Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ PB- You posted oh , never mind he saw the error of his ways...I not sure if you were being genuine or sarcastic....Like I said Im trying to understand your reads .

[Peabody]

No problem, Fuzzy.

Scum reads are Satan and Nominull.

If one of these players is town, I think you're probably scum.

As I'm continuing my reading past page 10, Skelda is doing some questionable things, but I will explain in my next post. I know that's a lot of scum reads, but those four are the most questionable in my opinion so far.

[Peabody]

I'm mainly pointing out things as I see them when I see them via 10page post intervals. My reads will likely change as I go through the thread.

[Mr_Ree]

You should all switch to Nom, apparently there is no reason to think he is town and he doesn't want to look bad for listing the reason he thinks town fuzzy is scum.

There is also the fact he cannot seem to list any reason I'm not town.

[Mr_Ree]

Declaring intent to hammer Nom when he hits L-1. I will ask for a claim first.

[Mr_Ree]

I'm liking Peabody's reads far more than I did Reg's. Can't wait until the end of his catch up.

[Nominull]

You wanna go 1v1, Mr. Ree? I'm tired of you avoiding my questions. I'll self-hammer so long as you guys promise to lynch him tomorrow, and I'll recommend you take a close look at Fuzzy on day 4.

[Mr_Ree]

OMG YES!!!

Can you place the first vote?!?

It looks to me like you are the one not answering my question. What is it I haven't answered?

[Mr_Ree]

@Newbies : self hammering is extremely bad and against wincon. Don't ever do that. Except Nom. He can do that since he is scum.

[Peabody]

Skelda

- This post doesn't sit right with me. You wanted to lynch either fuzzy or bob, but then you don't want to put fuzzy at L-1?

Ranaway

- How do you change from convinced of Fuzzy's innocence to thinking he was scum based on this"little lie" case?
It seems like something quite minor to change your mind about him for.

Also, can you explain why you question someone who is too town-sided?

Sorry about my absence, there's a lot of things going on irl.

I've got a feeling that we can't trust Regfan at all, he seems too townsided, but oh well, I can't be sure, it's just a feeling.

Anyways, he did spot satan's scumslip, and I agree with that, and also feel dumb because of not noticing it, heh. Anyways, I won't put him on L-1 until he answers Reg's accusations.

I'll just unvote for now.

Unvote

This post from

Nominull

is pushing for a lynch on 2Pac to get him out of the running for Lylo. I don't like it.

And

Fuzzylogic's

willingness to policy lynch is not good. This looks like scum opening their options for a vote on a town. Policy lynches suck. Also, I quite enjoyed 2pac, and I don't think his posting was as distracting as people kept saying it was. He really did have some content in his posts. You just have to

read

it.

Also, Fuzzy looks like he tries derail the wagon on Satan here. If Satan is scum, Fuzzy can also be scum.

I love my predecessor's reads, and in particular, I like his posting about Nominull. This is true that though his posting is anti-town, it would be intentionally putting the spotlight on yourself if you were scum. Hmm.
Here's another possible derail attempt on Satan's wagon by

Nominull

.

Another scumslip by

Satan

:

@Regfan
So, basically, I am scum because my real intentions are a fake. My vote on Bob, did it actually put him at L-1? Didn't notice. I'd probably haven't done it if I had knew about it.
The point is, I really never thought he was scum. You are the living proof of him being town.

I might be bad, but not scum. However, I don't think I am going to change your mind. Your read is very solid.

I deserve to be lyched as much as Skelda, for my behavior is not transparent enough.
So let me propose this. Let's lynch him. Maybe when he turns scum you will believe in my innocence. Maybe you won't
Please, reconsider your read.

Let me see if I can make anything clearer, but I'm posting from my phone, so it will take a.while.

Emphasis mine.

Mr.Ree

, why do you think a Nominull flip would tell you more than a Satan flip? Nominull has only at the point of this post talked about 2pac. And a little bit on Satan. How do you justify this post?

[Peabody]

The above post is from pages 11-20.

[Peabody]

A real claim. But how do I do a real claim if I am neither roleblocker nor goon.

I am seriously not getting it.

I think I got it.
I can be so stupid sometimes.

I am a Vanilla Townie. So I guess that's all.

Welp. This

could

be a town-slip, but I more see this as Satan not knowing the name of the role he was supposed to claim until he looked at the sample role pms.

[Mr_Ree]

The other thing is, you two seem the most worried about convincing people you will flip town. I don't remember having to say i will flip town even once.

