Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Andrius]

this has been stream-of-consciousness posting with Andrius

Cabd you still owe me your LoL IGN.

[Faster Than Light]

if we wanna clear the nacho/andy thing nacho has to hammer andy so we get another scum down

yeah andy

one of you is scum

but it takes a sacrifice

a sacrifice from andy

so you can die together with nacho

and not leave any emotional baggage behind

because it will break my heart to lynch nacho too

[Faster Than Light]

because either andy is scum or nacho


from just now's posts

andy looks town and nacho looks scum now


but i dont know who to believe ;-;

somebody.... help me believe!

[BROseidon]

Oh yes, that incredibly town-looking counterwagon...

Hey Wayne, I'm gonna be fairly absent until Thursday/Friday. I have some stuff I want to bounce off of you.

[Desperado]

Shit tier annie player, at your service.

I am above average tier annie player


I also play shaco


i am willing to get andy lynched because

1. he can crush scumz if town
2. he was sidetracking from the aj-scumwagon as scum
3. he cant read nacho ;-;


buttttt

if andy is town and nacho is town both die

if andy is scumz and nacho is town then good

if andy is town and nacho is scumz then good

mmm

but nacho reads andy as town

i read nacho as town

oh dear

as long as nacho gives the word to vote andy i will join wagon

but meanwhile lets wonder who is scum

this is what i meant

nacho counterwagon to ajscum is probably not scum but if scum can be determined by Andy's magic powers




actually

whoever was on the nacho wagon needs to be looked at ----> counterwagon to ajscum

I'm pretty sure it was the other way around, with AJ being the counterwagon to Nacho. Let's see:

Spoiler: Nacho and AJ wagons yesterday

Votecount 4.1

[4] Nachomamma8 (Trust Fund, zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath)
[2] Aj The Epic (waynegg, Nachomamma8)
[1] Antihero (notscience)
[1] Faster Than Light (Mac)

[6] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, Andrius, BROseidon, Desperado, Antihero, Faster Than Light)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

Votecount 4.2

[6] Nachomamma8 (Trust Fund, zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius, Mac)
[3] Aj The Epic (waynegg, Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light)
[1] Antihero (notscience)
[1] Faster Than Light (Desperado)

[3] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, BROseidon, Antihero)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

Votecount 4.4

[6] Nachomamma8 (zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius, Mac, waynegg)
[2] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light)
[1] Antihero (notscience)
[1] Faster Than Light (Desperado)

[4] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, BROseidon, Antihero, Trust Fund)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

TiphaineDeath was prodded.

Votecount 4.5

[5] Nachomamma8 (zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius, Mac)
[4] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light, Desperado, waynegg)
[1] Antihero (notscience)

[4] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, BROseidon, Antihero, Trust Fund)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

Antihero was prodded. (Mac and Trust Fund are V/LA)

Votecount 4.6

[7] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light, Desperado, waynegg, Mac, notscience, BROseidon)
[4] Nachomamma8 (zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius)

[3] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, Antihero, Trust Fund)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

Metal Sonic is V/LA
Aj The Epic and Desperado were prodded.

Votecount 4.7 (Final)

[8] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light, Desperado, waynegg, Mac, notscience, BROseidon, Trust Fund)

[4] Nachomamma8 (zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius)

[2] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, Antihero)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

A lynch has been reached! Scene coming when I've got the time to get it up but might not be for a few hours.

Yup, sure was. How does this effect your interpretation?

[Nachomamma8]

I was trying to crumb a strong town PR to bait an NK. Was a longshot, but still worth taking.

Especially when my strongest scumread is telling me to claim. I'm not just going to take orders from scum ^_^

Nacho. Checking out your new Avi... Did you lose a bet somewhere? Lol!

Andy. I have your usual affliction. Who the hell claimed madon?

I did!

i'm gonna continue to coast because i'm confirmed town

I laughed. Do tell me how exactly you intend to prove this.

Well I can't go about doing this until people actually start talking to me. What do you think AJ's role enabled?

