Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[fferyllt]

So much meta talk about games I've never heard of.

I refuse to do homework. Supplemental reading was not something I signed up for.

Game names are a sort of shorthand in the sorting process. I don't know how useful the convo is to other players tbh.

But, I think you'll see references to prior games when you're playing with meta-based players, because they do make a decent shorthand for people who either played or read the referenced games.

[fferyllt]

Talk to me about Bert, Cabd.

[Kazekirimaru]

Would reading them help one make better scumhunting decisions, in your opinion?

I know some people hold the idea that "if you didn't play with them, it isn't meta" but idk where I stand on that.

[Cabd]

So much meta talk about games I've never heard of.

I refuse to do homework. Supplemental reading was not something I signed up for.

Game names are a sort of shorthand in the sorting process. I don't know how useful the convo is to other players tbh.

But, I think you'll see references to prior games when you're playing with meta-based players, because they do make a decent shorthand for people who either played or read the referenced games.

I can start linking them to allow others to follow along i guess.

Talk to me about Bert, Cabd.

Seems he got a gut transplant from AL Capone, because his gut is similar to castle and doesn't remind me of the newbie game he mis-read and mis-lynched you in.

[Cabd]

Would reading them help one make better scumhunting decisions, in your opinion?

I know some people hold the idea that "if you didn't play with them, it isn't meta" but idk where I stand on that.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cabd

You can skim them and make your own decision. I'll tell you that when I meta somebody, I read completed games of theirs that I was not in, not just their ISO, but the entire game thread.

[fferyllt]

Would reading them help one make better scumhunting decisions, in your opinion?

I know some people hold the idea that "if you didn't play with them, it isn't meta" but idk where I stand on that.

Experiential meta is way more useful to me than cold meta. But, I still use cold meta to some extent in many games.

You could certainly track the back-and-forth that Cabd and I have had in other games via ISOs, where we were t v t, t v s, s v t. We've played 3 scum games as a hydra, and in those games we weren't interacting with each other - we were both interacting with other players. So maybe not as useful for sorting us as individuals.

[Kazekirimaru]

I shall skim.

For some reason the back-and-forth between you two and the likeminded-ness of the both of you(Cabd and ffery) makes me feel like you're a united front. Either both scum or both town. But this may be because you know each other well/hydra together/etc. So I'm probably just thinking too hard about it. Probs null.

[fferyllt]

So much meta talk about games I've never heard of.

I refuse to do homework. Supplemental reading was not something I signed up for.

Game names are a sort of shorthand in the sorting process. I don't know how useful the convo is to other players tbh.

But, I think you'll see references to prior games when you're playing with meta-based players, because they do make a decent shorthand for people who either played or read the referenced games.

I can start linking them to allow others to follow along i guess.

Talk to me about Bert, Cabd.

Seems he got a gut transplant from AL Capone, because his gut is similar to castle and doesn't remind me of the newbie game he mis-read and mis-lynched you in.

You haven't tried to add him to your townbloc in this game. That newbie game was mostly my fault for making a huge miscalculation about how well he knew my play style.

Even so, I was half convinced at times that his paranoia was manufactured.

[Cabd]

But this may be because you know each other well/hydra together/etc.

We spend at least five hours a day talking about mafia theory and such in general. Part of my towngame is drawn from hers. Part of her scumgame is drawn from mine. There's a LOT of overlap even when we're not in a hydra.

[Kazekirimaru]

Still gives me the weird feels.

Like we're kids and momma Ffery and poppa Cabd are having their own side-conversations.

Of course this isn't alignment-indicative.

But still.

[Cabd]

This dance is usually how we sort each other. I know it's not exactly helpful to the rest of you. Think of it as the two of us being in-thread neighbors trying to sort each other alongside sorting the rest of the game.

[fferyllt]

We're trying to cram a week's worth of sorting into a few hours.

[Kazekirimaru]

Have fun with that.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm just trying to gather something from this back-and-forth and I cannot and it frustrates me a bit. But, go about it.

