Micro 242: Les Miserables Mafia (Game Over)

[Maemuki]

First off, I think that one of {Mhork, funky} is scum. I am leaning towards Mhork, though, and here's why:

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Right. But Mae is the pinnacle of towniness and good feels, right?

This is a bad argument. You're not actually refuting anything that Mastin is saying, you're just redirecting (or attempting to, anyway) his suspicion. On my own experience, people usually only do that when they don't actually have anything to say.

Do you literally have no other reads other than myself? It's awfully easy attacking someone who you can assume that won't answer, especially if you've checked their activity elsewhere. Out of your 20 most recent posts, 14 are about me. There is literally nothing else in them other than 'prove she's town', 'where is she', etc, etc. I think it's more likely for scum to stay hung up on what can be seen as an easy mislynch (because a lurker is an easy lynch, no matter what, especially on this case, since you have literally nothing else to hold against me other than my inactivity).
Now, you can think 'why Mhork? Why not Grimgroove, or elle?' Because I know their reads other than myself, especially Grimgroove. Mhork has nothing recent.
Let me put my money where my mouth is.

VOTE: Lord Mhork

Just so you guys don't say I'm tunnelvisioning (which would be a valid argument), here are my thoughts on the rest of the people in the game:

Malakittens, tbh, I don't remember any of your posts except the very last one? I've checked his ISO, and tbh, I have a bit of a null-town read on him because he does bring up some good points.
Mastin. Oh, Mastin. I don't know if you're scum buddying or not, but I really hope not, because you're pretty much the strongest town read I have. You bring up very good points so far -
Grimgroove, I like your posts. Or better yet, I like how you make your posts, but I'm not so sure of your reads
bv, I also had to go and check your posts, but I don't really have any feelings on you.
shos is...weird. Very weird. And by weird I mean he seems incredibly wishy-washy. Behold:

well it's a good time to VOTE: Maemuki. This is an L-1 vote, lawl, had to say it

(etc.) ^^^blending in the crowd. has it not been repeated a dozen times now? gg LITERALLY quoted the entire ISO earlier and did it better.

the reason to not hammer is that by your post, you're policy lynching.

(etc.) Having seen these last 8 pages of content, don't you think it is time to let go of this? I mean, what can mhork possibly say that would help you? you're moving astray again, and this will only promote your lynch.

VOTE: funky mae's posting giving me gut feeling that I'm doing something wrong. better safe than sorry.

This whole progression is extremely weird. In the span of one page, you have literally held every single postion on my lynch, from 'lol L-1' to 'nah maybe not'. Would you care to explain?

Funky, I don't like your posts much either tbh. But! As I said earlier, I think that you're still the towniest one of the pair.
Elle, I'm on the odd situation where I simultaneously think you're town and maybe Mhork's partner. I'll think about this properly later, I'm pretty tired of looking through ISOs.

Short version for people on the go:
Mhork is scum. If Mhork is scum, then Elle has a big chance of being scum too, but she's town if he's not. Shos doesn't seem too good, mostly because he seems wishy-washy.
Mastin and Grimgroove read town. Funky is weird - on one hand he's scummy, but I'm almost 100% sure that he isn't scum with Mhork.
I have no clue about bv or Malakittens (Mala does seem closer to town than bv, though).

I might have forgotten something or someone (or left a sentence unfinished), and if I have, do let me know! I'm kind of tired of looking through this game.

You can now continue with your regularly scheduled lynching. (b'-')b

[shos]

I have no time to make a long comment, so in short: you only started posting well in the last while, and when you did, in combination with funky's overscumminess, I'm much more sure of funkyscum than you.

[Grimgroove]

Do you literally have no other reads other than myself? It's awfully easy attacking someone who you can assume that won't answer, especially if you've checked their activity elsewhere. Out of your 20 most recent posts, 14 are about me. There is literally nothing else in them other than 'prove she's town', 'where is she', etc, etc. I think it's more likely for scum to stay hung up on what can be seen as an easy mislynch (because a lurker is an easy lynch, no matter what, especially on this case, since you have literally nothing else to hold against me other than my inactivity).

You do realize that before this post, the same can be said about you right? You had only 1 arument against 1 person to show for your game.

