Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Bert]

v.v

ceaseless meta

self-scummetaing

wifom discussions

im losing interest

1) talk to us about the game

2) tell us what your thoughts are after the TSO flip.

A. You haven't told us what you think of your new reads after the TSO flip.

B. What has changed? Drown out our sounds with your brilliant words, will ye?

I challenge ye, challenge!!! I beseech you!

[Bert]

Bert, ffery said right before the end of day that it had changed with me no longer in the scum category.

K. THANKS

Oh, and

Vote: Kaze

Now, Ffery and Cabd please talk to me about Kaze pretty please with cherry on top? Before I go paranoia-central on him/her. lots of his/her posts have been (1) complaining about our self-meta/metaing overtendencies or (2) generally not doing much other than "trying" to appear town. Then there's the waffling that bothers me, indecisiveness in sticking a vote, the same kind I portrayed in Castle when Desperado-Mantis went head-to-head.

[Bert]

EBWOP: Plus, lots of shouting and yeah, just overreactions that don't feel genuine. The part in D1 about not having any solid townreads other than me, which is not very believable. Just to name a few, and the opening he/she had wasn't convincing. I will elaborate more tomorrow.

[Malakittens]

2.02

With 7 alive it's 4 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Cabd -
*Fferyllt -
*Bert -
*Kazekirimaru - Bert [1]
*agi102 -
*Sakura Hana -
*notscience -

Not voting: agi102, Fferyllt, notscience, Kazekirimaru, Sakura Hana, Cabd [6]

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-10-21 00:03:00)

[Kazekirimaru]

1) talk to us about the game

2) tell us what your thoughts are after the TSO flip.

A. You haven't told us what you think of your new reads after the TSO flip.

B. What has changed? Drown out our sounds with your brilliant words, will ye?

1. What about it?

2. There's likely at least one scum on his wagon. Not sure whom yet.

A. What new reads?

B. That's kinda apart of A. Isn't it?


@Cabd: Have your thoughts changed on Ffery in the last couple posts? You went from "this is a framejob" to "this is a kill we would have made as morph" so, yeah.

@Bert: Why are you appealing to Cabd and Ffery in particular?

[Kazekirimaru]

Also

@Bert:
- What is the scum motivation behind me complaining about you people and your love of meta?
- What is the scum motivation behind waffling on votes? Also, do you recall why? Was my worry unfounded back then to you?

[fferyllt]

Town (Bert, aji102, notsci)
Probtown (Sakura, GM)
Scum (Cabd, Kase)

Possibly subject to change based on TSO flip.

So, did this change? Are you gonna wait a while before you tell us why

If TSO flips town I dunno. Kase has been on his butt for much of his time in the game. Might give him town points for that. Cabd's hey how about nolynch was probably not going to happen given site meta about day 1 nolynch, so suggesting it so close to deadline makes me nervous.

Does Kaze get townpoints and why or why not?

I'm kinda stunned atm. Not just by this game and the GM NK.

At the time I was thinking that Kaze would get townpoints with a TSO townflip because it seemed to me like he didn't have a second choice lined up. Scum usually do IME.

[Kazekirimaru]

Bah. Whatever.

I'm complaining because I'm FUCKING FRUSTRATED and I can't get a damn foothold in this game as of late, it seems.

You people can't seem to go five fucking seconds before going on a fucking tangent about some game or another and lolololol metametameta fuck me sideways. I feel like you're all in some little clubhouse talking amongst yourselves and I'm just like "cool, what am I supposed to gather from this?"

I can't contribute effectively like this.

I'm sorry for being rude, but, yeah. ._.

I feel like I'm in over my head here.

[Bert]

1) talk to us about the game

2) tell us what your thoughts are after the TSO flip.

A. You haven't told us what you think of your new reads after the TSO flip.

B. What has changed? Drown out our sounds with your brilliant words, will ye?

1. What about it?

2. There's likely at least one scum on his wagon. Not sure whom yet.

A. What new reads?

B. That's kinda apart of A. Isn't it?


@Cabd: Have your thoughts changed on Ffery in the last couple posts? You went from "this is a framejob" to "this is a kill we would have made as morph" so, yeah.

