A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tierce]

Tierce why aren't you voting Amrun?

Because I think her behavior is mindboggingly irritating, but null.

[quadz08]

"I expected you to have a solid townread on me now" was directed at Shadoweh.
The rest was more directed to the general populace.

I appreciate your honesty, but in that case I think it's still scummy, as it was the "I need to TOWN DOUBLEEXTRAHARD" bit that bugged me in the first place. (After thinking about it, it probably would have been scummy regardless of your answer to my question, so.)

[Messiah Complex]

You are saying he would not use his fruit N1 because town wouldn't use their fruit N1. You are literally saying "he is town for making a suboptimal town play, because scum would make the optimal town play." Do you not see where the logic falls apart?

Yes, that is literally what I am saying. There is more town motivation to using the fruit N1 than scum. What aren't you getting about this?

I think you're town now.
I was sort of hoping we could Walking Dead this game and keeping you in the pool was my hint to you. I know that people can be lurky as town though, so I've just been waiting for you to be cool and town it up for me.

Amrun is scum because she's lurking like hell and doesn't know why I find that suspicious.

I think Walking Dead was a unique situation that isn't likely to replicate itself--if you look back our D1 townblock is almost entirely the group of people that were most active during the 4 hour D1--maybe it was just circumstances or coincidence, but the town was really, REALLY ready to start playing that game and all of the scum got left out completely (sans Thor). I don't see that sort of situation happening here, do you?

Personally I appreciate humongous note dumps. Just make it better than Messiah's if you're going to do that.

Keep beating that drum.

@ Ooba: How is you scumreading me for "overjustifying a townread" where a town would just say "gut/vibe" any different from what you're accusing me of? We are both re-purposing a subjective conclusion (Town/Scum would/wouldn't do X) in order to produce an objective determination in pursuit of read clarity. Are you basically saying that it's scummy that I have townreads?

Unvote
Vote: Displaced

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

Er,

Vote: Spyrex

[quadz08]

You are saying he would not use his fruit N1 because town wouldn't use their fruit N1. You are literally saying "he is town for making a suboptimal town play, because scum would make the optimal town play." Do you not see where the logic falls apart?

Yes, that is literally what I am saying. There is more town motivation to using the fruit N1 than scum. What aren't you getting about this?

Can someone else help me out here? Is my point difficult to understand, or incorrect? Clearly Desp and I aren't seeing eye-to-eye on this, and I am completely at a loss on how to make him understand my point.

[PrideandJoy]

whats this about SD's night 1 action?

[quadz08]

yes

[Messiah Complex]

You are saying he would not use his fruit N1 because town wouldn't use their fruit N1. You are literally saying "he is town for making a suboptimal town play, because scum would make the optimal town play." Do you not see where the logic falls apart?

Yes, that is literally what I am saying. There is more town motivation to using the fruit N1 than scum. What aren't you getting about this?

Can someone else help me out here? Is my point difficult to understand, or incorrect? Clearly Desp and I aren't seeing eye-to-eye on this, and I am completely at a loss on how to make him understand my point.

Let me try again. I think town JOAT would be more likely to hang on to their investigative 1-Shots for when they have more information, whereas scum have incentive to use those abilities early (especially SD's track/roleblock combo) while they're a) still alive and b) have the most opportunity to hit town PRs. In addition to this, SD sending his fruit to us specifically read,

to me

, like a giant "I'M TOWN" sign. Taken together, I concluded that SD is more likely to be a town JOAT than a scum JOAT and don't want to lynch him anymore.

- Des

[PrideandJoy]

no as in literally waht was the claimed action and target etc

we arent reading thread

[Messiah Complex]

SD used his one shot fruit vendor ability to send us a rabbit.

[quadz08]

Ok, I understand your reasoning there a little better with the additional explanation on the other actions in his kit. I disagree with it still, as SD was far from a prime target on D1, so I feel that his scumpartners are likely to have talked him down from using his track/roleblock immediately (and he may have just not been that worried about it himself) if they felt using the fruitvend first was the optimal town play (as you state it is). Tracks and roleblocks are more useful lategame for scum, just as they are for town; they have more information about town PRs and who to use limited-shot roles on, etc.

[Cephrir]

Honestly with SD under so much fire yesterday I think tracking someone was just strictly correct and should have happened regardless of anything

[Nautilius]

I think Walking Dead was a unique situation that isn't likely to replicate itself--if you look back our D1 townblock is almost entirely the group of people that were most active during the 4 hour D1--maybe it was just circumstances or coincidence, but the town was really, REALLY ready to start playing that game and all of the scum got left out completely (sans Thor). I don't see that sort of situation happening here, do you?

No, hence why I backed off a bit.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 2, Vc 12

Amrun (6) -

Zdenek, Alfred Borden, Nautilius, Shadoweh, Tammy, SafetyDance

ooba (1) -

quadz08

Nautilius (2) -

StupendousMan, Amrun

Zdenek (1) -

elleheathen

Messiah Complex (4) -

PrideandJoy, Cephrir, Benmage, ooba

elleheathen (2) -

Goat on a Raft, AGar

AGar (1) -

The Alchemist

SpyreX (1) -

macmollie, Messiah Complex

Not voting (3)

: Garuk Relentless, SpyreX, Tierce, kanyeknowsbest

With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 17th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-17 16:05:01)
  
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Prodding Goat on a Raft

[Goat on a Raft]

Prod received; this evening is set aside for mafia so you'll be hearing from this head shortly.

[Garruk Relentless]

"Anonymous" "Quotes" from "Anonymous" people(disclaimer: paraphrased).