About your readslist on others besides Mhork:

Malakittens, tbh, I don't remember any of your posts except the very last one? I've checked his ISO, and tbh, I have a bit of a null-town read on him because he does bring up some good points.
Mastin. Oh, Mastin. I don't know if you're scum buddying or not, but I really hope not, because you're pretty much the strongest town read I have. You bring up very good points so far -
Grimgroove, I like your posts. Or better yet, I like how you make your posts, but I'm not so sure of your reads
bv, I also had to go and check your posts, but I don't really have any feelings on you.
shos is...weird. Very weird. And by weird I mean he seems incredibly wishy-washy. This whole progression is extremely weird. In the span of one page, you have literally held every single postion on my lynch, from 'lol L-1' to 'nah maybe not'. Would you care to explain?
Funky, I don't like your posts much either tbh.

But! As I said earlier, I think that you're still the towniest one of the pair.

Elle, I'm on the odd situation where I simultaneously think you're town and maybe Mhork's partner. I'll think about this properly later, I'm pretty tired of looking through ISOs.

1. There are no scumreads inthere.
2. Most of the reads are not reads, but about how certain people made good points (scum can make good points), and about how others don't.
3. I especially don't like the read on Funky, which I bolded. Sounds like bartering. and an effort to antagonize Funky against Mhork somehow. In any case I find the bolded to have a very unnatural tone to it, especially when you see that just before it MAemuki says that she doesn't like his posts. Very appeasing. Doesn't add up.

I'm moving my vote back onto Maemuki, putting her on L-2.

VOTE: Maemuki

[Lord Mhork]

Are you blind, Mae?

For what it's worth, I'm null/town on Malakittens for that early funky attack, nullish/sorta town on elle for general feel, but I don't trust that, and null/townish on Kazekirasomethingorother but that's a really weak guttish thing based on his whole 'Morton's Fork' discussion and general attacks on funky. I'm actually feeling null/scum on Maemuki because fluffity fluff fluff and the fact that she didn't attack my following funky onto shos and scum on funky (obviously).

[Totally gonna go off topic and answer bv: 25th Anniversary Les Mis can go die in a hole. 1988 Symphonic Recording is where it's at. Phillip Quast = GREATEST JAVERT EVER. I did enjoy the 25th Anniversary Phantom, though, as much as I can enjoy Phantom of the Opera.]

I really want to lean town on bv but I just can't due to lack of evidence and all that. Please post more so I can think you're town, bv! And of course I'm solid null on Grimgroove and I think he should be prodded with a big heavy stick. Maybe a truncheon.

Malakitty, I'm interested in this back and forth you were talking about in 27 with funky as soon as your V/LA ends.

Elle

I'm sorry I didn't understand the wine reference until just now when it clicked

do you have scum games I can look at? I haven't seen you as scum yet. Also can you do that thing where you're really, really protown? I've seen you do it a lot and it's awesome. Who are your scum reads?

Kazikiramira: Whatcha thinking, pal? You look fairly townie thus far.

Funky,

why are you scum?

if you aren't scum, who is?

Maemuki, you're fluffing really hard. Granted you only have 6 posts, but most of them don't really contribute anything? Why didn't you pursue the following funky thing? What are your thoughts?

BV: Other than the shos WIFOM thing, is there any reason you suspect him? What do you think of funky?

You're my only read? Really? Perhaps I've spent 20 posts talking about you, but I have nearly 60 as of now. You're trying to throw numbers around without context. In addition I'm only attacking you because you're not here? Is that because I've been patiently waiting for you to come back and elaborate on anything other than bullshit fluff? Where was I trying to lynch you for being an easy target?

Nor has 'point out her towniness' been the extent of my argument anywhere. If you look at my context, ya know by actually reading my posts, you could easily see why I asked that. That is, that mastin had written my last few posts had no town in it, but for some reason he still holds you as his gut scum read in spite of your posts.

I'm actually extremely pissed by your comments that I must be scum for going after you while you weren't here. You can't use that as a way to strawman my entir argument into 'look at the scum attack me because I wasn't here. No town would do that.' That doesn't work. You didn't have a V/LA or any other indications you were not going to have access to the game. There was nothing to show that you weren't just scum waiting for suspicion toward you to blow over, especially since mastin is now your little guardian.

In short, you're argument is fake and wrong and you're still scum.

[funkybike1]

@Mod: V/LA until Tuesday night.

Acknowledged

[shos]

I honestly believe we should be lynching funky right now. MAe's posts suck, I agree, mostly; but that's realy few posts, and building a good read with, at least in theory, a high percentage of sureness - is not a function with so little posts. Funky, on the other hand, has provided us the same amount(and more) of scummyness, in much more posts, meaning the read is more stable.

[Grimgroove]

The above does not make it though my logic-filter.

[shos]

I'll simplify it for you:
1. Mae looks like scum.
2. Funky looks like scum.
3. mae has 10~ posts.
4. funky has 20~ posts.
==>
the read on funky is more probably correct.
==?
vote funky.