Saying you are ttown over and over doesnt make it true. Your actions should speak for themselves. Yours just happen to say something different.

Not one person has made a solid town case based on your actions. I ask again, why should I read either of you as town?

I've seen that hundreds of times from new players. Afraid of being wrong, afraid of being manipulated, etc. That's what it sounded like to me. There was no lie, just my interpretation. To me he sounds town.

Calling it a lie just looks bad on you. It makes it seem like you are trying to turn nothing into something suspicious. How does that benefit the town?

Pedit my nonsense? Says the newbie to the IC...

He can't justify his reads. He can't justify why He should be called town.

Fuzzy could be partners with anyone then? You are trying to widen the net rather than pin this down. That equates to keeping options open. Right now, we should be trying to eliminate townreads from the Lynch pool, not toss more people in.

Satan - Town
Fuzzy - Town
RAN - town

Reg - Null

Skelda - scum
NOM - SCUM

Easy peezy. Who are your townreads Skelda?

What do YOU think of his recent posts and why do you think that?

hit me with a "why do you think that" first, you've been pretty coy with the reasoning for your townreads all game

I hate to pull the I asked you first card but I don't want your reasoning affected by my answers. Plus, there is still the fact that you owe me an answer for why I should think you are town.

I think I've made my reasoning behind many of my reads quite clear. You, Satan, skelda, Reg, 2pac... I've listed my thoughts on all of you.

Pedit take your time. All I ask is for those three read lists at 10 page intervals.

Just try to be caught up before deadline so you can make an informed decision.

And why should I be reading you as town? What have you done this game that should read as obv town?

I'm sorry, were you not saying you found him scummy? That's what I based that on. If you in fact find him town, why don't you go ahead and explain why so we can bring Skelda into the light. You seem to be avoiding that question altogether, just like the question of why I should read you as obv town.

Yet another discredit, surprise surprise...

Are you planning on answering anything?

Skelda...you know that the reason I jumped on the 2Pac wagon was that if I didnt vote for him we would end day 1 with a no lynch. You act likeit was still mid day and that I just jumped on his wagon bc it was the easiest lynch at the time. None which is true. Secondly its not like I had not suspected you as scum but jumped on you anyways. Like I said you are grasping at straws .

I look forward to reading Peabody reads.....also at this point I think that Ran is going to be replaced.

@ Ree what do you think about my town read on Nom.

Go ahead, tell me why this is or isn't town

And why should I be reading you as town? What have you done this game that should read as obv town?

My thoughts exactly... why are you avoiding this? I've only asked 7 times now.

I gave you an answer on fuzzy. He reads as town. I've asked several times what your read is yet you've said nothing.

You should all switch to Nom, apparently there is no reason to think he is town and he doesn't want to look bad for listing the reason he thinks town fuzzy is scum.

There is also the fact he cannot seem to list any reason I'm not town.

How many times is that....

[Mr_Ree]

@Peabody, because it would mean Skelda is probably scum. I'll double ISO both and point out the obvious coaching and defense by Skelda and null towards each other. It seems needless and unwarranted and it really stands out to me as scum tactics to avoid bussing.

I really didn't/don't see Satan as scum. He doesn't ACT like scum even if he sounds sorta off sometimes.

[Peabody]

What was your previous post in reference to? It wasn't clear.

[Peabody]

Oh sorry, I meant the post before last.

[Peabody]

But how would a Nomi lynch give us more information than a Satan lynch or any one else really?

[Mr_Ree]

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I SHOULD HAVE A TOWN READ ON NOMINULL WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING DECIDEDLY ANTI TOWN ALL GAME, EVEN CONTINUING TO THIS VERY PAGE?

Pedit : I have to look back but I believe I listed reasons for it at the time. Something about the linking posts I believe between Nom and Skelda. Will post those next.

[Mr_Ree]

OMG YES!!!

Can you place the first vote?!?

It looks to me like you are the one not answering my question. What is it I haven't answered?

The other post you asked about was a continuation of this

[TheFuzzylogic99]

One of my reason is that he , in my opinion is playing more town than he did on day 1. The second reason some of your argument for him being scum is weak .For example you say that think he is scum bc you are always right thus he is scum or something like that. I think you also game your game record as a reason if I remember right. Also I came to the conclusion that it is very unlikely if he was scum it is possible but unlikely he would tunnel someone all day he new would flip town. Its possible Nom is scum I just dont find it more likely than not. This is why I think he is town.I cant speak for anyone else.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Fuzzyedit- I think you also used your game record as a reason if I remember right.

