A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[macmollie]

So, a fun fact about when i joined this game. I asked a certain player why they weren't /inning. They told me "Pirate Mollie and Amrun". Fate has a strange way of cursing oneself sometimes.

I always find it weird when a person bangs on about something without ever truly saying what it is that it is that...they are banging on about. I mean if you don't say whatever it is about my playstyle that you don't like I can never really address it can I? it sounds like you have a problem with me as a person in which there is nothing that I can do about so...keep on doing on posting about it I guess? I mean as long as you feel like you are getting some type of reward out of it along with a dopamine uptake then by all means bang on.

Now, Mollie. First, by Thor/be mage/macmollie clusterfuck I mean all that discussion and boring posting. Second, to categorize elleheathen as our "strongest scum read" by the end of the day is ridiculous--i think we stated we were fully behind the Ooba wagon numerous times and I distinctly said that our read on Elle had decayed. Third, to say we have no reads is patently false. Both yesterday and today I have outlined what wagons we liked and disliked, and if you think trying to reread the thread with an open mind is somehow scummy, then you are truly a fool and I no longer wish to discourse with you.

I was responding to the content of the post that I posted to. also I don't remember "discoursing" with you in the first place, so far it seems like you just complain while I try to scumhunt you. I have also moved on mebbe my unvote was not clear enough.

1. okay well I guess you found elle's posts boring too since you said that you stopped reading them! mebbe if you gave a list of who's posts you are reading that would make it easier to see where you are coming from? it will actually help me. so far I have tierce and cephrir.
2. you said your read on elle had decayed...today. at the end of the d1 round it looked more to me like you were fishing for a convenient wagon to jump on.
3. okay

On PnJ, I expect some amount of content from them today. I had a fairly strong town read on them mid-yesterday, but the complete falling off the map is worrisome, although understandable considering we did the same thing.

(If this post seems angry, its because it is--this is the edited version no less)
(And so were clear, with the exception of the one post SSKsigned, its been all me today)

okay

[Shadoweh]

Why did you vote Alfred and

then

ask him a seemingly innocuous question that likely isn't (as evidenced by the vote)?
The middle paragraph...putting aside the misunderstanding, what was your point here? Particularly the last sentence.
And the last paragraph is classic mudsling.

I'm not answering stupid questions, sorry. You're not on the list. We tried to make it work, Death-chan, but clearly you and I weren't meant to be together and kill them all.
The point of the last line was that Tammy's over the top vote on Tierce for teh millers wasn't very good.
And finally, I enjoy a good mudfight, especially when the mud is 100% good clean fresh truth mud that no one likes to see. Amrun is legit scummy and no amount of her screaming is going to convince me otherwise. The flail at Garruk was pretty bad and looked to me like riding the target wave everyone had on Garruk for no reason. The post about Garruk later SEMMING LESS SCUMMY FOR SOME REASON LIKE MAYBE THE BACKLASH AGAINST VOTES ON HIM is lul.

Tierce what do I have to do to join this TET thing you guys have going, doesn't TETS just roll off the tongue? Would I have to stop being really good at fooling you all specifically into townreading me, is that what the problem is? Tammy and Empire probably hate me again but I haven't done anything to you lately! Well, that's not technically true but etc.

Tammy shutup, how could I have suspected that Llamarble and Empire combined was anything but a hunk of man meat?! I mean come the fuck on! (actually I kind of thought if King of the Seals was a miller then finding a not-human was a possible scum result, so I wasn't asking ahead of time. >_> ) Besides, I'm not marrying anyone, it's more like oh giggity yes.

Dan why the fuck are you not asking me to marry you yet, this is disconcerning. Does P&J stand for Piss and Jockstraps now? I think you should die if you don't start soliciting me soon. I am very disappointed in you not wishing to break the game with me here.

