NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

ffullisade · Post Post #6375 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:49 am

In post 6372, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6353, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6351, PeregrineV wrote:Hmmm, nice predicament here.
Reminds me of Cold war mafia
.

And this is a Saturday post, meaning this may be it until Monday.
How so?
Two things going on there.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3085757

One was that both teams killed ThAdmiral on night6. There was only two kills due to the vig.

The other was that the final Soviet mafia was BP, meaning scum couldn't kill him anyway.

My first question to everyone, do we think Marangal was a double kill, or a single kill?

And I haven't read yet, so if anyone's already stated it then TIA.

I'm still of the opinion that the teams were 4 blue 3 red.

mastin2 · Post Post #6376 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:52 am

One-Hundred-Eighty-First Votecount

:

(Second Votecount of Day Eight,

AKA, the "Later is really, REALLY late." votecount.

)

penguin_alien - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Nachomamma8 - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 2 (PeregrineV, ffullisade)

With

4

alive, it's

3

to lynch.

Day Eight's deadline is Thursday, October 8th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-10-24 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

penguin_alien

would be lynched.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 255, post 6352.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D8

Spoiler: Vote History D8

penguin_alien · Post Post #6377 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:00 am

In post 6374, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6373, penguin_alien wrote:At this point, I can't think of any role for blue scum that would balance red having three decent PRs with a fourth member. Maybe a JOAT with major powers, but it doesn't seem likely. If you think that's possible, we need to no-lynch. Otherwise I think it was a single kill. The Desperado shot on the other hand could be overlapping kills, as both teams would have motive to eliminate him, I suppose.
Or Bulba blocked the Blue kill. Given the resurgence of your interest in the roleblocker theory, I've kinda thought that's what happened.

That's quite a hole in your speculation.

I've considered whether Bulbazak blocked the blue scum quite a bit in this thread and concluded that if he blocked me it would have been Night Five with no missing kills, not Night Six. I'm not ignoring the possibility of the blue scum kill being blocked on Night Six; I was addressing PV's speculation that the scum may have overlapped on kills at some point.

I'd been talking about the vig/watcher/scum doc/failed Bulba kill kerfuffle ad nauseum. No one was paying it any attention before yesterday.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6378 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:01 am

In post 6377, penguin_alien wrote:
In post 6374, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6373, penguin_alien wrote:At this point, I can't think of any role for blue scum that would balance red having three decent PRs with a fourth member. Maybe a JOAT with major powers, but it doesn't seem likely. If you think that's possible, we need to no-lynch. Otherwise I think it was a single kill. The Desperado shot on the other hand could be overlapping kills, as both teams would have motive to eliminate him, I suppose.
Or Bulba blocked the Blue kill. Given the resurgence of your interest in the roleblocker theory, I've kinda thought that's what happened.

That's quite a hole in your speculation.
I've considered whether Bulbazak blocked the blue scum quite a bit in this thread and concluded that if he blocked me it would have been Night Five with no missing kills, not Night Six. I'm not ignoring the possibility of the blue scum kill being blocked on Night Six; I was addressing PV's speculation that the scum may have overlapped on kills at some point.

I'd been talking about the vig/watcher/scum doc/failed Bulba kill kerfuffle ad nauseum. No one was paying it any attention before yesterday.

I actually meant last night.

ffullisade · Post Post #6379 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:16 am

In post 6378, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6377, penguin_alien wrote:
In post 6374, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6373, penguin_alien wrote:At this point, I can't think of any role for blue scum that would balance red having three decent PRs with a fourth member. Maybe a JOAT with major powers, but it doesn't seem likely. If you think that's possible, we need to no-lynch. Otherwise I think it was a single kill. The Desperado shot on the other hand could be overlapping kills, as both teams would have motive to eliminate him, I suppose.
Or Bulba blocked the Blue kill. Given the resurgence of your interest in the roleblocker theory, I've kinda thought that's what happened.

That's quite a hole in your speculation.
I've considered whether Bulbazak blocked the blue scum quite a bit in this thread and concluded that if he blocked me it would have been Night Five with no missing kills, not Night Six. I'm not ignoring the possibility of the blue scum kill being blocked on Night Six; I was addressing PV's speculation that the scum may have overlapped on kills at some point.

