A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Shadoweh]

>_> Wow I didn't remember him being that explicit about it. I could have sworn people were arguing seriously about it as a serious miller nameclaim.

[Tammy]

Yeah, I think Benmage and like one other person took it seriously, but that's about it.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 2, Vc 3

Amrun (4) -

Goat on a Raft, Zdenek, PrideandJoy, Alfred Borden

ooba (2) -

quadz08, AGar

Cephrir (1) -

Messiah Complex

Nautilius (1) -

StupendousMan

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Amrun

Alfred Borden (1) -

Shadoweh

Not voting (13)

: Benmage, Cephrir, elleheathen, Garuk Relentless, kanyeknowsbest, macmollie, Nautilius, ooba, displaced, SafetyDance, The Alchemist, Tierce, Tammy

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 17th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-17 16:05:01)
  
• Alfred Borden is V/la. I am good mod for noticing V/la announcements.
  

[Alfred Borden]

##Vote: Alfred

I need you to answer one question for me, who are you?

I'm a DRAGON!
The biggest one of all!
Did you try to marry me?

[macmollie]

elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, SafetyDance, Zdenek, Alfred Borden, macmollie, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, Shadoweh

So there are probably about 3 scum in this mix.
I will rule out the ones I personally think are town.

kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, Zdenek, Garruk Relentless, Tierce

Once I flip, if Vigs and whatnot could kind of focus on this group.
I give *slight* clearing to Benny because I've actually got some belief that he would be this terrible as town with a weird tunnel and, in his defense, as terrible as it is he's literally the only person voting me who has bothered to really try to make a case of it - well, Elle vaguely tried, so one of two I suppose, if you squint.

Kanye is a pain to read for me, but he has flopped around on his attitude towards me repeatedly today, and the current push came from nowhere.
Zdenek is a forerunner in the lynch for being a Miller crowd, and has done nothing to expand on that, and also could be the early scum push and make a lot of sense.
Garruk feels very taped on, I dunno, I couldn't really describe his read on much of anything and he seems to be voting repeatedly with 'need a lynch' as the only reasoning, and even seemed to semi-distance from voting me even as he got on.
Tierce tried to justify her entrance (And was called on it by Shadoweh...which was nice except that he then sheeped...I dunno, Shadoweh felt town up to this point, I'm leaving him in my townish pile) But Tierce was like 'They don't do Millers! Lynch Thor!...oh, well, okay, they do Millers, but not *normal* Millers...lynch Thor!"
Newsflash - probably no one is a clear "normal" in such an obviously theme heavy game, and that she has trampled on reality twice to justify the vote makes her look really bad.

I'd like to see Tierce or Zdenek flipped sooner rather than later pl0x.
For the record, Vig, Displaced is still an *immensely* good shot.
Just saying.

fyi this was thor's final reads list

[macmollie]

he also had concerns about cephrir, goat people and had town reads on messiah, agar, tammy I think.

[macmollie]

I am not as comfy as the rest of you people are with goat people's claim. it could very easily be a fake claim and by all means I don't think he should be allowed to skate. their start of the day post "oh I need to fleeeeeeps" kind of sounded like a bit like reverse cheerleading but not quite. hhhmmm....

who was it that said that displaced did not look scummy was it alfred

sd, syrlacious was kidnapped/silenced/abducted by aliens or something I am leaning probably town

VOTE: garruck

[Garruk Relentless]

Why Amrun though?

- Des

Amrun is the lesser of the two, but I've had a gut scum read on her since the beginning of the game(I've mentioned this as well). As well, the faces on the Amrun train engender more hope to me than the faces on ooba at the moment. I know Amrun-scum lurks a lot more than town-Amrun, and, well, she's lurking hard this game(V/LA excuse time has run out).

@Tierce: Once, only.

Do your homework. Life is eating me up and spitting me out right now, and it's felt in every game -- modded games, all played games. It's completely alignment irrelevant. It's unfortunate, and it sucks, and it SHOULD be set to improve here after I am not sick anymore. My back is finally doing pretty good but I have a fever and have been awake roughly 4 collective hours today. That's not important; what's important is that this post is scummy.

This is a lazy push that feels like an under-the-cuff attempt to discredit the flash wagon on you yesterday where kanye is irreproachable.

It was a simple misunderstanding. We didn't realize that you were in that bad of condition. However, in normal cases, this type of lurking would be scummy. Unlike a misunderstanding of personal circumstances that we couldn't have known.
And yes the flashwagon against us yesterday was largely unsubstantiated, but we've already addressed that yesterday.

I am not as comfy as the rest of you people are with goat people's claim. it could very easily be a fake claim and by all means I don't think he should be allowed to skate. their start of the day post "oh I need to fleeeeeeps" kind of sounded like a bit like reverse cheerleading but not quite. hhhmmm....

who was it that said that displaced did not look scummy was it alfred

sd, syrlacious was kidnapped/silenced/abducted by aliens or something I am leaning probably town

VOTE: garruck

What a crap post. Macmollie covers everything but why they voted us and then they vote us. Without any reason behind it. Nonetheless where macmollie does explain things, there's no decisive decisions whatsoever. Make up your mind and explain yourself.

