Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[fferyllt]

So, PA can be not-Basilisk only.

JasonWazza is not-scum JOAT

F16 is not-scum fruit vendor

Everyone else potentially be either basilisk-scum or not-basilisk scum.

It seems like this is not actually looking for not-basilisk. You're suggesting to focus on players who could be either scum.

Is this a reasonable description?

[RachMarie]

I am so cofused here? Basilisk or not scum is scum and that both of them are mafia not 3rd party most likely.

So yeah

INTENT TO HAMMER TOOMAI

However I will give peeps a chance to post last reads, thoughts etc... And for Toomai to post any last defense etc. Since already claimed VT.

[Toomai]

Claim: Justin Finch-Flinch-Fidget-Finagle-Flap-Flack-Flutter-Flip-Fletchley, VT

Nobody likes Hufflepuffs.

It occured to me that the Basilisk may be undetectable, given how it moves through the walls and no one's any the wiser. So penguin_alien might not actually be cleared as it.

[penguin_alien]

...I suppose scum co

[penguin_alien]

Let me try that again. Ahem.

I suppose scum could have a JOAT and a Ninja-semi-Strongman that sidesteps two of the known town PRs and the only two likely useful ones. No offense, F-16. Is that probable?

Toomai, who do you think scum is? And not who has the lowest percentage reading at the moment; evaluating everything, what are your scum reads?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Claim: Justin Finch

-Flinch-Fidget-Finagle-Flap-Flack-Flutter-Flip-

Fletchley, VT

Nobody likes Hufflepuffs.

It occured to me that the Basilisk may be undetectable, given how it moves through the walls and no one's any the wiser. So penguin_alien might not actually be cleared as it.

Is the name posted in your role PM the way you said it or are you just posting it for fun?

[Toomai]

Toomai, who do you think scum is? And not who has the lowest percentage reading at the moment; evaluating everything, what are your scum reads?

Won't lynch:

• FFF
• JW

Unconvinced either way:

• Amrun
• fferyllt
• RM

Okay with lynching:

• p_a
• Nacho
• JS

Is the name posted in your role PM the way you said it or are you just posting it for fun?

No I'm messing around.

[Nachomamma8]

You're suggesting to focus on players who could be either scum.

Is this a reasonable description?

Yes.

It occured to me that the Basilisk may be undetectable, given how it moves through the walls and no one's any the wiser. So penguin_alien might not actually be cleared as it.

This makes sense flavorwise, but it doesn't really make sense balancewise.

[Nachomamma8]

Toomai, this isn't an information lynch. Is this all you're planning on giving us as far as final thoughts go?

[Amrun]

Toomai, this isn't an information lynch. Is this all you're planning on giving us as far as final thoughts go?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'll hammer in a little unless you want to wait. I don't see the point in extending this day till Sunday. I am anxious to see a flip.

Needless to say, if Toomai flips town, and I die, I strongly recommend you rethink your power lynch pool.

[RachMarie]

Has everyone had a chance to speak?

His list is not exactly very comforting to me. After all only two true town reads he has are the two PRs who are pretty much agreed upon by everyone. As for the rest of the names he leaves 3 of them open for possible switch to as scum, plus 3 names as scum....

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Actually, don't hammer. There is something I want to check really quick.

[Nexus]

Votecount 3.4:

Toomai (4)-

Nachomamma8, Amrun, penguin_alien, JasonWazza

fferyllt (1)-

JacobSavage

penguin_alien (2)-

fferyllt, F16_Fighting_Falcon

Not voting (2)-

Toomai, RachMarie


With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is at 10pm BST Sunday 6th October 2013

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

A scum game of Toomai just finished. Will post more when I finish reading.

[RachMarie]

don't take too long we have about a day and change left.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, I'd like to hear Nacho's and ffery's take on it before we make a final decision. Toomai not voting Penguin who is the only counterwagon is puzzling me as well.

My preliminary thoughts on this are that the level of certainty he exhibited in his scum game is much higher than what he did in his town games. In his town games, there were times when he just felt lost and didn't know what to do. In his scum game, I don't see that tendency. He casts a vote on the L-2 wagon immediately upon replacing in. He seems sure of what he wants and where to place his votes. He has a "scummy" read, a "scummish" read, and a null read in his initial catchup with the rest of them being null town or town to some degree. It certainly looks like someone who is image-conscious in that he needs to provide scumreads, nullreads, and townreads. In this game I see none of it. He doesn't seem to give a crap about who is a "scumread" and who is a "townread." His list contains all nulls and he seems a lot more lost and uninformed.

Nacho, I find your certainty about Toomai flipping scum very troubling. In this game, you were sure that Toomai was scum and were wrong. Yet, here you show not the slightest hesitation in saying that he is scum. If I strongly ead someone as scum when they were town, I think I would be a bit more wary about scumreading them immediately in the next game and wonder how much of it is a playstyle issue and how much they naturally play scummily.

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I want to hear what ffery thinks as well but I am don't feel good about lynching Toomai based on my meta-read.

I am going to reread through Amrun's case and note his interactions with Stubbs. She makes a lot of good points about his in-game behavior which undermine my meta-read but I'd like to go over each point in detail so we know we are making the right decision.

[Toomai]

A scum game of Toomai just finished. Will post more when I finish reading.

[analysis of the above]

FYI this was the first time I replaced into a game, so I don't know what you expect to find that isn't ambiguous as to whether it's "scumgame" or "replacegame".

JacobSavage has done squat-all since he came in, and I might at well put some sort of vote down before I get lynched.

Vote: JacobSavage

[Toomai]

Penguin who is the only counterwagon

Wait penguin_alien has two votes? Should go there instead.

Vote: penguin_alien

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Penguin who is the only counterwagon

Wait penguin_alien has two votes? Should go there instead.

Vote: penguin_alien

Wait, what happened to allowing yourself to be lynched for information? Now you don't hesitate to vote someone just because they are a counterwagon.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Another note, posts like this saying that he has 0 leads only seem to come when he is town.

[penguin_alien]

UNVOTE: Toomai

Hate the 'vote the counterwagon' attitude, but I'd expect scum to be minimally aware of who else is a viable lynch when they're on the chopping block.

VOTE: Nacho

Toomai is posting the exact same way in the game F-16 links, you read him wrong there, and you want him lynched here?

[RachMarie]

bleh maybe a PA/Toomai team after all....

Why did you switch off of Toomai right after he voted for you PA?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

UNVOTE: Toomai

Hate the 'vote the counterwagon' attitude, but I'd expect scum to be minimally aware of who else is a viable lynch when they're on the chopping block.

VOTE: Nacho

Toomai is posting the exact same way in the game F-16 links, you read him wrong there, and you want him lynched here?

How is he posting in the exact same way? Can you elaborate in detail?

[RachMarie]

Umm Toomai was scum in that game if you see similar posting here how does that make it town here instead of scum?