@Bert: Why are you appealing to Cabd and Ffery in particular?

1. Who do you think is scum? Post flip
2. Ok
A. Yes, corresponds to 1.

I'm appealing to Cabd and ffery because Im trying to relate to their thought processes, and because I know what they're capable of as a team.

Notscience probably won't talk other than to tell me who to vote for. Sakura too, plus I constantly readher wrong. You I don't trust. Agi doesn't seem caught up or contributing.

[Bert]

Also

@Bert:
- What is the scum motivation behind me complaining about you people and your love of meta?
- What is the scum motivation behind waffling on votes? Also, do you recall why? Was my worry unfounded back then to you?

On phone so posting in fragments here.

1. It doesn't add to the game. It's empty whining, much like my aTe spill when I wasn't feeling well irl.
2. Keeps ur options open. Yes if you look back at day 1's end and prior, I never really townread you. I even stated my read on you still seemed iffy. You are experienced and know how wifomy wagon analysis can get, and then today you come out telling us how wifomy NKA is

[Bert]

Town (Bert, aji102, notsci)
Probtown (Sakura, GM)
Scum (Cabd, Kase)

Possibly subject to change based on TSO flip.

So, did this change? Are you gonna wait a while before you tell us why

If TSO flips town I dunno. Kase has been on his butt for much of his time in the game. Might give him town points for that. Cabd's hey how about nolynch was probably not going to happen given site meta about day 1 nolynch, so suggesting it so close to deadline makes me nervous.

Does Kaze get townpoints and why or why not?

I'm kinda stunned atm. Not just by this game and the GM NK.

At the time I was thinking that Kaze would get townpoints with a TSO townflip because it seemed to me like he didn't have a second choice lined up. Scum usually do IME.

I can't relate to that but I guess the "usually" part of your statement makes it a weird generalization, which makes me wonder how not having a second choice would have you giving Kaze arbitrary town points...

[fferyllt]

I said usually because it does depend on experience level. Newb scum are more likely to accidentally box themselves in, but experienced scum usually keep their options open. Town players don't worry about that. If the game state means you stop worrying about a scum read, you just...move on, keep looking and question other players.

[fferyllt]

To be entire honest, this is the kind of kill i'd make if I was scum with ffery, or was scum in ffery's slot. But I play scum in a very unique manner so for ffery to be scum means she's lifting pages from my book. Which is technically possible after those morph scumgames.

This post bugs me.

[Bert]

Why does it bug you

[fferyllt]

It's WIFOMY. It feels like a half-accusation with no push behind it.

[Cabd]

that post was an argument against ffery scum soooooo

[fferyllt]

To be entire honest, this is the kind of kill i'd make if I was scum with ffery, or was scum in ffery's slot. But I play scum in a very unique manner

so for ffery to be scum means she's lifting pages from my book. Which is technically possible after those morph scumgames.

Didn't look like an argument against to me.

[Cabd]

Technically possible means "unlikely" in my book.

[fferyllt]

Noted.

It looked like a hedge to me.

[Sakura Hana]

There's likely at least one scum on his wagon. Not sure whom yet.

By that logic, there's likely at most 4 town in his wagon too.

I've been on GM for the longest of D1 why does her death imply a frameattempt on ffery instead of me?

Why has every1 forgotten about ns?

TSO was a compromise quicklynch because of GM looking townier, not sure wagon analysis in there is gonna help when half the playerbase wasn't even around.

I Whiteknighted Cabd pretty hard yesterday and he and me are still living, that's... kind of troubling.

[Bert]

Sakura, GM explicitly told us at the end of D1 to look at ffery next if TSO were to flip town

[Bert]

What do you think of ns?

[Sakura Hana]

Idk yet, I had him as town yesterday, but I just woke up and saw you guys discussing and I'm surprised you guys didnt even mention him while you mentioned agi who did nothing yesterday.

[Bert]

I just woke up too. I mentioned him only in #833

[Bert]