If you mean the people on Amrun's wagon, I have Alfred, Naut and Goat as town. Shadoweh I had as leaning town but the whole marriage thing/no marriage/dragon marriage fail gives me weird vibes. But I'm not really clear on what happens with all that so idk but it puts her back at a null. (Anyone wanna clear up what happened there for me? D: )

Not really. I showed up at Alfred's door with a bottle of Bacardi going "Hey handsome wonk " and he was like "PUFF THE MAGIC DRAAAGON LIVES BY THE SEA" and I ran away in horror the end

Oh yeah I guess I could add in some reasonable reads: Benmage's play is perfectly town and what I would expect of his Egoship. Macmollie is bad and should Live Free and Die Hard. Kayne is pretending he's posting in the Speakeasy or something and I'm pretty sure that makes him scummy. As bad as Amrun is Nautilus is probably scum anyways, there's a serious case of the quote strips with no reasoning going on there. I have no idea what's up with SafetyDance in my reads mindset, other then a general impression that his presence is like a trainwreck.

[Garruk Relentless]

I would like to formally apologize for the tone of that post, Mollie, I was kinda pissy at that moment. >.<

[Shadoweh]

OH YEAH
And Peacebringer's replace out here is kind of scummy because he did the same thing as scum in a different game, citing similar player-dislike reasons. Except the ones in the other game were reasonable whereas here it seemed like a terrible excuse. So I don't know why displaced is getting townreads.

[Nautilius]

This was a stronger response than I expected.

It was pretty much what your post deserved. Voting Amrun 'for lurking' would be dumb.

Why are you voting Amrun?

Nautilus is probably scum anyways, there's a serious case of the quote strips with no reasoning going on there.

I don't think you know how to read my quote stripes then

[Shadoweh]

It doesn't help that by now I just assume I should have a healthy town-read on the Nacho half of you, but I don't feel like you're going anywhere. Normally you're just more driven. A leader. You feel like you're hanging back and it makes me edge slowly away from your posts hoping you won't notice me. Even posting my suspicion of you makes me feel like I need witness protection.

[Nautilius]

I thought you would have a healthy townread on me by now!
Hell, I thought more people than you would have a healthy townread by now.
But then I realized I have to town it up beyond all town to get healthy townreads and I want Elli to help me do that so they can be doubly accurate.

[PrideandJoy]

Dan why the fuck are you not asking me to marry you yet, this is disconcerning. Does P&J stand for Piss and Jockstraps now? I think you should die if you don't start soliciting me soon. I am very disappointed in you not wishing to break the game with me here.

I haven't read the thread past maybe the last 10 pages. So if this is flavor for 'why haven't I town read you yet' then it's because your Thor vote yesterday pained me. If it's for something role-related to you / game mechanics-y, could you please link the post(s) so I can understand what you are talking about.

[elleheathen]

Not really. I showed up at Alfred's door with a bottle of Bacardi going "Hey handsome wonk " and he was like "PUFF THE MAGIC DRAAAGON LIVES BY THE SEA" and I ran away in horror the end

Do you only get one shot - and because you failed to choose a human you're doomed to a spinster life filled with only your Bacardi and fire?
I think I only find it weird because Tammy's search was very... open? Where I feel yours was more behind the scenes? I accept different approaches but I'm just trying to get a feel for it because there wasn't an obvious "Alfred jilted Shadoweh at the altar of fire!" mod post like Tammy/Syr's wedding post.

I don't know that their would be on a failed attempt, though. I think I remember seeing someone saying there was an instance of this marriage deal happening somewhere else? Whur?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 2, Vc 5

Amrun (6) -

Goat on a Raft, Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Nautilius, Shadoweh, Tammy

ooba (2) -

quadz08, AGar

Cephrir (1) -

Messiah Complex

Nautilius (1) -

StupendousMan

Zdenek (1) -

elleheathen

Messiah Complex (1) -

PrideandJoy

Tierce (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

Nautilius (1) -

Amrun

Not voting (9)

: Benmage, Cephrir, Garuk Relentless, ooba, displaced, SafetyDance, The Alchemist, Tierce, macmollie

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 17th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-17 16:05:01)
  
• Alfred Borden is V/la. I am good mod for noticing V/la announcements.
  

