Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Kazekirimaru]

Describe "fish" to me as you're using it, please.

[fferyllt]

NotSci, when you're around, I'd really like to hear your thoughts.

[Bert]

Holy shit if kaze and Bert fish any harder then the fish are gonna go extinct.

AWWW I would like to eat some fish, cuz you know seafood is good for ya

so umm moral of the story is we should stop fishing??

LOVE, BERT

<3

[Bert]

@Bert - Why do you keep calling me a she? ._. Also, if you yourself have naught but a gut scum read on me, why are you pressing Sakura for having a null on me?

Sakura's read ain't null, it's "don't know," which is NOT null <33333

And DANG I keep getting gender wrong. I thought I got it wrong yesterday by calling you HE by accident, and now I just remembered it was Shadoweh in a recently completed game where that happened.

GRRRRRRRRRRR RAWR GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR <333

[Kazekirimaru]

How is null =/= don't know?

[Bert]

How is null =/= don't know?

My bad, didn't realize they're the same thing virtually. bah humbug!



YEAH YEAH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

His parents give him love and affection.........

keep him strong moving in the right direction
Living just enough..

JUST enough... for the CITAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY <3333333333

[notscience]

BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

Maybe agi is scum after all?

lol. Ffery you should chat with me about this.

Now, let's discuss the standings of this kill

1) People say this kill was probably due to a newbie- but wait! That's strange, wouldn't agi (EVEN IF HE WAS SCUM) still have someone coaching him?

2) Agi's some hardcore ML bait.

3) GM's kill didn't net us anyinfo on anyone's alignment. High-skill scumkill.

4) I don't remember what Kaze's positions on NKA were previously, I'll investigate this later.

[Cabd]

lol. Ffery you should chat with me about this.

You're wasting your time, you'll see.

[Kazekirimaru]

YEAH YEAH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

His parents give him love and affection.........

keep him strong moving in the right direction
Living just enough..

JUST enough... for the CITAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY <3333333333

You're a weird dude, Bert.


Anyway


I don't wish to rule out Agi for scum. Even though I feel as if he's been playing rather townish, he IS coasting. That's an indisputable fact. And scum come in pairs, so it's possible he's just getting carried.

Hell, if he is scum, that's his best option. He literally has no ties to anyone if they flip scum. He can just ride to LyLo, throw down a vote and oops, he's scum and wins.

[fferyllt]

BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

Maybe agi is scum after all?

lol. Ffery you should chat with me about this.

Now, let's discuss the standings of this kill

1) People say this kill was probably due to a newbie- but wait! That's strange, wouldn't agi (EVEN IF HE WAS SCUM) still have someone coaching him?

The idea was explored, but I think it's pretty much dismissed for now.

2) Agi's some hardcore ML bait.

Hence pretty much dismissed.

3) GM's kill didn't net us anyinfo on anyone's alignment. High-skill scumkill.

MS has a site meta of discouraging NKA. I kinda ignore that.

4) I don't remember what Kaze's positions on NKA were previously, I'll investigate this later.

I didn't notice any NKA comments in my recent meta dive, but it's not the sort of thing I look for in initial meta analysis. I'll take a look.

You think Kaze would come up with a "high-skill" kill?

[notscience]

Maybe.

I like Cabd better for it.

I agree about NKA, which is what's really bugging me about number 3. There isn't much at all there. This looks like removing someone who could be a threat but doesn't give alignment clues, or a PRhunt.

[agi102]

Why would I kill GM? She's not bothering me or anything... uh

What/who's NKA?

I am probably not going to be NK'd for not contributing very much. Yay.......................................................................... but then that would lead to people thinking I'm scum for not being Nk'd and for lurking, but what if the scum WANT me to be lynched because of that? Oh the chocolatey WIFOMness

Reads (I AM NEWB, SO THESE READS AREN'T GOOD. THEY BE MY FIRST EVER)
Town
agi
sakura for reasons to be withheld
Cabd
ns
bert ffery and kaze in no particular order
Null
NO SCUM READS SO FAR
Scum

[notscience]

NKA= night kill analysis

Wouldn't least town = scum agi?

[agi102]

They are null.

[notscience]

Agi, look at it this way.

If there are three statements and one is a lie, and you're confident statement A and B are truths, what does that make the last?

[Malakittens]

2.04

With 7 alive it's 4 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Cabd -
*Fferyllt -
*Bert -
*Kazekirimaru - Bert [1]
*agi102 -
*Sakura Hana -
*notscience -

Not voting: agi102, Fferyllt, notscience, Kazekirimaru, Sakura Hana, Cabd [6]

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-10-21 00:03:00)

Mod Notes:

I'm back <3!

[agi102]

First, that's irrelevant (or so I think, please explain if you think otherwise).

Second, I will doubt my confidence for a second and call Statement C either a lie (if I'm confident enough in my confidence) or a truth (if I manage to convince myself one of A and B being a lie will somehow lead to C being true), or I'm just overthinking this badly.

[Cabd]

What we're trying to say is... who do you think the other scum would be, given we know there's two?

[fferyllt]

agi102, having only town and null reads at this point in a game is not really something to worry about. It happens. Every game day is an opportunity for town players to refine their reads, and for scum players to pretend to do the same. And for town players to sort each other, and for scum players to pretend to do the same.

Reread, ask questions, follow up on stuff that you think sounds off. Those are the basic tools of scumhunting.

[agi102]

Ask questions?

Here's a good question for you: Are you scum?

No seriously though, i honestly don't know right now. I will try to make a conclusion on someone I think is scum, if I think ANYONE AT ALL is scum. I might tunnel.

[fferyllt]

Ask questions?

Here's a good question for you: Are you scum?

Heh.

No seriously though, i honestly don't know right now. I will try to make a conclusion on someone I think is scum, if I think ANYONE AT ALL is scum. I might tunnel.

This might be useful: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_At_Mafia

[fferyllt]

Also these:

Newbie Guide
Frequently Asked Questions
Commonly Used Abbreviations

GM may have posted them already.

[fferyllt]

Maybe.

I like Cabd better for it.

I agree about NKA, which is what's really bugging me about number 3. There isn't much at all there. This looks like removing someone who could be a threat but doesn't give alignment clues,

or a PRhunt

.

Are you positing that scum discounted her claim?

[Kazekirimaru]

Describe "fish" to me as you're using it, please.

Never mind context clues are tech

[Kazekirimaru]

Ask questions?

Here's a good question for you: Are you scum?

No seriously though, i honestly don't know right now. I will try to make a conclusion on someone I think is scum, if I think ANYONE AT ALL is scum. I might tunnel.

That's...comforting...?