A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Cephrir]

He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.

[Benmage]

vote messiah complex

[Eddard Stark]

Day 2, Vc 8

Amrun (6) -

Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Nautilius, Shadoweh, Tammy, SafetyDance

ooba (2) -

quadz08, AGar

Nautilius (3) -

StupendousMan, Amrun, Messiah Complex

Zdenek (1) -

elleheathen

Messiah Complex (3) -

PrideandJoy, Cephrir, Benmage

Tierce (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

elleheathen (1) -

Goat on a Raft

AGar (1) -

The Alchemist

Not voting (5)

: Garuk Relentless, ooba, displaced, Tierce, macmollie

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 17th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-17 16:05:01)
  
• Alfred Borden is V/la. I am good mod for noticing V/la announcements.
  

[Shadoweh]

He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.

Because he's not? He's lagging scummily behind, I don't get how you'd get a super town read from that. It's tempting to jump over but I'm waiting for Amrun to do something (anything) as well as waiting for Naut's promised ubermensch list which will convince me he is the true messiah again.

On the opposite side, I think Dessiah still looks town as heck and don't get where the tones of distrust are coming from, other then that he confirmed he got a flower and somehow he should ignore role results he got.

[Zdenek]

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

Why are you defending Messiah?

vote terizo

Damn, you're good at this!

I don't like Tierce following along, but not really contributing, especially after complaining that she's had a long day.

It's a little early for "Don't want to lynch today" on neutralreads.
Also both of those players have good amounts to go off of.

Considering that you seem to know exactly why I wouldn't want to lynch them, I have no idea why you would object to me not wanting to lynch them.

If you LITERALLY think it has anything to do with alignment, and are not just bullshitting, then you probably need your head checked. That's your own fucking problem. Sometimes, it's not so obvious. This time it's OBVIOUS and cross-games of all alignments including modded games. You're reaching at straws -- why resort to that? Don't you have ANY other better reads? Who else is scum? Your reasoning on messiah is also really scant/ completely non-existent.

This was a stronger response than I expected.

Which makes you think what?

I'm not using your RVS against you - and state specifically that I only add the first vote in there to show the one that is RVS. Are you saying your second vote on Kanye in 62 is not RVS? Because it looks like you're defending it as a legitimate vote in 69, 182 and 187...

As for the Kanye vote, your attack on me for not justifying it is obviously bogus, since you've plainly been able to find the post where I backed it up.

If you mean the wagon as a whole, I think this is exactly the time it needs to happen. There seems to be a lot of questions arisen due to her inactivity and/or lack of contribution - and running her up seems to be working if only to get her involved/responding because lurking isn't going to cut it - we need more.

If you mean the people on Amrun's wagon, I have Alfred, Naut and Goat as town. Shadoweh I had as leaning town but the whole marriage thing/no marriage/dragon marriage fail gives me weird vibes. But I'm not really clear on what happens with all that so idk but it puts her back at a null. (Anyone wanna clear up what happened there for me? D: )

I meant posts 1814, 1824, 1862.

I don't have a strong read on either Cephir or Ooba, but I don't want to lynch either of them today.

Why not?

Because they are posting content and neither seems scummy.

[Zdenek]

Mollie can you walk me through your thoughts in 1978, 1982?

[Zdenek]

Elleheathen approaching her case in 1891 from a town perspective. It's a good case, and the fact that she included his RVS vote needs to not take away from the important stuff in it.

It's bullshit.

I think Syryana was a bulletproof townie who got replaced upon kill. That might just be the Sirens talking to me again, though.

This just looks like you are trying to feign a lack of knowledge.

@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummy

Oh dear lord.

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

You're wrong.

A lot of Messiah's thoughts seem really contrived.

[quadz08]

@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummy

You mean this?

@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.

I do not see why doing the thing that is the opposite of what you say town should do makes him town. Would you like to tell me again that your logic isn't bad?

[Tierce]

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

[Tammy]

I'm in the midst of grading papers and getting ready for meetings this week. Don't expect actual content from me before Tuesday at the earliest. (Unless I'm procrastinating and in that case yell at me to finish my work!)

[StupendousMan]

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

Why are you defending Messiah?

Because Messiah is obvtown and I want to know how the hell people view them as scum.

[Zdenek]

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

Why are you defending Messiah?

Because Messiah is obvtown and I want to know how the hell people view them as scum.

Why are they obv. town?

[StupendousMan]

so far Desp has been mimicking my thought process which makes them super town.

[Zdenek]

At least I can see why this would make you think that they are town.

[Garruk Relentless]

This just looks like you are trying to feign a lack of knowledge.

lol

For this statement to make any sense I'd have to be scum with Syryana, which is quite frankly just silly even if you view me as scum.

[Zdenek]

This just looks like you are trying to feign a lack of knowledge.

lol

For this statement to make any sense I'd have to be scum with Syryana, which is quite frankly just silly even if you view me as scum.

No. Scum would have noticed that Syryana was untargetable. It has nothing to do with you and Syryana being scum together.

[Garruk Relentless]

Everyone knew that Syryana was untargettable, or are you going off my theory that he was attempted-daykilled?

[Zdenek]

So what were you thinking when you posted this?

I think Syryana was a bulletproof townie who got replaced upon kill. That might just be the Sirens talking to me again, though.

[Zdenek]

I see. You think he was a day-kill shot.

[Garruk Relentless]

That was my speculation, yes. I'm not as sure now that I did more research into it, but that it's all speculative anyway.

[Zdenek]

That was my speculation, yes. I'm not as sure now that I did more research into it, but that it's all speculative anyway.

That is such a strange post. What is this research and how did it change your mind?

[Garruk Relentless]

You can see my thought process throughout the past two pages. "research" I guess is a bit of a misnomer.

[AGar]

Agar I literally made a post yesterday about why I thought ooba was town. It's not overwhelming or likely to convince anyone but myself, but there it is.

Still? Thor being town doesn't really change that for me, if anything people were resisting moving off him and onto Thor and kept trying to get the wagon going again. Whereas the SD wagon fled to all corners of the earth to get off him stat.

I had forgotten that post. Yeah, it's unconvincing.

The folks who tried to fight the good fight with Ooba's wagon are, for the most part, town reads for me of varying levels of confidence. Quadz, PnJ, and Goat all eventually switched to Thor in the later hours, while Syr stayed on with me (although I would have likely regretfully switched to ensure a lynch had I not been at work).

Messiah's 2018 is just.. no.

Ooba continues to be scummy as all fuck, and no one does a thing about it.

Goat makes a good case here on Elle. Also, starting to wonder how off Thor's reads really were(n't).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: elleheathen

Ooba still needs the death but this is a good place for now.

[Messiah Complex]

Oh dear lord.

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

You're wrong.

A lot of Messiah's thoughts seem really contrived.

I know what it's like to be totally bogged down by too many games and too many real life responsibilities, and I never ever ever would have considered using them as an excuse as scum. I presume you have some statistical evidence that proves I'm wrong about this, yeah?

@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummy

You mean this?

@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.

I do not see why doing the thing that is the opposite of what you say town should do makes him town. Would you like to tell me again that your logic isn't bad?

What the fuck are you talking about? I am saying that a scum JOAT would not use his fruit N1. SD used his fruit N1. Ergo I think he's town.

@ Agar: sigh....what's "...no" about it?

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?

- Des