A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Alfred Borden]

This was once Syryana. No longer.

Vote: AGar

If you're who I think you are, thank fucking god you replaced into a slot I'm finally reading as town for once.

On a related note, why AGar?

[macmollie]

Also, to note regarding the Alchemist - http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Ent ... in_Oldtown. Murderer of Pate, probably Jaqen H'Gar. Not sure what that means here, but figured I'd share it just in case someone has a bright idea.

I gathered that from the cryptic statements and the avvie.

I think they are having fun with their role.

Mollie, do you always flipflop so much? Your willingness to vote for or work with Goat has been all over the map.

its almost as if you don't know me cephrir

Mollie can you walk me through your thoughts in 1978, 1982?

I thought I kind of explained to goat people why I voted them in #1978; it was their vote on elle. are you wanting to know why I am them as town for now? it is cos of the emotional internal consistency in their responses. I think they are wrong about that post and I am struggling to see how on earth they are seeing that that post implies that elle knew thor's alignment ahead of time. I don't like their post #2012 to quadz where he says he thinks that naut's post #1956 felt exaggerated and thought it might be due to nacho feeling "less likely to be townread this game". like that is so divorced from d1 reality it is not even funny. so they have been moved to null but treating as town for now to see where it goes.

[macmollie]

This was once Syryana. No longer.

Vote: AGar

If you're who I think you are, thank fucking god you replaced into a slot I'm finally reading as town for once.

On a related note, why AGar?

when were you scumreading syrlacious?

[Alfred Borden]

when were you scumreading syrlacious?

I never was, I'm just stoked that that player (if I'm right anyway) replaced someone I had a townread on for reasons I don't want to get into right now. Worded it poorly probably because I'm not 100% here mentally right now.

Also, re: that alt being cryptic/roleplaying/whatever, I don't think so; there's only one player on the site who posts like that.

[macmollie]

Well my initial thought was that the replace out here was kinda town since I think he'd be more likely to be offended by someone putting down his playstyle to the point of replacing out as town (and I vaguely remember him posting in MD about people shitting on his playstyle here before he left). I didn't think anything of the replace out in Wingate Mansion for obvious reasons, but now that you mention it, it might be worth checking out to see if he only replaces out like this as scum.

*anxiously awaits to see what alfred comes up with*

[Tammy]

Also, this dragon is in a bit of a funk after Tammy rejected us so sorry, you're going to have to wait for us to learn to love again.

I never even got the chance to reject you; I doubt I would have!

[Tierce]

Also, re: that alt being cryptic/roleplaying/whatever, I don't think so; there's only one player on the site who posts like that.

Hard to fake, that!

[Alfred Borden]

Tierce, please don't kill my dreams, thanks.

Also, mollie, looking through it now.

[Tierce]

Oh, you sweet summer child.

[Alfred Borden]

Ok so here are all the finished games PeaceBringer's had since his return to the site: Wingate Mansion, La Isla de la Muerte, Antihero Mafia (cut very short due to thread implosion), Chef Mafia.

He was scum in two of them -- unfortunately, Antihero Mafia imploded way too quickly for the tell to be reliable. One thing I noticed is that he had an obscene amount of posts in Chef Mafia and I vaguely remember him being run up in that game as town + eventually being nightkilled (meaning he didn't replace out). Might be worth going back to his past to see if this was a problem then but I'm about to head to lunch and this might turn into a full on meta report so I want to do this when I'm more attentive.

[macmollie]

Ok so here are all the finished games PeaceBringer's had since his return to the site: Wingate Mansion, La Isla de la Muerte, Antihero Mafia (cut very short due to thread implosion), Chef Mafia.