2) I like how you decided to vote me as soon as I pointed out that your claim could be a gambit, and that we shouldn't treat you as conftown.

It seems like you're trying to posture for my townflip, BRO. Do you really think there's reasonable doubt that Venmar/Antihero is cop? Or did you think that Godfather was so someone else could get an innocent...?

If Desp and Nacho are both town, then scum are 100% conftowning Anti (including possibly anti)

It's hilarious you even attempt to bring up this scenario.

This is a Nacho that's content to go with popular wagons (like Mala and AJ and really Rach was a sacrificial lamb there).

I'm willing to go with popular wagons that are all apparently my buddies, which doesn't seem like a particularly horrible thing.

There's not even a modicum of passion here. He doesn't give a shit, and considering we're WINNING, that's really, really off. This is a Nacho that is using his reputation as almost a casual shield of arrogance.

Why is it off considering we're winning? I don't get apathetic when there's a CHALLENGE on my hands.
Here the challenge is lynch BRO then Desperado because the game got POE'd to shit. That doesn't seem like too much of a challenge.

Do I have 100% proof of what I just said? No, but I've also had a pretty good track record this game. Had you listened to me, we would of lynched Mala instead of Nick and be even closer to winning. In other words, this is a Nacho that's much lower key in the late game than he should be.

good track record doesn't mean you're correct about me

If for some unknown fucking reason Nacho is town and he's just deliberately being this lazy, first off, really dude? "I'm obvtown so I'm going to coast?" Fucking REALLY?

I continue not to coast. I continue to do just as much as everyone else except I lack formal cases. I currently don't like that BRO is pushing on ANTIHERO after he claimed cop because he's not "100%" confirmed; it reeks of him trying to outmaneuver the townflips of the few mislynches he has room to get and break into the confirmed town block. I didn't like BRO's "oh I'm totally not going to claim because a scumread asked me to and I thought I could draw an NK": that is complete 100% bullshit; scum wasn't going to kill outside of that pool of 95-100% town and everyone knows it. Do you want me to make cases on how you're town? How Waynegg is town not only by being town as fuck by play but by having a two-shot Vig (and knowing his second shot got whiffed on a bulletproof who FLIPPED BULLETPROOF)? How Varsoon is town for his "gambit" on me actually making a modicrum of sense as well as the posts he's pulled off with all the same genuine crazy flair we've consistently seen in the past and all know is obviously coming from town? Or maybe how TD and Mac are probably town because there are innocents on them and there's a claimed godfather? I think I'm missing a passionate case for NS being confirmed town, but his name on green makes that one self explanatory. That means there are 12 alive. Andrius is claiming a role that says "I CAN CONFIRM SOMEONE AS TOWN IF YOU LYNCH ME", which is something no scum ever said in his situation. That leaves TF/BRO/Desperado. With 7 confirmed town (FULLY CONFIRMED TOWN) and 5 not confirmed town, town can lynch every single one of the unconfirmed pool and be absolutely fucking fine. I lean town on TF because he seems to realize this and I'm not afraid of anyone squirming out of shit now that the SCUM TRAITOR GODFATHER ENABLER WHO OBVIOUSLY ENABLES ALL OF THIS HORRIBLY BROKEN SCUM POWER ROLES is dead. And yes, the scumteam being composed mainly of PRs makes me more likely town and a bad lynch. But I'm not a 100% confirm like the majority of the game, I fully acknowledge. Why can't you see that I have absolutely nowhere to run as scum? And why can't you see BRO AFRAID TO CLAIM/throwing dirt on confirmed power roles when he damn well knows better? He actually said the words "If Nacho/Desperado flip town." As town in that position, can you see yourself saying the same thing? Hell. Fucking. No. The only way town can win this game is if they stay within the lines and don't lynch confirmed town. I'm hauling as much ass as I can to keep you fucks on the right track, but honestly, it shouldn't take much.

So yes I am coasting but why the hell wouldn't I be?

If it's only a soft-reset, which parts are you reseting less/not at all?

THIS QUESTION HAS ZERO PURPOSE
If you want to improve your experiences with him, save it for the postgame.

