Hi guys, I'm here now. I am actually not much one for being in games from the start (I prefer to replace in or have replace-in style situations, like waking up to find a game has started and has 5+ pages). That and a reroll and such, it's really a pain in the ass for me because I have a difficult time finding momentum. That said, my vote on RMarie
is
a serious vote. Singer seems to see it too, but I'll just get into why a bit later. This post will be a tad bit stream of consciousness. And I'm not in the mood to edit it after I've written things.
First:
The two reasons behind arcangel's vote for me are "defending guyett's vote" and "not being the same as last game." I've partially answered the second one, but I'll say it a bit differently here.
It is not the same game.
I will not play the same every damn game I'm in. I'm not a machine that constantly spews towniness out of its mechanical depository units. I'm a person, I have moods, I change how I play based on the situations I'm in, etc, etc.
Last game, I had replaced into the following situation: I was cop. I had the guy I replaced
claim cop in the first two pages of the game
. My role was heavily suspect and only given leave to live because of the cop claim. I had to come in,
discredit the claim
and still find a way to make sure that you guys would listen to what I had to say instead of just stringing me up. The best way to do that is to counteract proper play as cop and make myself the most aggressive, dominating, and guiding force in the game. Why? Because being the strongest voice makes getting people to ignore discrediting a predecessor easier. It relieves the suspicions on the slot.
Can you honestly say that everyone in this game is playing the same as last game? No. How can I say no so confidently? I see disparate posting styles from Regals (was a replacement last game - partial reason), ChaosOmega (was a replacement in the hot seat last game - partial reason), and RMarie (is busy now and was a replacement last game - partial reason).
The only reason you guys can find it simple to look at me is that I was
one of, if not the most, actively aggressive / present players in the game
.
Now, moving on to the other part:
I said explicitly that I
find guyett townish for his vote
. I'm not going to back down from this. Arcangel's reasoning here is basically a disagreement in the value of a pressure vote early on in the game.
Pressure = activity = discussion = furthering the game out of the random voting stage = promoting the finding of scum = winning the game. This is my logic.
Arcangel's logic as I see it is this: Pressure = just voting = not going to comment = reducing discussion levels by using it as an excuse to lurk = not furthering the game = deterring scumhunting = losing the game.
It's a disagreement where arcangel is on the moon from my point of view, but that's really a pure theory based argument which has no merit in terms of figuring out alignment. Potato potahto tomato tomahto
This ends the defense portion of my post. If you were looking for me talking about things other than defending myself and are too lazy to read the whole post, the rest of this is for you. There is no tl;dr because I am a snowman. Suck my tophat.
First, I'm going to go into things that bother me about RMarie:
The most obvious reason (one that singer has pointed out previously) is her consistent asking for people to be more active. She's taking the time to tell people to do more when she could alternatively take that time to instead...
actually do more
. She's avoiding providing content by telling people to provide content. There's some limitations to time based on being busy, but if you've got time to read the thread and make a series of posts about the lack of activity, then you have time to actually be active instead of active lurking.
This post is actually very uninformative. She goes from asking cats his opinion to giving what is literally the most uninformative opinion I have ever seen to making a flimsy-weak-at-the-knees-blows-over-when-a-kitten-farts excuse to read arc as slightly town. The uninformative opinion, if you don't see it, is "[M]y thoughts on this is that we are now out of RVS since we have a major wagon going." She has said "the rvs is over" - about as insightful as saying the sky is blue.
RMarie has spent the majority of her posts bemoaning the activity level, explaining her lack of activity, or asking people a list of questions without actually saying
anything
of her own opinion(s).
There's also a pretty stark contrast between what RMarie
says is arcangel's meta and the
reason she finds arcangel town. Arcangel is feisty and volatile is town and logical and less volatile as scum she says, arcangel is town because she's being logical and not volatile she says.
I'd also like to say that I take offense to this whole "unwilling to accept mistakes" thing. This game, I haven't really posted enough to make mistakes that I'd need to admit to having done.
RMarie's last post in this thread is severely hypocritical. She calls IV out for not providing substance when she hasn't actually given any of us a single straight opinion on anybody in this game except for the
slight
town read on arcangel (with reasoning that means she should read arcangel as scum instead). This is literally all of the substance she's really provided about her thoughts.
RMarie has devoted the majority of her time this game actively avoiding actually laying down her own opinion when she has clearly displayed enough time to do so. The only limiting factor in providing her opinions is her desire: she clearly is more invested in avoiding laying herself on the line to actually say who she thinks is scum or even just scummy than in finding scum. Ergo, she is scum.
The whole running odds for being scum thing is just pointless. Both sides are silly. RMarie is silly for bringing it up, the rest of you are silly for trying to harp on it as some great tell regarding her alignment. It's not. Just stop.
