you leave me alone for a couple days because one of the best meta-players at MS inexplicably has a blind spot where my shitty scum game is concerned.

And as scum you leave me alone because I'm manipulable.

[Cabd]

Actually, TBQH, when I'm scum, I leave ffery alone at least a day or two. She's one of the players I'm best at manipulating. My plans have only failed once (MYLO) and even then that was mostly due to apathy (and nacho being able to read me better as well).

This is so convenient. As town you leave me alone for a couple days because one of the best meta-players at MS inexplicably has a blind spot where my shitty scum game is concerned.

And as scum you leave me alone because I'm manipulable.

It is convenient! I'd like to point out it's a mutual thing. We both have holes for each other, difference being that in the end I come out of the funnel pretty damn sure, while in your case, paranoia eats you alive every night and knowing you, you lose sleep pondering me even after you settle on a read.

[fferyllt]

Well, Paradox Prime was maybe anomalous in that respect. At least for me.

[fferyllt]

wifom bucket still overflowed, though.

[Kazekirimaru]

Is Cabd bitterly sarcastic and slightly pompous regardless of alignment? Confirm/deny please.

[Kazekirimaru]

So much meta talk about games I've never heard of.

I refuse to do homework. Supplemental reading was not something I signed up for.

[Cabd]

Is Cabd bitterly sarcastic and slightly pompous regardless of alignment? Confirm/deny please.

It's my only fun tool in opens and semiopens, since I can't gambit the fuck out of things like I prefer to do.