If there are mistakes in my votecount please let me know so I can fix them!!

Prodding displaced and The Alchemist.

[SafetyDance]

Was Shadoweh drunk? I really do not fathom any of that mess.

She was another 1-shot neighborizer and chose to do it overnight and failed?

That's okay.
Let's vote Amrun together!

Displaced doesn't look like a scumbag.
I'll make a new list tonight or tomorrow.

Okay!

VOTE: amrun

VOTE: amrun

[SafetyDance]

Oh, please. What a remarkable effort you're going to to misunderstand what they actually said. Nice one about their reads, too!

macmollie, you're voting Town. Scum Garruk had no reason to push a pissed-off Tammy off me when they did.

tierce I just iso-ed them and I didn't see where they did that?

They did. They have a pretty damn good reason to think I'm Town.

OMGUR!

1828/1838/1845 is completely irrelevant to the 21 players not called Garruk or Tierce.

where were you yesterday in the last hours of the day round. why are you voting amrun? why are you not trusting messiah? can we plz discuss some of our reads and see where we are at?

i'm voting amrun cos she's probably scum + for thor.
i don't trust messiah because he's messiah. i like him better now.
sure! when i sync up with elli.

Which head is acting like Messiah?

Since I'm not playing the game and am terrible at it anyway I realise the error of my ways, so I will be sheeping Tammy all day. Her rage is sincere and her ego, just perfect. So really, it's a no brainer. mmmBOP

I don't remember calling you terrible. If I thought you were just a terrible mafia player; I'd just ignore your presence and move on, but as I said earlier I think you have the capability of looking town when you are, so if you are town your not doing anything was frustrating.

Can we get something a little cooler than hanson associated with me because regardless what mollie thinks my musical taste is like, mmmbop is kinda meh.

Ha, you got the Hanson pun.

The reflected BoP is amusing. I recommended re-reading your ISO. #137 onwards should do. Plenty of highlights there.

@Amrun: Some of column A, some of column B.
I forgot about your weekend V/LA
1933 & 1934 are definitely a good start though.

TOWN:
Alfred Borden
Tammy
Tierce
Elleheathen - For the little things (#469, #1861, # 687). And the usual things. Strong read.
SafetyDance

Loving the self town-read

I'd say I'm doing pretty good not reading a 80 page thread and still a) finding scum and b) not trying to lynch 1,2,3 3! people who are/were town.

Can't say I disagree with Chess's recent vote considering Mr messiah thinks a purely null post is town.

Patting yourself on the back already with no flips and no mentions of anyone being scum.

[PrideandJoy]

and no mentions of anyone being scum.

So I've got a minute, so I'll entertain.

Point #1: Your post generated a wagon and got the game out of RVS, but it felt awkward so I'm gonna say it was scummy
Point #2: ActionDan isn't in a thread that's been open for ~hours and he's on vacation so hasn't been posting onsite for the last few days with any frequency is a scumtell.

Wat.


Point #3:

UNVOTE: StupendousMan, VOTE: Cephrir

Cephrir could have joined kanye in getting the game started. He didn't.

Man this sucks. Tierce, you picked a badass woomens like Tyene Sand or something, right?

Badass woomens all day long, dear. Aerion Brightflame the Fabulous was my first pick.

VOTE: Goat on a Raft

How dare Cephrir not jumpstart the game on page 1.

This is a chainsaw, welcome to mafia 101, you are currently running a C in the course please bring your grade up Amrun

Point #4: So, not spelling out exactly that the wagon on me was essentially an RVS wagon to get the game going, and thus ruin the remaining efficacy it had was scummy cool thanks.
And being unconcerned about ~5 votes on me is also scummy ok. I'm lowering your grade to a D gonna need some serious extra credit Amrun.


The rest of your post is similarly griping about things that are non-issues to make attacks and seem threatening. You can go in the scumpile, congrats.