I'd been talking about the vig/watcher/scum doc/failed Bulba kill kerfuffle ad nauseum. No one was paying it any attention before yesterday.
I actually meant last night.

I asked you how 3 red PRs and a goon would balance 2 blue PRs and 2 goons. You handwaved stuff about x-shots. What are you positing for the actual alignment now that we know for a fact that the red scum team had a roleblocker?

ffullisade · Post Post #6380 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:16 am

actual balance, not alignment.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6381 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:21 am

In post 6380, ffullisade wrote:actual balance, not alignment.

I haven;t dug through t much yet, but looking quickly:

Mastin wrote:
Parama, Sacrificial Lamb, killed N0.

roflcopter, Bacde's slot, stormed out during pregame.
Rondar, Kublai Khan's slot, collapsed from exhaustion D1.
Mac, thezmon's slot, retired after a massive headache D1.
ActionDan, Hanzo_5's slot, had a mental breakdown and was removed D1.
DLG, PeregrineV's slot, pacified by a heavenly voice and left the street D1.
Hanzo_5, ThAdmiral's slot, driven to insanity and vaguely left an heir D1.
Baby Spice, penguin_alien's slot, became frustrated and RAGE QUIT D1.
fuzzybutternut, Haylen's slot, yaddayadda bowed out and got a similar replacement D1.
16.
Oversoul
,
Town 2-shot Bulletproof
, Lynched Day One.
Majiffy, half of BeautyAndTheBeast, ejected from the game D1.
12.
Syryana
, Mr. Rogers the
Friendly Neighbor
, shot Night One.
11.
Red Ryu
,
Blue Mafia Ninja
, shot Night One.
1.
thezmon221
,
Blue Mafia Goon
, Lynched Day Two.
8.
EddieFenix
,
Town Rolecop
, shot Night Two.
10.
Thor665
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Two.
Om of the Nom, half of the hydra Om the Destroyer, dropped out D3.
15.
Slandaar
,
Vanilla Neighbor
, Lynched Day Three.
20.
Kublai Khan
,
Town Jailkeeper
, shot Night Three.
24.
ArcAngel9
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Three.
Bacde, Baezu's slot, BURNED Day Four.
17.
Seanald
,
Red Mafia Doctor-Neighbor
, Lynched Day Four.
6.
Nero Cain
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Four.
19.
Rena
(Haylen),
Town Watcher
, shot Night Four.
2.
CrashTextDummie
,
Blue Mafia Goon-Neighbor
, Lynched Day Five.
3.
Cephrir
,
Red Mafia Tracker
, shot Night Five.
7.
Baezu
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Five.
18.
ThAdmiral
,
3-shot Vigilante
, shot Night Five.
23.
Human Destroyer
,
Vanilla Townie
, Lynched Day Six.
13.
Desperado
,
Vanilla Neighbor
, shot Night Six.
Amethyst Kitty, hydra of MS Marangal and Malakittens, was retired D7; MS Marangal remained.
9.
Bulbazak
,
Red Mafia Roleblocker
, Lynched Day Seven.
21.
MS Marangal
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Seven.

Blue: Ninja-Goon-Goon
Red: Tracker-RB- Doc

Blue has a PR, Red has a Goon.

ffullisade · Post Post #6382 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:32 am

In post 6381, PeregrineV wrote:Blue: Ninja-Goon-Goon
Red: Tracker-RB- Doc

Blue has a PR, Red has a Goon.

You consider that balanced?

penguin_alien · Post Post #6383 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:44 am

PV, I know you were talking about last night; that's the first part of the paragraph. I'd also be surprised if you or ffullisade was red scum who felt most threatened by Ms Marangal. MM stopped engaging with ffullisade more or less after the replace-out. And I'd expect you to have killed me for floating the 'two red neighbors' theory.

What PR could pair with Ninja to balance that much red scum power?

