A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tierce]

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?

- Des

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,

and

felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

[Messiah Complex]

That doesn't really answer my question though. Are you saying definitively that she's good enough to fake that as scum?

- Des

[Tierce]

I don't think it's

faked

. I'm saying that I don't believe she is bothered on a moral level about doing something like what she did in this thread, and so it becomes very easy, regardless of alignment, to act frustrated in response to Nacho, because the source of the matter is genuine (RL issues). The only thing I do extract from her response is that she's not Nacho's partner. The force of the reaction is null.

[Tierce]

@mod - this slot will be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Tick tock, Empire.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 2, Vc 9

Amrun (6) -

Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Nautilius, Shadoweh, Tammy, SafetyDance

ooba (1) -

quadz08

Nautilius (3) -

StupendousMan, Amrun, Messiah Complex

Zdenek (1) -

elleheathen

Messiah Complex (3) -

PrideandJoy, Cephrir, Benmage

Tierce (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

elleheathen (2) -

Goat on a Raft, AGar

AGar (1) -

The Alchemist

Not voting (5)

: Garuk Relentless, ooba, displaced, Tierce, macmollie

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 17th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-17 16:05:01)
  
• Alfred Borden is V/la. I am good mod for noticing V/la announcements.
  

Prods will go out tomorrow to whomever needs 'em.

[Alfred Borden]

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?

- Des

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,

and

felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

This sort of thing is why I think Amrun has one of the widest scumranges on site.
Also there was flash (voideaten) where she did a very good 'howmanyscum.'

I have no problem with scum doing this, since town do it, and scum should be allowed to do anything town do.

[Nautilius]

Which head is acting like Messiah?

Neither.

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: elleheathen

Of those on the Thor wagon, she looks most like someone who already knew that he was town.

Interesting vote. I don't think it's any good. Also, what did Amrun contribute in her post?

irritating when you drop in after every bloody thing we say and see scum from it because you've confirmation-biased yourself six ways from Sunday over a huge impression you wanted earlier but didn't get.

This sounds town, mollie.
Although I'd probably lynch you for it if you said it to me in person.

I don't like 1956 from Nautilius at all. Reads like fear from scum-Nacho who reeeeally wants people to believe he's town.

Is that typically your scum-Nacho experience?

This was once Syryana. No longer.

Vote: AGar

Now it's CES!
I don't mind your vote.

From this head's experience, Nacho does not actually have to do all that much to get townreads.

That's true as either alignment.

Really don't like how you've had us in your potential scum pool all game but have made almost 0 effort to sort us.

Why is Amrun scummy? What's changed from your lynch pool list from yesterday?

I think you're town now.
I was sort of hoping we could Walking Dead this game and keeping you in the pool was my hint to you. I know that people can be lurky as town though, so I've just been waiting for you to be cool and town it up for me.

Amrun is scum because she's lurking like hell and doesn't know why I find that suspicious.

Didn't have to wait long... Here's one such claim

This post is fucking awesome.

Which makes you think what?

Scum being dramatic, hence no unvote.

I have no problem with scum doing this, since town do it, and scum should be allowed to do anything town do.

I agree!

[elleheathen]

I think he's scum but at this point, even if he's not at least we have

1)His claim
2)His final reads
3)And the best vca analysis we're going to get

The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.

It reminded us of the kind of bargaining that we tend to do as scum in order to negotiate ourselves a cheap mislynch. It's frustrating because we know that it sounds reasonable but, anecdotally, this head is sure that he sees this more often from scum than town.

Do you not think that with 6 hours to go and 4 wagons at 5/9/3/6 respectively that we didn't need some bargaining to prevent a no lynch?

Do you think it's more likely that most of the scum were actually on Thor's wagon or the ones who were here and seemed to be actively avoiding any lynch?

Through all of his her focus is very largely on Thor, there's not a lot of talk or digging on anyone else.

Well, I suppose since you only:

iso'd elleheathen and ctrl+f'd "Thor".