[Peabody]

The sudden build-up on the 2Pac lynch.

I'm preparing to read this portion, assured I will see something scummy. 2Pac hasn't been a top lynch choice for anyone but Nominull all game if I'm recalling correctly. Here we go:

Skelda agrees that 2Pac could be a good compromise lynch based on his possible association with Satan.

Ranawey's vote is based on... what now? You said he was "highly likely scum". Why?

Fuzzy's based on what? A need for a lynch?

I want to let these three sit here for now. The above is for note-taking.
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Annnnd another post I don't like by Satan:

*Sigh...*

I guess you're right, Nom, and I won't get Skelda today. But if I have to choose between you and 2pac, I'll sadly vote you...

Waiting for the others to post, though. Specially sthar8. Where in hell is this guy?

What's your reasoning for waiting to vote until the rest post?


It's probably appropriate for me to write notes on the current day in a new post. So this post is from page 21 to lynch (Page 26).

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ PB

Run is MIA is is being replaced.....

As far as me hammering 2pac it came to a) the rationale that a lynch would be better than a no lynch bc we would atleast be able to get a read or two 2) I was pressured and manipulated by Regs to lynch 2pac ... 3) the town seem to agree that a no lynch would really hurt the town. I felt that we needed a lynch.....

I know you cant answer for your predecessor....but he was the one who started the 2pac wagon. Nom was the only one on it and I would say if he did not jump on the wagon with Nom 2pac would still be still alive....More likely than not Satan or Nom would of been lynched. Saying all that what do you make of Regs sudden push on 2Pac with the help of Skelda? Just looking for your opinion so please do not take this as an attack.

[Peabody]

You believe Reg's case that even Reg dropped because it was too full of logic holes and Wifom?

Did you not see how re refused to lynch 2pac because he had a town read on him. AT DEADLINE. When he could have hammered if he was scum with little to no suspicion. That's HARD town right there. Voting Satan at this point is basically a scum claim. Did you not se my other reasoning for him being town that even caused Regfan to change his read?

I was planning on replying to this, mentioning that Satan's refusal to vote was based on self-interest, but I realize that the post I was going to use as ammunition looks like a post made by town. If Satan knew 2pac wasn't scum, I find a hard time believing Satan would come up with this post. He was

scared

2pac would flip scum.

Hmm... Satan just went from scumscumscum to probably town.

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Skelda

Look, no one else seems to want to take any responsibility for the lynch, but, at the time, he was the most scummy, and I still stamd by it, even after he flipped. If you want to blame me or find that scummy, fine. But I wasn't the only one who voted for 2Pac...

Do you mind explaining why 2pac was the most scummy on day 1? You said he was town multiple times. But you also toyed with the idea he was scum. Please explain.

I voted for 2Pac because, honestly, he deserved it. I'm not succumbing to that. I thought 2Pac was bad, and he wasn't. I'm not apologizing for that and anyone who does is scummy.

Do you have a scum read on Fuzzy then?

Nevermind. You do by this post. Is not being apologetic the only reason for thinking Fuzzy is scum?

Skelda feels the need to reiterate this unapologetic lynch on 2pac. It looks like a lousy line of defense.



Fuzzy

He seem to do whatever he could to get the 2Pac lynch. Honestly I wonder if he thought 2Pac might be the cop and thats why he went after him so hard. If 2pac turned out to a VT than he had an extra try during the night. Not saying this is the case but I cant help but wonder. Regs just reads scum in my humble opinion.

Hm.

I don't care for this post by fuzzy either. You felt your hand was forced under the threat of being found scummy later?

But I do like this:

i am still waiting on either Reg showing up to defend himself or someone to make a case for Reg being a townie.

He's looking for a reason to call my slot town. It's more likely town would do this than scum.

[Peabody]

I'm all caught up now.

I know you cant answer for your predecessor....but he was the one who started the 2pac wagon. Nom was the only one on it and I would say if he did not jump on the wagon with Nom 2pac would still be still alive....More likely than not Satan or Nom would of been lynched. Saying all that what do you make of Regs sudden push on 2Pac with the help of Skelda? Just looking for your opinion so please do not take this as an attack.

I would have rather had Reg keep pushing on Satan than to vote for 2pac. I don't think his push on 2pac was good because I feel it wasn't enough for a lynch. As for how he was acting, my guess is that could be explained by how emotionally involved he was in his reads.

Also, hey. I'm going to hammer Skelda. He's probably scum.

vote Skelda