Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:


Will have to vote from my phone, but i'll be around. I hate deadlines.

[goodmorning]

Your lack of anything resembling an accusation, a case, etc. means I'm concluding you have nothing.

Perhaps this nothing won't look like a spoiler'd wallpost then OH WAIT

IT'S HERE, BITCHES

Spoiler: 1. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck?

In case you hadn't noticed, Scum tends to make accusations, either directly or indirectly, in an attempt to make others look bad and/or to deflect these accusations from themselves.
These statements may be (are usually) poorly fleshed out.

Agi, you're now my #1 scumread.

Gravija, when you do something/wrong scummy, you can't just justify the whole thing by saying "I have Asperger's."

~reasons~ and it is best left at that.

I'm simply saying that you're wrong. I'm not treating you as inferior, I'm treating you as the latest in a long line of people to say they suspect me.

PEDIT STOP RUINING MY FUN GM ;-;

Stop buddying gm, thanks. It's making me lean on him and scum on you.

It's like you're constantly using psychology to put yourself in the Town driving seat and I just get a bad feeling from it.

Besides, making a case wouldn't even be hard for Cabd this game. Him going from foolish-town to lazy-scum on me with no change, Sakura's odd play in regards to him, his ott jokiness upon ffery's arrival etc. all make convincing points.

The above is particularly egregious for attempting associative tells.

Scum

T S O - aggressively low content, and reacted to pokes about content by showering the thread with...content

Vote: T S O

TSO has no content. He was asked for content, so he gave content. Therefore, he's scum.

What the fuck is this?

Sakura does that as a suicidal play because

she knows it works on you.

And it's working right now.

Sakura isn't going to flip because if I went for her then Cabd would turn on me for going for an "easy lynch." It works both ways.

This one is particularly egregious for the care about his appearance. Town would go for Sakura if Town thought that was right, and hang the opinions of anyone else.

Sure I'm caught up

I don't have special thoughts about anyone

I'd use my vote if I did

Didn't you do this before, see people call you Town for it and do it again?

God, you're town.

Spoiler: 1B. Do you think I'm pretty?

A subset of the above, this one attempts to get positive words directed towards/about the Scum.

T S O is very Jason Wazza like from what I remember of 1462. I played scum with him for like 2/3 of Day 1 during that game.

Do you think I'm scum here? If I am, what are my meta similarities?

Note that he didn't ask me to elaborate on my meta of him, because it was clear it was going to be negatively.

Why do you think I'm lazy as Town?

Spoiler: 2. An Utter Contradiction

We all know Scum may contradict themselves on certain matters. Not change. Contradict.

Stop buddying gm, thanks. It's making me lean on him and scum on you.

Nah, I'm not gonna vote you unless you continue to do it.

Spoiler: 3. NO I'M NOT

This one is self-explanatory, I think.

Does anyone notice how TSO got called out for his shtick about me then instantly nakedvotes without so much as a reason on Cabd?

I called TSO out for doing something arguably scummy, then he nakedvotes! This type of unconservative play is strongly alignned with standard scum play.[/SARCASM]

Come and play for real, TSO. Throwing out a vote on me for no stated reason is a bit low quality given your usual play as town.

Actually, my play in Newbies tends to be not-so-great. Laziness and an "unusual" (read: scummy) playstyle mean them and I don't always gel.

I don't understand why I'm scum though.

My vitriol is a tell of anger, not of alignment.

And TSO loves to get a scum PM with one of the strongest players in the game and immediately hard-bus the slot.

Spoiler: 4. Heat Shield

We return to some of the concepts from 1. Here we look specifically at deflection.

Vote: Cabd

This game's looking good.

You're not. :/

Why do you think Cabd is Town?

Ffery can I have meta of Sakura doing it as scum and as Town?

Spoiler: 5. My evidence is cool, my evidence is poppin'

Yet generally speaking they have little, or fake.

Not too much to catch up on, though. Looks like you guys managed to transition out of RVS nicely.


This is the part where I play scummy all day one, obvtown it up in twilight, and get shot at night one, right?

Sup. We're here to wreck shit.

AND I PROMISE NOT TO KILL YOU THIS TIME GM I KNOW MY PAST RECORD OF KILLING YOU DEAD SUCKS BUT HEY AT LEAST I ENDGAMED YOU LAST TIME

Ok, so Sakura and Gravija don't understand this gambit. That's ok.

Also, link me to a game where someone has been replaced for idiocy.

Treat me like i'm five years old. Explain exactly what you hope to accomplish with this gambit of yours. How will town react? How will scum react? How do you account for false positives, and what percent chance do you feel it has of working?


Lots of players here know me as somebody who has done quite a few gambits, including claiming scum as scum, so from one gambit guy to another, tell me what you want out of this.,

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

Sakura, you have until page 15 to be obvtown.

Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

Come and play for real, TSO. Throwing out a vote on me for no stated reason is a bit low quality given your usual play as town.

These quotes basically give me a gut feeling of scum.

It's like you're constantly using psychology to put yourself in the Town driving seat and I just get a bad feeling from it.

Kazekimaru

Literally, he jumped back on the wagon with no reasoning whatsoever.

He's literally laughing and spitting in our faces by doing that.

Spoiler: 6. "It's like you're constantly using psychology to put yourself in the Town driving seat and I just get a bad feeling from it."

(i hope you see what i did there)

notscience is my sheep, though.

indirectly you are of my herd.

Sakura-Cabd team.

Game nailed.

TSO you have literally done jack shit this game don't even pretend like this is you

You're his scumbuddy though /shrug

I called Cabd as scum first, while you were busy barking up the wrong tree (me).