I'm on the side of the fact that literally everyone is only involved with themselves makes me very bored.

[Benmage]

This game doesn't not have enough bodies for nearing 90 pages.

*yawn* (insert zzzz's here for benmage guide..

hi faraday

... kill someone please)

[Benmage]

^Err one too many negatives.

[macmollie]

I think Walking Dead was a unique situation that isn't likely to replicate itself--if you look back our D1 townblock is almost entirely the group of people that were most active during the 4 hour D1--maybe it was just circumstances or coincidence, but the town was really, REALLY ready to start playing that game and all of the scum got left out completely (sans Thor). I don't see that sort of situation happening here, do you?

see I hate this. the walking dead was not unique, in fact it is my favourite way to play. on the site that fery and I come from it is pretty much standard practice and I was surprised that it was not used on here. fery is better at explaining things that I am plus she is more persuasive. nacho gets it too cos he has seen how it works but the vets don't seem to be open to it so it is hard to get them on board (I tried in red wedding and no, it didn't work) and if nacho would have gone that route I would have supported him cos he is a better orator than I am although I have been able to do it micros and some minithemes, depends on the playerlist.

we could still do it, it starts with 3 and if he is still townreading you we could try. tammy might be open, mebbe tierce.

mac is still struggling with internet issues and when he was catching up last night he said he felt like he was in over his head so I may ask faraday if I can bring in another hydra partner.

@ naut

I am starting to get cranky and suspicious that you are not working with me on hammering out reads. do it w/o elle plz lets just start.

[macmollie]

question for tammy

did syrlacious imply in your qt that he was going to disappear? cos the alchemist said that the disappearance was role-related and I am wondering why you haven't commented on it much.

[Alfred Borden]

so he was scum in 2, town in 2, replaced out both times as scum

that isn't why I originally said his replace was weird ohso long ago tho

He didn't replace out in the second game so there isn't enough data here to really make that a viable tell. And personally, I didn't feel his replace out was weird at all until Shadoweh brought up that theory (also, ooba makes a good point in his #2090 about his protracted reaction).

Gut. And more recently, 2047.

Well when Llamarble and I last talked, we both liked Andy's replace out / AGar's entrance into the thread, particularly the energy of the latter but I feel like there's been somewhat of a fade into complacency that really bothers (2047 is an example of this + the whole post is just fucking awful generally). We haven't had a chance to talk since I came back though so I'm hoping we can do it really soon to hash out where we are.

SpyreX replaces displaced! Welcome him to the game

Man, I really want to be super amped here but the truth is I just feel like this game got way harder.

[StupendousMan]

These next few days are insanely busy, so I'll be having LA until Sunday.

[Zdenek]

You can see my thought process throughout the past two pages. "research" I guess is a bit of a misnomer.

I don't understand your thought process. Can you explain?

I know what it's like to be totally bogged down by too many games and too many real life responsibilities, and I never ever ever would have considered using them as an excuse as scum. I presume you have some statistical evidence that proves I'm wrong about this, yeah?

Hasn't this already been explained clearly enough?

I thought I kind of explained to goat people why I voted them in #1978; it was their vote on elle. are you wanting to know why I am them as town for now? it is cos of the emotional internal consistency in their responses. I think they are wrong about that post and I am struggling to see how on earth they are seeing that that post implies that elle knew thor's alignment ahead of time. I don't like their post #2012 to quadz where he says he thinks that naut's post #1956 felt exaggerated and thought it might be due to nacho feeling "less likely to be townread this game". like that is so divorced from d1 reality it is not even funny. so they have been moved to null but treating as town for now to see where it goes.

Okay.

Still pretty sure Alchemist is Syryana, but whatever, he's hard lurking so there's that. I'm hoping for an alt slip to confirm it.

Why?

[Garruk Relentless]

K I thought that he was a "replaceable townie" who got daykilled. I then realized(post 2003) that TheAlchemist was a game-related alt, so I retraced it to mean Syryana's some sort of commuter that swaps bodies OR that he was killed by some faction and they have replaced him with TheAlchemist. In both cases, he's pretty clearly related to a Faceless Man.

I hope for the alt slip because then I know who I'm dealing with. If it's Syryana, it's probable Alchemist is a townie. If it's a player who's not in this game, then we gotta use standard methods of scumhunting. If it's a player in this game, we lynch the fucker.

[Shadoweh]

Tierce why aren't you voting Amrun?

Because I think her behavior is mindboggingly irritating, but null.

But the entire argument you're having with SafetyDance is about how it isn't null behaviour. :s I just want you to guide me to the scum lynching promised land Tierce!

He didn't replace out in the second game so there isn't enough data here to really make that a viable tell. And personally, I didn't feel his replace out was weird at all until Shadoweh brought up that theory (also, ooba makes a good point in his #2090 about his protracted reaction).

I really wanted to bring it up earlier but the game wasn't over yet. >_> Keep in mind when he replaced out to your head it would be similar to what he did as a 'confirmed town mason'. It's not I HAVE YOU NOW level but it's weird enough to poke.

Serious question for people: Is kayneknowsbest's active lurking not scummy to anyone? We've been beating up on lurkers, Amrun, displaced/Spyrex before he's posted (?) but kayne is getting some serious ignore time here. I know he posts small alot but in Mafiastuck he was really active like he was at the beginning and never stopped. Kayne can you please stop it and go back to Day 1 when you were pushing your reads? What do you think about Zdenek ignoring you today?

I fell asleep mid-post so I'm not sure where I was going with some of this >_> OH WELL