You may have missed some of it. Though, admittedly, the point is still fair. Besides my interaction with ooba, there isn't too much of note. A lot of my questions went either unnoticed, unanswered or 'rainchecked' but not much else was jumping out as me as OMGOBVSCUM.

It adds up to a feeling that elle is most comfortable arguing hypotheticals, practicalities and gut about Thor than anything else. It's the easy way to look busy.

lol, you think butting heads with Thor is 'easy'?

Who are your scumreads?

[quadz08]

What the fuck are you talking about? I am saying that a scum JOAT would not use his fruit N1. SD used his fruit N1. Ergo I think he's town.

You are saying he would not use his fruit N1

because town wouldn't use their fruit N1

. You are literally saying "he is town for making a suboptimal town play, because scum would make the optimal town play." Do you not see where the logic falls apart?

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum, and felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

This thread is going to be extremely excited when Amrun gets back.

Is that typically your scum-Nacho experience?

I don't actually think I have a scum-Nacho experience. I know Nacho's personality decently well though, and I feel that he is unlikely to make a post that basically says "I knowwwww we'll try harrrderrrrr waaaaaa" when someone says "gee I'm not fully convinced you're town yet."

AGar, read Elle's 2057 and try to tell me she's scum again, please. Your vote is bad and it makes me sad.

Guys I want to point out that the Ooba wagon is stagnating / disappearing because Ooba has become a non-presence today.

This is scummy all by itself.

Please don't leave me dudes.

[Alfred Borden]

Hey, Empire here, I'm back and I'll start catching up now. Sorry for the long absence.

(My head's killing me and I've barely slept so we'll see how this goes.)

[SafetyDance]

He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.

This is about as useful as all Tammy's Syr/Alchy = Town and Tierce's GR = Town nonsense.

He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.

Because he's not? He's lagging scummily behind, I don't get how you'd get a super town read from that. It's tempting to jump over but I'm waiting for Amrun to do something (anything) as well as waiting for Naut's promised ubermensch list which will convince me he is the true messiah again.

On the opposite side, I think Dessiah still looks town as heck and don't get where the tones of distrust are coming from, other then that he confirmed he got a flower and somehow he should ignore role results he got.

It was a rabbit! And it took forever to catch, thank you very much. If I had managed to snag a direwolf I'd have given it to Tierce. She collects pelts, right?

I'm in the midst of grading papers and getting ready for meetings this week. Don't expect actual content from me before Tuesday at the earliest. (Unless I'm procrastinating and in that case yell at me to finish my work!)

But how will I know who is scum and where to vote?

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?

- Des

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,

and

felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

That's a pretty big statement to make. You better have something to back that up (like meta) then just speculation.

Which head is acting like Messiah?

Neither.

So why make that statement?

[SafetyDance]

@mod - this slot will be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Tick tock, Empire.

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?

- Des

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,

and

felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

This sort of thing is why I think Amrun has one of the widest scumranges on site.
Also there was flash (voideaten) where she did a very good 'howmanyscum.'

I have no problem with scum doing this, since town do it, and scum should be allowed to do anything town do.

[SafetyDance]

Thought of the Day: If Tammy costs 1 dragon, how many does Shadoweh cost?

[Tierce]

Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.

- Des

She does it regardless of alignment.

That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?

- Des

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,

and

felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

That's a pretty big statement to make. You better have something to back that up (like meta) then just speculation.

...

So you think I would say that someone used the death of a family member to garner sympathy and coast

as scum

as

speculation

?

No, darling. I was in that game. Vanillaside, run by Quilford. Large Normal. Amrun was scum. I was an Innocent Child who replaced Nacho. This game is lost to the ether from the 2012 forum crash, but Shadoweh was in it and I still have access to the scum QT where she mentions that I was letting her coast. And I have a goddamn good memory for people who show that their RL excuses are stuff that cannot be trusted in a game. It's on the same level as Knight of Cydonia using cancer to coast--guess what, he was scum. Cancer is a terrible thing, grief for a family member is a terrible thing, but if you use it as an excuse as scum, don't count on my sympathy in the future. I don't care whether it's "fair play"--it's also fair play to be cold-hearted about such people.