He was scum in two of them -- unfortunately, Antihero Mafia imploded way too quickly for the tell to be reliable. One thing I noticed is that he had an obscene amount of posts in Chef Mafia and I vaguely remember him being run up in that game as town + eventually being nightkilled (meaning he didn't replace out). Might be worth going back to his past to see if this was a problem then but I'm about to head to lunch and this might turn into a full on meta report so I want to do this when I'm more attentive.

so he was scum in 2, town in 2, replaced out both times as scum

that isn't why I originally said his replace was weird ohso long ago tho

[Eddard Stark]

Day 2, Vc 10

Amrun (6) -

Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Nautilius, Shadoweh, Tammy, SafetyDance

ooba (1) -

quadz08

Nautilius (3) -

StupendousMan, Amrun, Messiah Complex

Zdenek (1) -

elleheathen

Messiah Complex (3) -

PrideandJoy, Cephrir, Benmage

Tierce (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

elleheathen (2) -

Goat on a Raft, AGar

AGar (1) -

The Alchemist

Not voting (5)

: Garuk Relentless, ooba, displaced, Tierce, macmollie

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 17th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-17 16:05:01)
  
• Alfred Borden is V/la. I am good mod for noticing V/la announcements.
  

Prodding kanyeknowsbest and Amrun.
Seeking a replacement for displaced.

[SafetyDance]

My point is that you don't get the luxury to sheep Tammy when you were Townreading Amrun Yesterday, not give any reasoning for this vote, and then stomp your foot at me when I was making a statement about Amrun's

null

reaction to Nautilius.

You had a null read on Tammy, a scumread on Alfred Borden, a Townread on Amrun, and end up sheeping Messieurs Borden and Tammy onto Amrun. WTF? I don't care about your little ego trip, if you're going to not play the game just get out. You were doing something Yesterday, but Today you are absolutely refusing to do anything worth reading. Get off that high horse and explain yourself.


Also

Llamarble

was being active. Since you apparently don't know their posting styles, I'm telling you that Llamarble has been posting, Empire was the one V/LA. Accept a reality that has no bearing in the game and

move on

.

...And not being "obvious Town" by your standard mean that I cannot explain how Garruk is obvious Town by my standard, from my point of view? Well done, excellent job there. Come now. Why would Garruk come into D2 defending me as they did from Tammy if they were scum? Why would they do that if they were my scumpartners? The logical following is that, if it does not make sense for them to do it as scum (which it does not, and you are free to argue with me on why it does make sense from your PoV since you are calling it "nonsense"), then we are both Town.

Not rocket surgery.

Whatever. I have better things to do than attempting to extract responses from someone who decides to not play the game. Just do everyone involved a favor and don't sign up for games if you're going to be all pouty that someone called you out on being useless. Self-fulfilling prophecies are nice like that.

!Syr, AGar a question for you. And me and my absolutely appalling puns will be over there. (>")>

My high horse? Smith, grant me strength. You are so fucking high up on your high horse you could steeplechase the damn Wall.

Petunia dear, I told everyone how I was voting in my first post. I quoted why I was voting when I voted. I re-quoted everything for you when you asked. It's there in black and white so for a rocket scientist I'm surprised - no, amazed -that you can't grasp it. Maybe you're acting like this because you're jealous I'm sheeping Tammy and not you. You're acting the exact same as she is/was. Oh fucking surprise, Tierce is throwing her body weight around trying to get someone else to leave. Sorry Petal, I'm not quitting on your whim and I'll let you in on a secret: if you keep trying to bully people to quit (you've tried it on Amrun) it loses its effectiveness. You're right I'm clearly not playing the game because I'm clearly not part of your elite circle, or not doing anything right by your stringent guidelines on how-town-must-play-every-game. But that is old news, Tammy already did all that. Thus why everything important today is in the hands of Tammy because she already stated all that my-way-is-the-right-way nonsense so her majesty of the Quill and Tankard has first dibs. You can fight her for it though.

Clearly, I thought I was attempting to engage today as well and reading but according to Tierce, obviously not. If I'm not doing that...then I might as not bother trying to do it as well. So if you want me to lurk AND just sheep Tammy, so be it. Which would be ironic because I would be just like you then. You coast along, rearing your head like a whale every now and then, keep admitting you need to catch up, haven't caught up, don't think anyone or anything is scummy, not even bothering to vote yourself....but you become more active when you need to patronise others or start having a strop over people not automatically town-reading you.

