Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:14 pm

I don't really think the gambits are particularly similar, mine was well thought out + owned

uʍop ǝpısdn · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:14 pm

In post 330, zMuffinMan wrote:@upside down,

who else?

what's your read on lb, voided, baldy?

In post 331, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I think I've been pretty clear on my opinion of Lost Butterfly and baldeagle, but I don't remember anything Voided has done so I don't have one there.

I am surprised this answer was good enough for you muffinman

Garuda · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:15 pm

In post 365, Pyrotechnics wrote:Can you please comment on my idea that neighborizer should claim because I know you have to have read to that part especially since it was like the first post. Thanks.

I have an idea cooking up that's kind of a compromise. I don't know if it's any good though.

My thought process is this: I obviously see the dangers of scum winning the power but it could also be immensely powerful for town (doubly so given the number of hydras here) and I don't want the Neighborizer instantly claiming if town and then dying immediately. But what about the slot that gets Neighborized claiming on D2? The potential Neighborizer / Cop combo is ineffective if both are used N1. If someone gets Neighborized N1, then I think it's more likely that the slot with that power is town.

I don't know this all sounded decent in my head. What do you think?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:17 pm

upside down wrote:I am surprised this answer was good enough for you muffinman

you're being a useless sack of shit. i don't see a point in further questioning right now.

@LB,

what's your current read on voided?

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:18 pm

In post 377, Garuda wrote:If someone gets Neighborized N1, then I think it's more likely that the slot with that power is town.

(You probably should have at least not revealed that, since it's at least a vaguely subtle role interaction that might not be thought of)

I'd also say the neighbouriser just claiming day 2 is effectively the same as day 1, anyway. I don't think I'd be wanting to claim neighbouriser if I had it, for instance.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:19 pm

In post 378, zMuffinMan wrote:what's your current read on voided?

it's probably very similar to the last time you asked

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:19 pm

actually I kind of liked his response to empire's vote.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:22 pm

In post 342, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 339, Garuda wrote:(Also, hi Voided, sorry you're scum in this game.)
But...But...That's not true!

this?

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:22 pm

Voidedmafia · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:23 pm

Hana and Nat are not people known for flaking, FaraMina.

P-EDIT: I very firmly believe that Mina wouldn't do something like that as scum (with the caveat that her side didn't get Cop). What sounds like Faraday's annoyed reaction at revealing all that also reads as town to me. LB is solidly town.

I agree with upside down's 372 in regards to Muffinman.

Lost Butterfly wrote:actually I kind of liked his response to empire's vote.

Mine?

P-EDIT: And...why?

Pyrotechnics · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:24 pm

In post 379, Lost Butterfly wrote:
In post 377, Garuda wrote:If someone gets Neighborized N1, then I think it's more likely that the slot with that power is town.
(You probably should have at least not revealed that, since it's at least a vaguely subtle role interaction that might not be thought of)

I'd also say the neighbouriser just claiming day 2 is effectively the same as day 1, anyway. I don't think I'd be wanting to claim neighbouriser if I had it, for instance.

I don't believe you think this.

And considering I already played out this scenario, he didn't reveal anything new.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:25 pm

lb wrote:I agree with upside down's 372 in regards to Muffinman.

... you think that's what i was saying?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:25 pm

quote is voided, not lb, whatver

Voidedmafia · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:26 pm

In post 386, zMuffinMan wrote:... you think that's what i was saying?

Your read on me is pretty much based on my read on LB, so...yeah.

uʍop ǝpısdn · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:27 pm

In post 378, zMuffinMan wrote:you're being a useless sack of shit. i don't see a point in further questioning right now.

aw c'mon

Pyrotechnics · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:28 pm

In post 377, Garuda wrote:
In post 365, Pyrotechnics wrote:Can you please comment on my idea that neighborizer should claim because I know you have to have read to that part especially since it was like the first post. Thanks.
I have an idea cooking up that's kind of a compromise. I don't know if it's any good though.

My thought process is this: I obviously see the dangers of scum winning the power but it could also be immensely powerful for town (doubly so given the number of hydras here) and I don't want the Neighborizer instantly claiming if town and then dying immediately. But what about the slot that gets Neighborized claiming on D2? The potential Neighborizer / Cop combo is ineffective if both are used N1. If someone gets Neighborized N1, then I think it's more likely that the slot with that power is town.

I don't know this all sounded decent in my head. What do you think?

Possibly. I just think that part of what helped us win the last game was transparency in the town. I don't see why the neighborizer is going yo instantly die, it's not that powerful of a role in the hands of town.

uʍop ǝpısdn · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:28 pm

hey muffinman what's your read on the following people

1. VoidedMafia
2. PeregrineV
3. Nero Cain
4. Seanald
5. guille2015
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
8. Pyrotechnics (a hydra of Syryana and Tammy)
9. morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)
10. BBmolla
11. Banakai
12. Harakiri (hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
14. zMuffinMan
15. Hermy
16. ProHawk
17. Lord Mhork
18. Zdenek
19. 1baldeagle1
20. DoctorPepper
21. Klick

morph the cat · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:30 pm

In post 381, Lost Butterfly wrote:actually I kind of liked his response to empire's vote.