Pedit: I'm sticking with my ellasomething vote for now, because there's more to be gleaned from it, but Amrun is a good vote, yes.

Mainly because since being voted, all Ella has done is react to her wagon, not scumhunt at all.

In other news where the hell is ooba's head at/reads coming from someone please explain me
I do not comprehend

I hate this D1.

Unvote. Vote: SafetyDance.

L-3
SafetyDance (10) - Alfred Borden, Syryana, Garruk Relentless, Cephrir, Tammy, Shadoweh, displaced, Tierce, Nautilius, ooba
With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

I don't even have to read the thread to know that this is a scum post.

The relief that someone town is miraculously getting lynched instead of their scum self is smattered harder on this post than the amount of goat cheese I apply to bagels. Which is a lot.

I will though there's no way I can read all of it, and I wonder if I will be able to even read the 3 wagons; still, I know a scum post when I see one. And I saw Ooba's post with 20/20 vision.

Well, shit, my vote needs to be productive.

VOTE: ooba

Preferable vote out of leading wagons.

Err, possibly.

Honestly, I'm p sure you're town, so I'll throw you a bone while I make a mad dash to catch up and probably fail cuz got class soon.

VOTE: garruk

What is this Maloney?

Also Shadoweh you're scum aren't you.

Vote: Amrun

we will join Ooba wagon if that becomes the more dominant, but we're good voting either.

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

you should watch the thread.

[Goat on a Raft]

Why are you voting Amrun?

Given that her unavailability had obscured the limited read we already had on Amrun on Day 1, this head decided that she might be more readable if she came in today with votes. So far, signs are promising. This head is going to trawl around the last few pages now and find a more interesting place to put our vote.

[Goat on a Raft]

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: elleheathen

Of those on the Thor wagon, she looks most like someone who already knew that he was town.

[SafetyDance]

you should watch the thread.

Amusing, I'd prefer to read it personally. Were all those Dan's posts? Not sure what the point of including the early posts unless you are still camping a scum-read on Elleheathen?

Actually, thought you two had backed off Amrun. Misread 1854.

[StupendousMan]

@PnJ- Answer this:

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

I like Amrun's vote a lot. She is still town.

I don't like Goat's vote on elle because she definitely thought Thor was scum the whole time, and her persistence was very town.

[SafetyDance]

I wish I could ISO 13 people in 6 minutes.

P-edit: this was to GoaR

[PrideandJoy]

that's chess' vote but it I explained why I thought he would make it in an earlier post.

[Goat on a Raft]

I wish I could ISO 13 people in 6 minutes.

1) This head started its look back with no current scumreads from the Thor wagon because, hey, we'd already have said something if anyone had already looked like somone who knew Thor would flip town.
2) Reading back, we get back to rereading #1761 (having seen a few other Thor voters around the end of the day whose positions looked fine). It prompts us to read all mentions of Thor in elle's iso.
3) We trust that our interpretations from before were still largely good, apart from this thing we didn't notice at the time (length of post an issue, this head pretty much skipped over it when first posted).

While we accept that the process 2->3 might recommend us to then re-examine

everyone

for other stuff we might have missed in order to make such a clean statement as #1964, we're just going to go ahead and run with the thing we found.

[Goat on a Raft]

I don't like Goat's vote on elle because she definitely thought Thor was scum the whole time and her persistence was very town.

Disagree.

[Benmage]

I agree with Stupendousman.. elle looked fine.

[Benmage]

I don't think scum, would need to hide in the millerscum identity... town millers take care of themselves.

[Goat on a Raft]

Btw: Aware that burden of evidence is on us, not Stupe or anyone else, and will follow up with a highlighting of the things that made us think this - but, with the time of evening it is and the amount of energy this head has, "disagree" is going to be about as far as we get for tonight. We'd like people to have a look at her ISO and see if you see similar signs, though, even if you hold back your thoughts until we've posted more of a case.

[Benmage]

I don't think scum, would need to hide in the millerscum identity... town millers take care of themselves.