UNVOTE: Nacho while we make sure a no-lynch isn't necessary.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6384 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:46 am

In post 6381, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6380, ffullisade wrote:actual balance, not alignment.
I haven;t dug through t much yet, but looking quickly:
Mastin wrote:
Parama, Sacrificial Lamb, killed N0.

roflcopter, Bacde's slot, stormed out during pregame.
Rondar, Kublai Khan's slot, collapsed from exhaustion D1.
Mac, thezmon's slot, retired after a massive headache D1.
ActionDan, Hanzo_5's slot, had a mental breakdown and was removed D1.
DLG, PeregrineV's slot, pacified by a heavenly voice and left the street D1.
Hanzo_5, ThAdmiral's slot, driven to insanity and vaguely left an heir D1.
Baby Spice, penguin_alien's slot, became frustrated and RAGE QUIT D1.
fuzzybutternut, Haylen's slot, yaddayadda bowed out and got a similar replacement D1.
16.
Oversoul
,
Town 2-shot Bulletproof
, Lynched Day One.
Majiffy, half of BeautyAndTheBeast, ejected from the game D1.
12.
Syryana
, Mr. Rogers the
Friendly Neighbor
, shot Night One.
11.
Red Ryu
,
Blue Mafia Ninja
, shot Night One.
1.
thezmon221
,
Blue Mafia Goon
, Lynched Day Two.
8.
EddieFenix
,
Town Rolecop
, shot Night Two.
10.
Thor665
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Two.
Om of the Nom, half of the hydra Om the Destroyer, dropped out D3.
15.
Slandaar
,
Vanilla Neighbor
, Lynched Day Three.
20.
Kublai Khan
,
Town Jailkeeper
, shot Night Three.
24.
ArcAngel9
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Three.
Bacde, Baezu's slot, BURNED Day Four.
17.
Seanald
,
Red Mafia Doctor-Neighbor
, Lynched Day Four.
6.
Nero Cain
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Four.
19.
Rena
(Haylen),
Town Watcher
, shot Night Four.
2.
CrashTextDummie
,
Blue Mafia Goon-Neighbor
, Lynched Day Five.
3.
Cephrir
,
Red Mafia Tracker
, shot Night Five.
7.
Baezu
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Five.
18.
ThAdmiral
,
3-shot Vigilante
, shot Night Five.
23.
Human Destroyer
,
Vanilla Townie
, Lynched Day Six.
13.
Desperado
,
Vanilla Neighbor
, shot Night Six.
Amethyst Kitty, hydra of MS Marangal and Malakittens, was retired D7; MS Marangal remained.
9.
Bulbazak
,
Red Mafia Roleblocker
, Lynched Day Seven.
21.
MS Marangal
,
Vanilla Townie
, shot Night Seven.
Blue: Ninja-Goon-Goon
Red: Tracker-RB- Doc

Blue has a PR, Red has a Goon.

In post 6382, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6381, PeregrineV wrote:Blue: Ninja-Goon-Goon
Red: Tracker-RB- Doc

Blue has a PR, Red has a Goon.
You consider that balanced?

Red is immune to the Rolecop and has a doc.
Blue is immune to red tracker and town watcher.

I guess part of it depends on the power of the blue PR.

What is your contention? Are you still thinking only a single scum left instead of 2 teams of 4?

PeregrineV · Post Post #6385 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:47 am

In post 6383, penguin_alien wrote:PV, I know you were talking about last night; that's the first part of the paragraph. I'd also be surprised if you or ffullisade was red scum who felt most threatened by Ms Marangal. MM stopped engaging with ffullisade more or less after the replace-out. And I'd expect you to have killed me for floating the 'two red neighbors' theory.

What PR could pair with Ninja to balance that much red scum power?

UNVOTE: Nacho while we make sure a no-lynch isn't necessary.

Blue BP. immune to vig, immune to Red kills. Second choice would be a JOAT of some sort, allowing for more blue flexibility.

fferyllt · Post Post #6386 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:47 am

I am still thinking one scum left. Blue scum.

ffullisade · Post Post #6387 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:49 am

In post 6386, fferyllt wrote:I am still thinking one scum left. Blue scum.

:/

ffullisade · Post Post #6388 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:50 am

I still think that Mara not getting hammered day 7 was indicative of singleton scum from both teams.

penguin_alien · Post Post #6389 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:54 am

Red scum has flexible BP-ness in the doc and can find town PRs/blue scum via tracker. JOAT is possible, and I agree that it might provide flexibility, but the neighborhoods mechanic seemed elegant, and if a JOAT was used to provide balance, that seems less so.

