Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[morph the cat]

Maybe it's supposed to be your ISO.

[Garuda]

Vote: Voidedmafia

[zMuffinMan]

hey upside down,

who's scum?

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

hey muffinman,

Nacho's always scum.

[Garuda]

(I'm not done yet but this dude already needs to die a swift, efficient, hot death.)

[zMuffinMan]

@upside down,

who else?

what's your read on lb, voided, baldy?

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

I think I've been pretty clear on my opinion of Lost Butterfly and baldeagle, but I don't remember anything Voided has done so I don't have one there.

[Harakiri]

Unvote
Vote: VoidedMafia

Nacho knows why.

[Voidedmafia]

Okay, fuck it.

I wanted to wait until tomorrow morning when everyone had checked in, but since I realized I made a mistake in the plan (it's completely my fault and not Faraday's, since he was away when the thread opened), there's no upside to continuing this.

I retract the investigative immune claim.

So what were you going for with this? What did you gain?

(also, Hi Nacho, I think.)

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

it's still empire you guise

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Unvote
Vote: VoidedMafia

Nacho knows why.

Can you tell me a story please? A story about how making a vote only one person will understand is a good idea.

[Harakiri]

Actually more than a single person will understand it, the "Nacho knows why" Is a reference to how I always sheep Nacho on D1.

[Voidedmafia]

Unvote
Vote: VoidedMafia

Nacho knows why.

Do you mind explaining for the rest of us?

P-EDIT: The vote, then

[zMuffinMan]

i don't even think that was nacho making the vote

[Garuda]

I'm not Nacho but I'm better than him anyway so my vote is perfectly sheepable.

(Also, hi Voided, sorry you're scum in this game.)

[Pyrotechnics]

Nacho hasn't posted.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Actually more than a single person will understand it, the "Nacho knows why" Is a reference to how I always sheep Nacho on D1.

that seems like a poor strategy

[Voidedmafia]

(Also, hi Voided, sorry you're scum in this game.)

But...But...That's not true!

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

also your story-telling skills are subpar

[morph the cat]

Empire is sheeping me. This is MY wagon

[Lost Butterfly]

harakiri do you plan to flake @ any stage during this game?

[Harakiri]

Actually more than a single person will understand it, the "Nacho knows why" Is a reference to how I always sheep Nacho on D1.

that seems like a poor strategy

Why? Nacho has shown me that he's pretty good at catching scum D1, seems to me like I have good reasons to sheep him.

Even if that was Empire's vote, the hydra has Nacho on it, and if Nacho feels differently he will change and so will I, unless my other head disagrees with Nacho for some reason.

P-Edit: Why would I flake? But if anything this head (Sakura) has way less chance of posting during weekdays because logging into another account at work = too annoying.

[Lost Butterfly]

So something Faraday has done before was claim miller just to see if a real miller would counterclaim him, and then retract it. We decided to run with something similar here.

In this game, it has less utility (since we know what roles in the game, and anyone could counter us), but we thought that if we claimed to have won something antitown, we could possibly get someone to look really town by their reaction (or possibly give away knowing outside information).

For a while, I was debating between claiming Hitman and Investigation Immune. At first, we wanted Hitman, because we thought a scum investigation immune player would be more likely to counterclaim us. (Before we got our role PMs, we'd considered a scum strategy would be to bid on investigation immunity, claim it to look town, and then transfer it to a teammate and give him cop protection). Hitman is more likely something scum wouldn't claim--particularly since WE look scummy if a NK goes through that shouldn't have.

But then I thought about it, and realized we should choose Inv. Immune for the opposite reason. Town will almost certainly claim either Hitman or Scum. But scum is much more likely to claim Investigation Immune than Hitman for town cred. So if

we

claim Investigation Immune (and scum has it), they go, "Score! They're probably on the other Mafia Faction and signalling to us!" Or capitalize on the confusion and say nothing. So the object was also to reduce the chance of

scum

claiming inv. immune (and then passing it on). (Actually, now I just realized that it might have been better to let them claim it and be held accountable. OOPS.)

HOWEVER, my major mistake in the plan: not accounting for the fact that scum are confirmed to have cop right now. I'd thought of this before seeing the auction results, and didn't take into account the fact that the investigation immune role is no longer even a

threat

to town when the scum have cop.

So...long story short: I should have claimed Hitman.

Part of why I liked the people who were attacking us for being fake was that they were

right

. My claim did read as phony, because it was. (Honestly, I just threw in the part about $80 on a whim, although I think it's a terrible argument that you'd have to risk ALL your money on something on D1.) Of course...another explanation is that the people who thought I was lying

knew

it, if their buddy had the role. But then why wouldn't they leave me alone, given that each faction wants the other to survive?

Bottom line: if it's a scum role, then I feel like the people attacking me for my claim were at most on the faction that doesn't have it.

In retrospect, I probably could have waited until tomorrow for everyone to give opinions and get more reactions. At the very least, the person who counterclaimed me would've been town. But this was a distraction, and I felt guilty when I read this:

2) Negative utility items (such as investigation immunity, deadline, etc) should be claimed immediately if won by town (and it’s not impossible to outright win one, the N0 Night Kill went for only $31 last game for example). Failure to do so will be considered to have been won by scum. I don't want any dumb lolgambits on this front (this means you, Cabd). This is non-negotiable. If you’re town and do something stupid on this front, my hatred of you will follow you like a shroud for the rest of your days.

[Lost Butterfly]

wow

[Garuda]

But...But...That's not true!

Well, then, Mr. Mafia, I am confused. It seems like your posts so far (I'm up to #156) have such a low signal:noise ratio and your reaction to baldeagle's case on Minaday looks like you're scumhunting the other team as opposed to scumhunting generally. Now I'm not really sure what to think ;_;