[Cabd]

I'm just trying to gather something from this back-and-forth and I cannot and it frustrates me a bit. But, go about it.

Regardless of both mine and ffery's alignment it usually ends up giving a pretty solid reads list, so there's that.

[Cabd]

We're trying to cram a week's worth of sorting into a few hours.

Such is the life of a citizen called upon to do their civic duty.

[Cabd]

You haven't tried to add him to your townbloc in this game. That newbie game was mostly my fault for making a huge miscalculation about how well he knew my play style.

Even so, I was half convinced at times that his paranoia was manufactured.

His paranoia feels somewhat fake even as town, but the level of fake is what disatnces scum bert from town bert. Short of him claiming scum or nacho replacing into the game, I feel like that's the best litmus test I've got. And you're right, I haven't put him into my town block this game. I kinda stole your favorite little toy from your toybox and was in observation mode about him for a bit. I don't like what I've seen.

[fferyllt]

I have a castle mafia game to read.

[fferyllt]

I'm about halfway through. Bert seems a lot more serious in this game than in that one. I assume your talking about the way he flipped back and forth on macmollie? There were other stance-changes but the macmollie stuff looked over the top.

[Cabd]

Remember what happened last time I was enabled to shape your opinion of a game you were reading for the first time before you finished it? I do. Amol Iece meta says hi. I don't want you going all "omg cabd is scum and shaping my opinionzzzzz lynch" so I'll be here waiting, kthnx.

[fferyllt]

There's some sort of karma involved in me meta-ing a 130+ page game.

[fferyllt]

Ok. I didn't read the whole thread. I read his ISO and switched to contextual here and there.

And then I did the same in this game.

I am not seeing it I guess. The Castle game is Bert writ large, almost burlesquing his town game. It was over the top in nearly every dimension.

I'm really sleepy, though. I'll reread some sections of Castle tomorrow.

[goodmorning]

Yeah saying X is town if Y flips scum and hence Z would also be scum is totally not an association.

No. I am saying that you and T S O are two very strong scumreads of mine, and that IF AND ONLY IF one of you were to flip Town, then Cabd would be Scum.

In other words, X and Y are Scum. If I am wrong about one of them, Z is Scum.

No. I am saying notsci v. Cabd was Town v. Town. I was saying that you and Sakura are the Scum, but if by some anti-miracle one of you flips Town then Cabd could be Scum, meaning notsci v. Cabd was NOT Town v. Town after all.

Dislike. "Ohey this is/could be town v. scum." This is usually a free pass to push one to lynch and say "Oh, well obviously it's the other one" when they flip town. This gives me bad feels.

IT'S TOWN V. TOWN
CHRIST ON A MOTHERFUCKING BIKE
NOTSCI V. CABD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PERCEPTION OF T S O AND SAKURA AS SCUM

[GM is GM and I need to go baseline hyrule yet again

LOLOLOLOLOL

What is so funny about me needing to update my meta-reads of you? A question for you. Do you or do you not get the vibe from me I gave off in newbie 1390?

It's Hyrule that's funny.
Do I get that vibe from you? Kind of yes, kind of no. You've evolved as a player massively since then and that's the only game I've been in with you not hydra-ing.
Some of the talk is the same, as far as scumhunting and all, but then you ask questions like that one, which is entirely different in tone.

Yes it is done, and still T S O and Sakura with low-and-unlikely chance of Cabd.

To GM:
I know you said you're going to elaborate on these and a nice big lovely "I want to ship SakuraXnoose" fanfiction would be great.

Well, the T S O one is coming today. The Sakura one may have to wait till D2, depends how long the T S O case takes and how much it saps my will to live.

[Sakura Hana]

In other words, X and Y are Scum. If I am wrong about one of them, Z is Scum.

That's association, and also lining up lynches.

[goodmorning]

Do you not have a back-up plan in case you're wrong? The only people who can be certain in this game are the Scum.

Did I say X is Scum WITH Y? Did I say XY is the scumteam? No. X is Scum. Y is Scum.

That they happen to be on the same scumteam is simply coincidence.