P-edit: that too. But I don't remember who was on that wagon.

ffullisade · Post Post #6390 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:35 am

Nacho and Mollie/me.

Here are the relevant vote counts.

In post 6000, mastin2 wrote:
One-Hundred-Sixty-Third Votecount
:

(First Votecount of Day Seven,
AKA, the "Not exactly much to list" votecount.
)

Amethyst Kitty - 1 (ffullisade)

Not Voting - 5 (Nachomamma8, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty)

With
6
alive, it's
4
to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7
Nachomamma8:
PeregrineV:
Bulbazak:
penguin_alien:
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty

Spoiler: Vote History D7
On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5996.

In post 6031, mastin2 wrote:
One-Hundred-Sixty-Fourth Votecount
:

(Second Votecount of Day Seven,
AKA, the "Decent pace!" votecount.
)

Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 5 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

With
6
alive, it's
4
to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (
ffullisade
,
Nachomamma8
)

Not Voting - 5 (
Nachomamma8
, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty,
ffullisade
)
Last votecount was page 241, post 6000.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7
Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty
PeregrineV:
Bulbazak:
penguin_alien:
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty->Unvote

Spoiler: Vote History D7
On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5996.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 00:24a,
ffullisade
Unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6005.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 03:27p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6025.

In post 6043, mastin2 wrote:Sent out pokes/prods to the half the game inactive.

One-Hundred-Sixty-Fifth Votecount
:

(Third Votecount of Day Seven,
AKA, the "Important-change-in-VC" votecount.
)

Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Nachomamma8, ffullisade)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty)

With
6
alive, it's
4
to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Nachomamma8,
ffullisade
)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty,
ffullisade
)
Last votecount was page 242, post 6031.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7
Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty
PeregrineV:
Bulbazak:
penguin_alien:
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty

Spoiler: Vote History D7
On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5996.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 00:24a,
ffullisade
Unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6005.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 03:27p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6025.
On Mon, Sep 9/16/13 @ 02:24p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6042.

In post 6054, mastin2 wrote:
One-Hundred-Sixty-Sixth Votecount
:

(Fourth Votecount of Day Seven,
AKA, the "Not copy-pasted from the last, but might as well be" votecount.
)

Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Nachomamma8, ffullisade)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty)

With
6
alive, it's
4
to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Nachomamma8, ffullisade)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty)
Last votecount was page 242, post 6043.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7
Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty
PeregrineV:
Bulbazak:
penguin_alien:
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty

Spoiler: Vote History D7
On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5996.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 00:24a,
ffullisade
Unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6005.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 03:27p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6025.
On Mon, Sep 9/16/13 @ 02:24p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6042.

In post 6080, mastin2 wrote:
One-Hundred-Sixty-Seventh Votecount
:

(Fifth Votecount of Day Seven,
AKA, the "Wha? New page? o_O /isimpressed" votecount.
)

Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 5 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

With
6
alive, it's
4
to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8,
ffullisade
)

Not Voting - 5 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty,
ffullisade
)
Last votecount was page 243, post 6054.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7
Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty
PeregrineV:
Bulbazak:
penguin_alien:
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote

Spoiler: Vote History D7
On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5996.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 00:24a,
ffullisade
Unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6005.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 03:27p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6025.
On Mon, Sep 9/16/13 @ 02:24p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6042.
On Tue, Sep 9/17/13 @ 00:18a,
ffullisade
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6068.

In post 6100, mastin2 wrote:
One-Hundred-Sixty-Eighth Votecount
:

(Sixth Votecount of Day Seven,
AKA, the "Replacement really, really needed" votecount.
)

penguin_alien - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Nachomamma8 - 1 (ffullisade)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty)

With
6
alive, it's
4
to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Amethyst Kitty - 0 (
Nachomamma8
)
penguin_alien - 1 (
Nachomamma8
)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (
ffullisade
)

Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, penguin_alien, Amethyst Kitty,
ffullisade
)
Last votecount was page 244, post 6080.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7
Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty->penguin_alien
PeregrineV:
Bulbazak:
penguin_alien:
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nachomamma8

Spoiler: Vote History D7
On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 5996.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 00:24a,
ffullisade
Unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6005.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 03:27p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6025.
On Mon, Sep 9/16/13 @ 02:24p,
ffullisade
Votes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6042.
On Tue, Sep 9/17/13 @ 00:18a,
ffullisade
unvotes
Amethyst Kitty
in post 6068.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 02:22a,
Nachomamma8
votes
penguin_alien
in post 6091.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 10:11a,
ffullisade
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 6093.