As for Alfred Borden's post, learn to distinguish between them. That was Llamarble, not Empire, who is the one who has been V/LA and made their latest post.

And guess what, my Garruk Relentless Townread explanation was useful because it gets people to vote someone who is not obvious Town~ If you find that it is nonsense, then by all means argue with me about it. Don't call it nonsense and ignore me.

[Tierce]

Wooo the above post was more useless than if I had been posting fluff. I'll go back to

coasting on Garruk's statement about me

lurking and making Zdenek chomp at the bit~

[Tierce]

I'm not even voting. Sheesh.


SafetyDance, why does a person voting Amrun even give a fuck about me saying that what she did in regards to RL excuses was

null

?

[Tierce]

!Syryana, care to enlighten us on why AGar is scum?

[SafetyDance]

I'm going through reading the archives of all the games everyone here has been in but in reverse-alphabetical order so I'm not up to Amrun yet, so yes, it needed explaining.

Also how you phrase it is important. "as scum" or "when scum" have two very different meanings.

Edit - ask Tammy.

[Tierce]

Edit - ask Tammy.

No, I'm asking

you

, because you're voting Amrun and turned to me like what I was saying was something completely off the wall that I was "speculating" on. Why, when

you

are voting Amrun, do you care that

I

say that Messiah Complex's Townread on her actually has faulty reasoning because it's a null behavior?

[SafetyDance]

As for Alfred Borden's post, learn to distinguish between them. That was Llamarble, not Empire, who is

the one

who has been V/LA and made their latest post.

@mod - this

slot

will be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Tick tock, Empire.

@mod - this

slot

will be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.

[SafetyDance]

I'm not ignoring you, you're ignoring this game.

Oh, please. What a remarkable effort you're going to to misunderstand what they actually said. Nice one about their reads, too!

macmollie, you're voting Town. Scum Garruk had no reason to push a pissed-off Tammy off me when they did.

tierce I just iso-ed them and I didn't see where they did that?

They did. They have a pretty damn good reason to think I'm Town.

OMGUR!

1828/1838/1845 is completely irrelevant to the 21 players not called Garruk or Tierce.

Garruk is not obvious town.
Tierce is not obvious town.

[SafetyDance]

Edit - ask Tammy.

No, I'm asking

you

, because you're voting Amrun and turned to me like what I was saying was something completely off the wall that I was "speculating" on. Why, when

you

are voting Amrun, do you care that

I

say that Messiah Complex's Townread on her actually has faulty reasoning because it's a null behavior?

Then you really are not following at all.

Spoiler:

Bah. MC beat me to the thread. I'm still posting this:



My scum reads are:
Garruk - haven't like their early play, from their reactions to others, their conciliatory nature which appears fake, hydra flak. Wasn't getting any town ffelings from any of the rest of the posts and I'm not sure what to make of the reaction to the deadline reaction to their wagon.
Syrana - I'm positive one of the early Syr/Tammy/Shadow/Tierce party is scum and it's not Shadow and when Syr wasn't pretending this was a social function he was tunnelling. Scum.
Alfred - flip-flopping reads constantly based on the shadows reflected on the tea-leaves (meta). No.
Goat - overall play typified by the hypocrisy in 1075

Anyway it's all irrelevant.

Since I'm not playing the game and am terrible at it anyway I realise the error of my ways, so I will be sheeping Tammy all day. Her rage is sincere and her ego, just perfect. So really, it's a no brainer. mmmBOP

Was Shadoweh drunk? I really do not fathom any of that mess.

She was another 1-shot neighborizer and chose to do it overnight and failed?

That's okay.
Let's vote Amrun together!

Displaced doesn't look like a scumbag.
I'll make a new list tonight or tomorrow.

Okay!