So who's the shepherd? You? Don't make me laugh.

The good news is, Kaze agrees on my scumteam. So she can sheep me and ride to Townland.

How- voting Cabd without actively pushing people to vote him

Why- towncred

PEDIT

SEE

This makes no sense.

I want towncred for bussing Cabd, according to you. And my method of doing this is to proclaim myself as the leader of his wagon. (Which you've actually done for cred, you filthy hypocrite.) But I don't actually want Cabd's lynch to go through so despite championing the lynch I'm actively hoping it will fail.

What a load of bullshit.

notscience, please. let's try to be useful.

as of now, all you've done is tunnel my scumread and try to take credit for it. which is great, but makes you pretty useless all the same.

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[Sakura Hana]

im still around for any quick changes and as i mentioned before im willing to hang TSO too if that's the compromise lynch, besides my scumread on GM is weakening

Unvote
Vote: TSO

[Sakura Hana]

that should be L-1 i think

[Cabd]

I'm here so intent.

[fferyllt]

I'm here too. It's hell getting posts in.

There's about 3 hours left on the clock. I'll vote before it runs out.

[goodmorning]

I'm here as well but already voting him.

Happy to talk though.

[fferyllt]

To talk, we have to be able to post.

Town (Bert, aji102, notsci)
Probtown (Sakura, GM)
Scum (Cabd, Kase)

Possibly subject to change based on TSO flip.

[fferyllt]

If TSO flips town I dunno. Kase has been on his butt for much of his time in the game. Might give him town points for that. Cabd's hey how about nolynch was probably not going to happen given site meta about day 1 nolynch, so suggesting it so close to deadline makes me nervous.

[goodmorning]

Why would that make you nervous?

[fferyllt]

Nervous in a maybe he knows what the flip's going to be way.

[goodmorning]

And would different flips change your opinion?

[fferyllt]

Possibly.

What happens to your piles if TSO is scum? Town? You still feel the same as your last post about it?

[Bert]

I have dinner access err...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29468

Sorry guys for earlier. In the this link (Mini 1465), I had a doc appointment in June that last few days of D1, and you can see my freak-out as town when I really WAS a wagon and about to die. Stuff from personal life got into frustration here. Sorry for reverting and disappointing y'all -->

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29868

^1402 Newbie: This game, I went out on 1402 so peacefully, and I regret not doing anything about it that day

And yeah, GM's claim and reaction *seem* town

What do you all want to do

Once I place my vote, it's not moving.

A few weeks ago, I got speedlynched in 24 hours at the D2 start without a chance to say anything. This was Open 522 which ended a week ago (link below) I got lynched for reasons I didn't understand, in like 48 hours following the start of D2.: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30923

I didn't even understand why I got lynched, but this ^ Open 522 was when I was feeling calm, so you see I just said "go ahead and hammer" and didn't really do anything to stop it. And...I got hammered. Was calm in 1402 and showed lots of apathy.

But seriously, earlier today was a lot of frustration from lack of sleep and some other lingering crap and I'm sorry I brought that into this thread.

/end rant

And yeah all the paranoia/frustration I directed at Cabd and Sakura, I meant all of it though, I just don't have the audacity to lash out like a jerk like that usually

[Bert]

EBWOP: But yeah I claimed extra early in 1465 too but it was way premature, so it is what it is. Catching up now that I'm awake...

[Bert]

And I still believe in Kaze/TSO as a possible team, since I'm stubborn. That's what I posted in my frustration-filled morning BS posts, and I stand by that.

GM, her reaction + claim COULD be faked as she is smart and experienced and I know she is capable of that. But yeah claiming a PR is also risky, but yeah that's a lot of WIFOM to think about.

[Bert]

@Cabd: I honestly have no confidence reading you, so I'll flip flop like a fish. Also, I haven't seen you as town yet. I'm glad you're not voting me anymore, but at this stage if you did I don't really care because I'm awake now and actually thinking clearly for once.

Kaze/TSO is because Kaze is acting really weird about the "wagon analysis" thing (I sound like a hypocrite but still..) There is something weird about how he/she seemed to be indecisive about bussing TSO. That's the gut feeling I got. And the "one solid town read on you, Bert, only you" was a really really weird feeling. Reminds me of Cephrir in 527 where I kept reading as scum, and then she/he reached out to me, and yeah I'm really icky feeling about stuff like that so it's what it is.

Cabd has felt kinda genuine in the past day ever since he did get engaged, but... I'm very paranoid about him because he prides himself on his town/scumgame so much so really I'm not confident at all. And Ffery, this is how I felt about you entering 1415 Newbie, so no wonder Cabd feels I'm dancing around him because you felt the same way in that game.

So if not GM, then I narrow it down to TSO/Kaze PoE. I don't expect my reads to be correct though, don't get me wrong.

[Cabd]

Deadline left?

[Cabd]

1 hour 50 minutes. Will hammer before that.

Finally ffery misreads me. Woo.

[goodmorning]

Possibly.

What happens to your piles if TSO is scum? Town? You still feel the same as your last post about it?

As I mentioned, I'll be looking at you if he flips Town.

[fferyllt]

Possibly.

What happens to your piles if TSO is scum? Town? You still feel the same as your last post about it?

As I mentioned, I'll be looking at you if he flips Town.

Reasoning?

[notscience]

hi

[Bert]

As I mentioned, I'll be looking at you if he flips Town.

Why Ffery?

[Cabd]

I'm so excited! This is the game where ffery finally mislynches me, isn't it?


(Chef doesn't count)

[fferyllt]

:/