[Grimgroove]

You're joking, right?

[shos]

nope.
both are scumreads of mine, but mae's posted so little content to actually go on, that I'd really rather lynch funky, especially considering his involvement in the game that I have seen live.

[Grimgroove]

So, it's interactions you want?
Then why don't you seek them with Maemuki? How do you expect to get more out of her? By voting funky?

[penguin_alien]

But the doubts set in with time; The confusion roils madly,
As reads shift to change your vote: as they turn your plans to dust!

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch!

Vote Count 1.10

Lord Mhork (L-4): Maemuki
Malakittens (L-5):
mastin2 (L-5):
bv310 (L-5):
Maemuki (L-2): elleheathen, Lord Mhork, Grimgroove
shos (L-5):
Grimgroove (L-5):
elleheathen (L-5):
funkybike1 (L-2): mastin2, Malakittens, shos

Not voting: bv310, funkybike1

V/LA: elleheathen through 10/13, funkybike1 through 10/15

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-19 00:44:01)

[shos]

well a lynch on funky is a good result regardless, and I'm just assuming that if maemuki lives on some more time he'll probably post more. especially with new knowledge of a flip, dozens of reads can change etc.

[Grimgroove]

You said that you thought Maemuki started posting well "in the last wxhile" (post 251).
What posts were you referring to and why did you think they were better?

I see very little I like in Maemuki's last post, so I'm wondering what you see.

[shos]

differ please between 'posting well' and 'posting townie'. when I said he was posting well I meant that good content started to flow. even if it's wrong, misguided, musguidING, if I agree with it or not - all these don't matter. CONTENT is there. therefore, in the future, I expect good content to keep coming from that slot, and with that content I will be able to more safely decide if I want to lynch the slot or not.

I was referring to posts 8, 9 and 10.

[shos]

by that of course I mean ISO #8,9,10. posts are 161, 250, and something in the middle don't remember

[Grimgroove]

Then why did you vote Maemuki earlier? He ha

[Grimgroove]

He had even less content at the time when you voted him, now you unvote him due to his content being fewer in number than funky. This was also the case when you voted Maemuki.

[shos]

I didn't think about it. but revisiting it now, even if I did - I voted mae on post 201; that was before he started to give any content. one post is not quite promising.

and don't try to misrep me here. I did not unvote him due to his content being fewer. I unvoted him because I strongly believe funky is scum, and I'm less sure about his slot. the 'vote funky and not mae cuz content' part was encouragement for people to vote funky, not to unvote mae, lol. I'm not defending mae, I'm attacking funky. problem is he's in V/LA so what can ye do.

[Lord Mhork]

You can put Mae at L-1 to inspire her to post better content?

[mastin2]

VOTE: Lord Mhork.

Right, so Mala, I'm really liking what Mae's selling, combined with Mhork's overall bad posting.

Put it another way--funky might feel like scum...but Mhork also not only feels like scum, but LOOKS like scum as well.

Short on time atm, but basically, I really want today to be Mhork vs. Funky (lean towards Mhork), rather than Funky vs. Mae. Funky vs. Mae feels funky. Doesn't seem right, doesn't seem natural. Also, I know I said (and Mae agrees) that Mhork vs. Funky can't be scum-scum, but I'm kinda getting a gut feeling today that, somehow, despite all logic pointing to that not being right, it actually is right. Hence, another reason why having the two wagons be Funky and Mhork would be better.

[Lord Mhork]

Hey.

Hey mastin.

Hey.

What's townie about Mae's posting? Her post was wrong and based in her making things up that didn't actually happen. Where's the town in her posting? Where's the town motivation in misrepresenting me?

[Grimgroove]

I did not unvote him due to his content being fewer. I unvoted him because I strongly believe funky is scum, and I'm less sure about his slot.

And you literally said in post 257 that this difference in certainty is due to their ammount of posts. Literally.
So yes, you did unvote Maemuki due to this difference in numbers. This is not a misrep. You say yourself you think they're both scummy so that's not where the difference is. The difference is solely in the numbers, which are the reasons for your firmer belief in funckyscum, that being the reason for the unvote of Maemuki.

[mastin2]

What's townie about Mae's posting? Her post was wrong and based in her making things up that didn't actually happen. Where's the town in her posting? Where's the town motivation in misrepresenting me?

I've been over this; literally everything is screaming town.

[Lord Mhork]

No. No you haven't. I asked you to point it out and you ignored me. Nothing in her posts scream town. You're bullshitting here. Point out where the town is. How does it scream town? Use facts to support your gut.