Frangipani, Messiah's read on Amrun has NOTHING to do with your statement in 2050and why I brought it up. You accused Amrun of using personal tragedy as an excuse for being

scum

. That is a big statement to make, regardless of her actual alignment. If you're going to make such a claim, then yes, Burden of Proof is on you and should have been offered straight up, not half a day later when prodded about it. As I already stated too, there's a world of difference between using that as an excuse/reason

as

scum opposed to

when

she was scum. You can interpret that completely differently.

The whole Garruk/Tierce wink-wink nudge-nudge exchange that I mentioned, means sweet fuck all to the rest of us. None of us can assume anything from it unless you explain it. Your whole defending-me-is-town argument? Ludicrous. You want damn logic:

Person X defending Person Y from Person Z does not equal Persons X + Y are town. Holy Frey pies, Batman! if that was the case everyone would be doing it and then it would be rendered null. Not to mention, the fact it is YOU championing this, who's not really subjective (because its a townread on you) is amazingly egotistical. You are not mod-confirmed, Garruk isn't mod-confirmed, none of you have even claimed so no, I'm not going to trust you just because Tammy was going to go all Alliser Thorne on your ass and your wight in shining armour came along to defuse the situation.

And seriously your egotistical, indignant condescension towards others no knows bounds. Just because YOU have spent

years

playing and interacting with many of the players here doesn't mean we all have, nor should we suddenly develop out of nowhere the ability to detect which tom or dick said what in a hydra. The V/LA message said SLOT, not head, and you brought it up and immediately they reared their head, which is why I thought it worthy of mentioning. I frankly couldn't give a fuck about different styles, I view a hydra as one person and I'm going to judge them as one. Judging them as two players is just giving them more power than they already have.

[Cephrir]

[AGar]

AGar, read Elle's 2057 and try to tell me she's scum again, please. Your vote is bad and it makes me sad.

I don't see much townpanging coming from that post.

Guys I want to point out that the Ooba wagon is stagnating / disappearing because Ooba has become a non-presence today. This is scummy all by itself. Please don't leave me dudes.

Everyone seems content to give him a free pass at this point. I still have him highest on my list, but realistically, generating some pressure elsewhere right now is more effective it seems. The only add-on to the points I laid out yesterday we've gotten is "He's disappeared and functionally gotten all of you to forget he exists," which we've pointed out and no one is seeing anything wrong with that.

!Syr, AGar a question for you. And me and my absolutely appalling puns will be over there. (>")>

Uh... I don't see a question?

[ooba]

Finished 45 pages... I feel fairly confident about this read to put this down...

Unvote. Vote: Messiah Complex

(a) Over-Justification for town reads
I really disliked his reasons for finding both SD and Amrun town today. "I wouldn't have sent fruit as a scum joat on N1" and "I wouldn't have used personal reasons to lurk as scum = hence Amrun town" are both weak as hell. Scum tend to over explain a read - while a town would just go with "gut"\"vibe" when they don't have a substantial reason.

This happened in D1 too with the Thor=town explanation. In fact, Thor commented on it too.

I'll actually slide Messiah into my slightly scum pile for it too, simply because I would expect Former to be a bit more inherently paranoid. This level of trust feels off.

(b) Voting
All people they gone after are in my town section - Cephir is a strong town read. Zednek is weaker town. And I've given temp passes to Garruk and SM. Nacho I'm not as sure as yesterday but still have em as town. Plus "Really don't like how you've had us in your potential scum pool all game but have made almost 0 effort to sort us." is a very weak jump.

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Peace is my other scum read.
- Peace's play felt odd initially but that sort of died out. The few posts before the replacement spiked my scumdar again.
- The replacement post is also odd.

Spoiler: Replacement post

We already have Mollie in this game...
Hint: it's not pro-town when she does it either.
Additional Hint: when a scumhunting "style" is described as "unexplainable" I always translate that to "illogical and should be ignored because they're making gak up and lack the grapefruits to just say so either to others, and possibly themselves."

Bullshit- crap like this is why I am a fish outta water here- sorry to flake but

REPLACE OUT

Here is the part from Thor's post that he had an issue with.