-SSK

[Nautilius]

I don't want to lynch SD anymore.

I don't either.

@ Nautilius: Why did you end up on Thor and why did you quote Tammy's post when you did?

Deadline compromise. I quoted Tammy's post because I figured she was gonna be pissed.

I don't want to lynch SD anymore.

What changed your mind?

He sent a rabbit to us and I don't think a scum JOAT would use the fruit vendor ability N1.

- Des

Why not?

Do your homework. Life is eating me up and spitting me out right now, and it's felt in every game -- modded games, all played games. It's completely alignment irrelevant.

Eh.

Vote: Amrun

[macmollie]

What a crap post. Macmollie covers everything but why they voted us and then they vote us. Without any reason behind it. Nonetheless where macmollie does explain things, there's no decisive decisions whatsoever. Make up your mind and explain yourself.

-SSK

:/

I haven't explained anything what I did was provide a list of thor's reads.

your posts on d1 were pretty crap why do you think there was a flashwagon on you

eta:

naut

why are you saying that you don't want to lynch sd but questioning desp for his reasons for not wanting to?

[Nautilius]

Because I don't trust desp.

[AGar]

VOTE: tierce

That was the most opportunistic piece of bullshit jump on thor yesterday and I'm still pissed. Hey, I said, roles before alignments. Faraday has used millers I said. I've played in the last two faraday upicks I said. Did you listen? NOOOOO. Let's abide by some bullshit model made up by you to decide what faraday wouldn't do and just ignore the person who's played in every faraday modded game here and offsite for almost two years because clearly I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh but wait, town miller, good job.

And yeah I know empire's going to come in here and yell at me, but I just don't care right now. If you're town I have no idea what the hell you thought you were doing.

nononononononono stahp. No more of this nonsense. We need to focus on shit like lynching ooba and not having a repeat of yesterday.

We find it highly unlikely that there would be no N1 deaths in a multiball setup.

~=*MaGiC*=~ of course.

ooba continues to be town. I could see an argument that 1565 is scummy if SD is town but that isn't nearly enough for me to revoke my read.

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Can you explain how you still have a town read on Ooba (or how you ever had one in the first place)? I'd really like that.


Benmage, why are you not in here

pontificating about how amazing you are right now

owning that massive fuckup of a clear and obvious mislynch?

[macmollie]

Because I don't trust desp.

I don't trust agar.

discuss

[Shadoweh]

I'm a DRAGON!
The biggest one of all!
Did you try to marry me?

-.-

##Unvote

YOU CAN'T BE A DRAGON! THAT'S STUPID! I'm never calling you again. </3

Tammy, do you know what happened with Syr's disappearance, or are you avoiding commenting on it?

##Vote: Amrun

Vote legal tender until something besides apologies for being bad appear. Garruk's posts were eh yesterday but I'm not into him any longer. I still think macmollie should combust Why am I the only one who thinks mollie should combust? -_-

Nautilis:

Why don't you trust Desp? mislynch seeking wise, I don't think 'i got a rabbit' would make me care enough to stop pushing someone. What would you say your priorities are today?

[Cephrir]

Agar I literally made a post yesterday about why I thought ooba was town. It's not overwhelming or likely to convince anyone but myself, but there it is.

Still? Thor being town doesn't really change that for me, if anything people were resisting moving off him and onto Thor and kept trying to get the wagon going again. Whereas the SD wagon fled to all corners of the earth to get off him stat.

[elleheathen]

It would have helped...

[elleheathen]

Anyway.

VOTE: Zdenek

Bad, bad vibes. Most of his posts just look to me as though they're either trying to cast suspicion on or away from someone else.

His 1022, for example. Where it just feels as though he's pointing out things that look scummy to him without actually taking a stance on them while parking his vote from 300 posts before.

And his votes. Most of them are either blank or not really explained.

28 - Benmage - 'Obviously' (and only here to outline his original RVS)
62 - Kanye - 'Well this is actually easy.'
396 - Thor - 'Miller claim looks bogus.'
778 - Goat - 'Mainly because their interaction with Benmage which seemed like the were just trying to be antagonistic.'
1579 - Thor - Blank
1817 - Amrun - Blank

The recent 1848 gives me a

vibe

of some kind of fishing. It's a simple question though and may just be a case of 'looking to much into it' due to phrasing but that's what it felt like when I read it.

@Zdenek - What are your reads on ooba and Cephrir?
Also, do you think Amrun is scum due to her low activity despite her explanation?

[kanyeknowsbest]

hello, all. i want to lynch garuck and terice and also maybe amrun a little someonje whos good @ finding scum and also town pls tell me what 2 do ty

[kanyeknowsbest]

also ive been flip floppin hard on cephrir as well and i dunno hiow to feel abt him does ne1 feel really strongly 1 way or the other on that kid ?

[ooba]

This particular line in Garruk's post looked like it was worth checking out
"As well, the faces on the Amrun train engender more hope to me than the faces on ooba at the moment."