[BROseidon]

Reasonable doubt that Venmar/Anti is town because the only townie thing about the slot is the claim.

And last I checked Godfathers don't necessitate the presence of a cop. Weren't you in that AP game with 2 millers and no cop?

[Nachomamma8]

And last I checked Godfathers don't necessitate the presence of a cop. Weren't you in that AP game with 2 millers and no cop?

millers doesn't mean cops
godfathers usually do
there's also the whole mod meta thing where AP fucking loves millers
bork doesn't love godfathers
nice try though!

[Nachomamma8]

Reasonable doubt that Venmar/Anti is town because the only townie thing about the slot is the claim.

what's scum about them? the PGO claim to prevent them from being targetted?
venmar pushing on td then later calling him town?
venmar pushing on mac then later calling him town?
mastin's strong cop read on the slot?
the inquisitor claim which happens to fit pretty solidly within the setup?

choose one!

[BROseidon]

Oh yes, that mod meta that I'm so familiar with with my excellent range of experiences and modding

pedit: What's scum is how they've engaged with the game outside of the claims. I already had a spat with Venmar about this, and Anti's just coasted except when I called out the possibility of a gambit.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh yes, that mod meta that I'm so familiar with with my excellent range of experiences and modding

you're familiar now!
i'd also like to point out that this "gambit" would require venmar faking cop from the beginning with the knowledge that there wasn't a real cop in the game and that their traitor was a godfather (which they probably had no way of knowing in the beginning!) and for bork to put a traitor godfather in the game for actually no reason.

[Nachomamma8]

What's scum is how they've engaged with the game outside of the claims. I already had a spat with Venmar about this, and Anti's just coasted except when I called out the possibility of a gambit.

venmar played weird but that was due to him being dumb about rach and cop things
"coasting" is nowhere close to a real reason to throw doubt on a claim like anti's

[BROseidon]

Deciding to run a cop-crumb gambit wouldn't require knowledge of the godfather.

And I'm not even considering lynching Anti until you and Desp are gone.

[Nachomamma8]

why anti over trust fund?

[Nachomamma8]

it doesn't require it but i'm pointing out how obscenely lucky anti would have to be to pull this off
your suspicion of him is approx. 1000% bullshit

[Antihero]

What's scum is how they've engaged with the game outside of the claims. I already had a spat with Venmar about this, and Anti's just coasted except when I called out the possibility of a gambit.

coasting? for someone who replaced into a 170 page game?

[Nachomamma8]

your explanation is taking unnaturally long, BRO.

[Antihero]

Reasonable doubt that Venmar/Anti is town because the only townie thing about the slot is the claim.

what's scum about them? the PGO claim to prevent them from being targetted?
venmar pushing on td then later calling him town?
venmar pushing on mac then later calling him town?
mastin's strong cop read on the slot?
the inquisitor claim which happens to fit pretty solidly within the setup?

choose one!

nacho, you're the only one in this game using one fucking iota of common sense

if you're scum i don't know what i'm going to do... besides...

cry...

[BROseidon]

I'm multitasking this with a report I have due in an hour and a half.

And Anti and TF both come into consideration at the same time. I don't think TF should be lynched before you and Desp

[Nachomamma8]

And Anti and TF both come into consideration at the same time.

[Nachomamma8]

cabd what do you think of that statement?
just curious

[TiphaineDeath]

i'm the emp cain. I'm a vt.

[Antihero]

wait a minute...

why are we lynching BROseidon before Desperado?

[Trust Fund]

One steaming pile of day one VCA is coming up.

[Andrius]

One steaming pile of day one VCA is coming up.

spoilers:
RM is scum
Andy was counterwagon

but don't let that taint my read though
I mean the town's superior play definitely led to a scum/scum d1 lynch so
let's get to it boys


and someone mentioned it
no I wont like, lie about it- I haven't been voting/on a lynch since d1
was there for nick but unvoted before the lynch b/c I liked his reaction
I just didn't want to be part of the mala lynch because well, mala and the ate was strong

"Then Maedhros alone stood aside,"