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penguin_alien · Post Post #6391 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:42 am

So that eliminates PV-Bulbazak as partners, yes? It also makes me think his musings about a fourth red scum are sincere rather than disingenuous.

ffullisade · Post Post #6392 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:58 am

How does it eliminate PV-Bulbazak as partners?

I don't think they are, but I don't see how this eliminates the possibility.

penguin_alien · Post Post #6393 (ISO) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:15 pm

In post 6392, ffullisade wrote:How does it eliminate PV-Bulbazak as partners?

I don't think they are, but I don't see how this eliminates the possibility.

In post 6388, ffullisade wrote:I still think that Mara not getting hammered day 7 was indicative of singleton scum from both teams.

They could have hammered; risky, yes; deadly, no.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6394 (ISO) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:07 pm

In post 6387, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6386, fferyllt wrote:I am still thinking one scum left. Blue scum.
:/

Then who is the blue scum, in your opinion?

In post 6388, ffullisade wrote:I still think that Mara not getting hammered day 7 was indicative of singleton scum from both teams.

Not sure what you mean here, but I'll go back and look at this timeframe.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6395 (ISO) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:09 pm

In post 6391, penguin_alien wrote:So that eliminates PV-Bulbazak as partners, yes? It also makes me think his musings about a fourth red scum are sincere rather than disingenuous.

Must have missed the posts that lead up to this one, but for now, are you in the 1-bluescum-left camp, or do you think 1 blue & 1 red?

ffullisade · Post Post #6396 (ISO) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:29 pm

In post 6394, PeregrineV wrote:Then who is the blue scum, in your opinion?

PA.

PeregrineV · Post Post #6397 (ISO) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:51 pm

In post 6396, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6394, PeregrineV wrote:Then who is the blue scum, in your opinion?
PA.

Have you posted your logical case for this yet? If so, what post #?

ffullisade · Post Post #6398 (ISO) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:53 pm

A good chunk of my day 7 posts were the process of working through who the final red and blue scum are. We lynched bulba. He was red roleblocker. PA was my choice for blue. Still is.

penguin_alien · Post Post #6399 (ISO) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:49 pm

^ Because Nacho has been calling you town? Look, my play makes zero sense as blue scum. Why would I want to encourage the town to continue lynching in the neighborhoods with Seanald if I had my only surviving scum partner in there? Why would I hesitate to lynch PV when his wagon was near a lynch when the only lynchable neighbors were PV and CTD? Why would I night kill ThAd or Baezu? (ThAd never indicated he'd shoot me, and if I were a lone scum I'd want the vig to thin out the numbers, and I was thinking Baezu was scummy, but why would I NK someone whose lynch I could push the next day? Frankly, if CTD and I were scum buddies alone on Days Four and Five, I'd expect him to blacklist me based on how my play would have screwed our team over.

ffullisade, what part of my case on Nacho do you disagree with? Why do you think I'm scum? Because I don't remember either of your heads really delving into this yesterday, which, Bulbazak was more important to help figure out if we had two or one red scum left, so I get that, but this is a new day.

This whole thing makes me feel like I'm back in NY 161, which I think everyone left but fferyllt was in: I get carried along to the end and used as the last mislynch bait, and it was the second most frustrating game I've played here. If Nacho's snowed you, fine, well-played to him, I'll continue to work on not being such good XyLo mislynch bait. But when we're talking about a 250+ page game that most everyone's been playing for five months now, I hate to see us lose it without the most rigorous effort possible.

PV, I'm in the 1 blue scum left camp, not the 2:1:1, for balance reasons and if there was a red scum left it would have been in his best interest to make an NK, and the odds of him picking the same NK are about 3/16, not factoring in that I'd expect such scum to overlap on you or ffullisade before overlapping on MM. Where are you currently on that? Who do you think is scum?