VOTE: amrun

VOTE: amrun

And regardless at whomever the hell you are targeting, if you make a statement like you made about Amrun, I don't know why you wouldn't supply the relevant information to back it up in that very post. Not everyone has read every game on this site so yes, it is speculation.

[Tierce]

My point is that you don't get the luxury to sheep Tammy when you were Townreading Amrun Yesterday, not give any reasoning for this vote, and then stomp your foot at me when I was making a statement about Amrun's

null

reaction to Nautilius.

You had a null read on Tammy, a scumread on Alfred Borden, a Townread on Amrun, and end up sheeping Messieurs Borden and Tammy onto Amrun. WTF? I don't care about your little ego trip, if you're going to not play the game just get out. You were doing something Yesterday, but Today you are absolutely refusing to do anything worth reading. Get off that high horse and explain yourself.


Also

Llamarble

was being active. Since you apparently don't know their posting styles, I'm telling you that Llamarble has been posting, Empire was the one V/LA. Accept a reality that has no bearing in the game and

move on

.

...And not being "obvious Town" by your standard mean that I cannot explain how Garruk is obvious Town by my standard, from my point of view? Well done, excellent job there. Come now. Why would Garruk come into D2 defending me as they did from Tammy if they were scum? Why would they do that if they were my scumpartners? The logical following is that, if it does not make sense for them to do it as scum (which it does not, and you are free to argue with me on why it does make sense from your PoV since you are calling it "nonsense"), then we are both Town.

Not rocket surgery.

[Tierce]

Whatever. I have better things to do than attempting to extract responses from someone who decides to not play the game. Just do everyone involved a favor and don't sign up for games if you're going to be all pouty that someone called you out on being useless. Self-fulfilling prophecies are nice like that.

!Syr, AGar a question for you. And me and my absolutely appalling puns will be over there. (>")>

[Alfred Borden]

Ok, my attention's slowly fading so I did skim some of the wallier posts >_>
I'll reread when I'm not feeling completely miserable so if I missed anything, just let me know.

And yeah I know empire's going to come in here and yell at me, but I just don't care right now. If you're town I have no idea what the hell you thought you were doing.

You're lucky I decided to go check the latest VC after this post because I was going to put you in time out if that was still there.

hello, all. i want to lynch garuck and terice and also maybe amrun a little someonje whos good @ finding scum and also town pls tell me what 2 do ty

Well, Tierce is town and I'm leaning that way towards Garruk as well but I'm going to reread them when I have a clearer head. Hope this helps, kanye-kun.

Tierce what do I have to do to join this TET thing you guys have going, doesn't TETS just roll off the tongue? Would I have to stop being really good at fooling you all specifically into townreading me, is that what the problem is? Tammy and Empire probably hate me again but I haven't done anything to you lately! Well, that's not technically true but etc.

Tammy shutup, how could I have suspected that Llamarble and Empire combined was anything but a hunk of man meat?! I mean come the fuck on! (actually I kind of thought if King of the Seals was a miller then finding a not-human was a possible scum result, so I wasn't asking ahead of time. >_> ) Besides, I'm not marrying anyone, it's more like oh giggity yes.

Well, the obvtownie fun club is pretty exclusive. I just checked your background and it would seem that after games like Wingate Mansion you are, in fact, not the kind we're looking for (on a more serious note, this is why I'm just deferring to my other head completely on you). Also, this dragon is in a bit of a funk after Tammy rejected us so sorry, you're going to have to wait for us to learn to love again.

OH YEAH
And Peacebringer's replace out here is kind of scummy because he did the same thing as scum in a different game, citing similar player-dislike reasons. Except the ones in the other game were reasonable whereas here it seemed like a terrible excuse. So I don't know why displaced is getting townreads.

Well my initial thought was that the replace out here was kinda town since I think he'd be more likely to be offended by someone putting down his playstyle to the point of replacing out as town (and I vaguely remember him posting in MD about people shitting on his playstyle here before he left). I didn't think anything of the replace out in Wingate Mansion for obvious reasons, but now that you mention it, it might be worth checking out to see if he only replaces out like this as scum.