Spoiler: Thor's post

Thor- the tone is different then the completed town game

Can you link the completed town game for the lazy amongst us, and maybe explain the tonal difference?
I'm pretty sure I was in a game with him where he was town and I don't feel a difference yet, albeit I haven't seen much from him, but besides him acting polite (like Tierce is noting) I don't see anything really clicking as different to me. Help clue me in here, your case needs sheep, so you need to herd if you believe in it at all.

I do not do all the stuff folks here do.

I guage by reactions, tones and other elements that I will not explain

. Some I really cannot even fully put to words anyway as it is a general sense. Here, he comes off as forced. That is my reaction

We already have Mollie in this game...
Hint: it's not pro-town when she does it either.
Additional Hint: when a scumhunting "style" is described as "unexplainable" I always translate that to "illogical and should be ignored because they're making gak up and lack the grapefruits to just say so either to others, and possibly themselves."

However, he had already replied to the top part of the above Thor post a good 1 hour 15 min before his replacement.

Spoiler: Post just before replacement post

Can you link the completed town game for the lazy amongst us, and maybe explain the tonal difference?
I'm pretty sure I was in a game with him where he was town and I don't feel a difference yet, albeit I haven't seen much from him, but besides him acting polite (like Tierce is noting) I don't see anything really clicking as different to me. Help clue me in here, your case needs sheep, so you need to herd if you believe in it at all.

it is in his wiki, so no I am not going to link it. And no, I am not going to explain my thinking further.

I find it really hard to believe that he replied to the first part and somehow missed the second quote reply of Thor's to him - especially when it was bolded! Something in thread that makes you angry enough to replace out is an instantaneous reaction. The fact that he came back after an hour to replace out possibly points to the fact that it was faked.

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And I can see Messiah\Peace scumpairing since the tipping point for messiah's unvote off the SM wagon was Peace's fourth vote; Messiah finds the wagon scummy but Peace's replacement displaced does not get any questions\attention at all.

[ooba]

(a) Over-Justification for town reads

Better phrased as "Reading someone as townie when that level of trust isn't justified and trying to over explain the read when called out on it."

[ooba]

@Tammy, Syryana - Congrats!
@Empire - Congrats too!

Till I re-read the game, I actually thought the Tammy, Syryana wedding was an actual IRL one. Even during the re-read of the early game, I was like "I usually thought people were busier than this before weddings; she posts a lot and has time to teach?". Anyway, thought that was funny enough to share.

[PrideandJoy]

Ceph if you don't trust me why are you hopping on my messiah justice wagon

[Cephrir]

Because I wasn't just sheeping you

[flying beauties]

@Tammy, Syryana - Congrats!
@Empire - Congrats too!

Till I re-read the game, I actually thought the Tammy, Syryana wedding was an actual IRL one. Even during the re-read of the early game, I was like "I usually thought people were busier than this before weddings; she posts a lot and has time to teach?". Anyway, thought that was funny enough to share.

you are adorable.

so glad some1 else picked up on the weird replace out too wrt timing. I didn't know he had replaced out before as scum, interesting to find out tho.

in my notes I have "why is kanye staying away from him [peacebringer]?" but I can't remember what I was thinking at the time.

[macmollie]

@Tammy, Syryana - Congrats!
@Empire - Congrats too!

Till I re-read the game, I actually thought the Tammy, Syryana wedding was an actual IRL one. Even during the re-read of the early game, I was like "I usually thought people were busier than this before weddings; she posts a lot and has time to teach?". Anyway, thought that was funny enough to share.

you are adorable.

so glad some1 else picked up on the weird replace out too wrt timing. I didn't know he had replaced out before as scum, interesting to find out tho.

in my notes I have "why is kanye staying away from him [peacebringer]?" but I can't remember what I was thinking at the time.

[The Alchemist]

On a related note, why AGar?

Gut. And more recently, 2047.

[macmollie]

On a related note, why AGar?

Gut. And more recently, 2047.

what is it about that post that you did not like? the stickiness of his read on ooba or the elle vote?

VOTE: displaced

it would be a travesty to let that thing slide

[Tierce]

!Syr, AGar a question for you. And me and my absolutely appalling puns will be over there. (>")>

Uh... I don't see a question?

You missed my terrible pun, then. It was to not-Syr.