Amrun (3) - Goat on a Raft, Zdenek, PrideandJoy
ooba (2) - quadz08, AGar

And it does check out. He does say this about Quadz: "We don't really like Quadz either, but that's more gut than anything." and while he suspects P&J in one post for lack of activity - it quite clear from posting that they hold P&J's scumhunting in high regard and as town for the most part.

---

Something I noticed while ISOing:

- After voting Elle (after her 'WIGHT' slip) your suspicion on Elle continues for sometime. The Nat part of the head unvotes Elle in post 622 and clearly, still has some lingering suspicion on Elle:

"I still am keeping an eye on Elle, but UNVOTE: for the moment. I'm not exactly sure where SSK wants to head at the moment and it might ultimately be back onto the Elleheathen wagon, but we missed each other due to the crash yesterday and are unlikely to get a chance to speak for a day or two."

- I can't comment on what SSK thinks of Elle but clearly he's keeping an eye on her too since he's questioning Elle's scum read reasoning in post 697.

- But when you post the synopsis of the discussion the two of you had on scumreads - you do not mention Elle at all in 1317.

Why is this?

[Garruk Relentless]

Elle is still on our suspect lists, but, truthfully, Elle jumped into that whole Thor/Benmage/whatever mess and I lost track(if you missed the implications yesterday that we weren't really reading their posts, at the very least I wasn't). We did briefly talk about her in our discussion, but it was just a little blip(we actually went down the whole player list, but didn't have much to say for most) and I figured our stance was already established.

In a word, you can call our read on her decayed. I still find the wight slip suspect, but have decided to shelve it until further evidence exists. On a tangential note, I do like Elle's entrance today.

As a side-note, were going to be a bit more active today hopefully. The whole Thor/Benmage/macmollie thing yesterday got me in a slump and both heads here agreed to lurk it out. At this exact moment, I'm doing what I do best--parsing flavor and setup info. I skipped the miller conversation yesterday because I thought Thor was town and I attribute Faraday enough skill to try to WIFOM his setups, but now I have actual puzzle pieces to work with(and will have one more important one after the lynch).

A curious note: you phrased that post oddly, ooba...hmm...I need to relook at this game with a blank slate.

[Benmage]

Yeah, I think Benmage and like one other person took it seriously, but that's about it.

Hells ya I did. And uhh I'll read later.

[SafetyDance]

The Alchemist has joined the game.

I missed this first time round. Wow. Err, welcome?

Btw that Sandor pic looks like he ate way too much curry....

[Messiah Complex]

Why Amrun though?

- Des

Amrun is the lesser of the two, but I've had a gut scum read on her since the beginning of the game(I've mentioned this as well). As well, the faces on the Amrun train engender more hope to me than the faces on ooba at the moment. I know Amrun-scum lurks a lot more than town-Amrun, and, well, she's lurking hard this game(V/LA excuse time has run out).

@Tierce: Once, only.

Do your homework. Life is eating me up and spitting me out right now, and it's felt in every game -- modded games, all played games. It's completely alignment irrelevant. It's unfortunate, and it sucks, and it SHOULD be set to improve here after I am not sick anymore. My back is finally doing pretty good but I have a fever and have been awake roughly 4 collective hours today. That's not important; what's important is that this post is scummy.

This is a lazy push that feels like an under-the-cuff attempt to discredit the flash wagon on you yesterday where kanye is irreproachable.

PnJ still scummy. "Oh, Amrun's always scum." Puh-leaze.

Yup, Amrun is town.

##Vote: Alfred

I need you to answer one question for me, who are you?

You know, I'd be madder about Thor's wagon because of the miller thing etc, except uhm. Did no one notice that he kind of.. lied about who he was? I'm not a Game of Thrones scolar but that didn't look like the King of the Seals did it? It was still a terrible wagon for other reasons but I don't think over the top posts about how dare a liar get lynched are going to find teh scums.

Amrun are you going to vote all the people voting you because you suck, because that's what your vote looks like and there's a long list if you want to catch them all.

Why did you vote Alfred and

then

ask him a seemingly innocuous question that likely isn't (as evidenced by the vote)?

The middle paragraph...putting aside the misunderstanding, what was your point here? Particularly the last sentence.

And the last paragraph is classic mudsling.

I am not as comfy as the rest of you people are with goat people's claim. it could very easily be a fake claim and by all means I don't think he should be allowed to skate. their start of the day post "oh I need to fleeeeeeps" kind of sounded like a bit like reverse cheerleading but not quite. hhhmmm....

who was it that said that displaced did not look scummy was it alfred

sd, syrlacious was kidnapped/silenced/abducted by aliens or something I am leaning probably town

VOTE: garruck

I don't think Goat's information is alignment relevant. Who appears to be letting them skate by on their "claim?"

@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.

- Des

[Benmage]

Benmage, why are you not in here pontificating about how amazing you are right now owning that massive fuckup of a clear and obvious mislynch?

That lynch was a clear success. Get better.