How do you think it differs from Lord Mhork's reaction to you? And to what extent do you think the difference is due to follow-up vs vote?

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:30 pm

In post 385, Pyrotechnics wrote:I don't believe you think this.

i'd ask you to explain the disadvantages of waiting but I don't think you actually can

Possibly. I just think that part of what helped us win the last game was transparency in the town. I don't see why the neighborizer is going yo instantly die, it's not that powerful of a role in the hands of town.

and that's kind of not true, depending on if it gets lucky with a neighbourise or whatever. the only advantage of having the neighbouriser claim today is...we know who the neighbouriser is and can judge their targets. if they claim tomorrow we can do the exact same thing and they've stayed hidden for a night. if scum have it they're probably not going to be willing to claim it either way (or are, and this won't change depending on when we make them claim)

Pyrotechnics · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:32 pm

In post 390, Pyrotechnics wrote:
In post 377, Garuda wrote:
In post 365, Pyrotechnics wrote:Can you please comment on my idea that neighborizer should claim because I know you have to have read to that part especially since it was like the first post. Thanks.
I have an idea cooking up that's kind of a compromise. I don't know if it's any good though.

My thought process is this: I obviously see the dangers of scum winning the power but it could also be immensely powerful for town (doubly so given the number of hydras here) and I don't want the Neighborizer instantly claiming if town and then dying immediately. But what about the slot that gets Neighborized claiming on D2? The potential Neighborizer / Cop combo is ineffective if both are used N1. If someone gets Neighborized N1, then I think it's more likely that the slot with that power is town.

I don't know this all sounded decent in my head. What do you think?
Possibly. I just think that part of what helped us win the last game was transparency in the town. I don't see why the neighborizer is going yo instantly die, it's not that powerful of a role in the hands of town.

And it was only powerful in the hands of town because we were all working together last game. 16 pages in and I have no hopes of synergy like that happening here.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:34 pm

voided wrote:Your read on me is pretty much based on my read on LB, so...yeah.

no it isn't. and you know this. the initial read on you came from your entrance to the game, and i talked a little about why i didn't like this at all. then there's your prohawk vote while saying baldeagle looked like he was out of his depth, followed by a revote on bald. my issues with your LB read came after that.

that's why i asked what faraday thought my reasons were.

why are you still voting bald, btw?

Voidedmafia · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:36 pm

In post 395, zMuffinMan wrote:no it isn't. and you know this. the initial read on you came from your entrance to the game, and i talked a little about why i didn't like this at all. then there's your prohawk vote while saying baldeagle looked like he was out of his depth, followed by a revote on bald. my issues with your LB read came after that

Uh, sure. k.

Also, cuz I still think he's scum.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:38 pm

In post 392, morph the cat wrote:
In post 381, Lost Butterfly wrote:actually I kind of liked his response to empire's vote.
How do you think it differs from Lord Mhork's reaction to you? And to what extent do you think the difference is due to follow-up vs vote?

I don't understand the last bit? I think the difference comes in the directness of voided and the way he meets empire (a stronger player) head on. mhork just kind of beats around the bush, presses questions, treats me as town and then is like "i'm not scum, this is a mislynch". do you think i'm not being objective because he's voting me or something, because whle it's possible I don't think it's what's happening here.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:39 pm

oh, I see what you mean. yeah I guess it's the fact that he's initially "nah, not scum" whereas I found mhork's interactions with me + insistence I answer his questions before that kind of bad + I don't think the way he's responding to me is how you treat someone you think is scum

Pyrotechnics · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:39 pm

In post 393, Lost Butterfly wrote:
In post 385, Pyrotechnics wrote:I don't believe you think this.
i'd ask you to explain the disadvantages of waiting but I don't think you actually can

Possibly. I just think that part of what helped us win the last game was transparency in the town. I don't see why the neighborizer is going yo instantly die, it's not that powerful of a role in the hands of town.
and that's kind of not true, depending on if it gets lucky with a neighbourise or whatever. the only advantage of having the neighbouriser claim today is...we know who the neighbouriser is and can judge their targets. if they claim tomorrow we can do the exact same thing and they've stayed hidden for a night. if scum have it they're probably not going to be willing to claim it either way (or are, and this won't change depending on when we make them claim)

Can you double speak more please? You just literally said that claiming on day two is effectively the same as claiming on day one. Can you please at least pretend to believe what you're saying? I mean a little?

I just think that town you guys who supposedly came up with the game breaking plan to claim a game breaking role in the hopes of gaining reactions would be interested in actually trying to develop a plan for town here, but you're not. You're more interested in sideline sniping, trolling, and "gambits" than any thing else.