Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[zMuffinMan]

We've talked about sharing what we advertised on N0.

Go forward with that?

is anyone even keeping track of this? fwiw, i advertised nothing N0.

ignoring posts where Faraday is trolling/insulting/whatever-ing Tammy, I have liked their thought process

which thought process/es?

voided is scum

I had the opposite reaction, actually.

uhhhh... what was town about his entrance to the game?

[zMuffinMan]

I have both the investigation immunity and the hitman abilities, bitches.

Also, I think everyone should claim if they advertised or what they advertised on. Not the actual amount.

medium

why did you advertise medium and not go for it, btw?

Voided's town read on Lost Butterfly on account of baldeagle's attacks makes no sense. It's probably a contrived justification for a read.

qft

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

hey nacho you scumfuck are you still here?

[morph the cat]

We advertised Neighborizer initially.

When we saw the interim list of what had and hadn't been advertised, we also advertised Doctor and Watcher.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

zdenek town

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE

why?

who are you currently thinking about voting?

Liking Voided's recent posts a little better.

Haven't decided yet. Of the people who have dropped one post and ran, Banakai looks the most town to us. Seanald, Klick and to a lesser extent Hermy don't look so good. And it's possible we'll decide to go back to the Voided wagon.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Slumberparty had both townies and not-townies involved in transferring, so I think it's pretty much the same. Gather up a good chunk of townies, and have another (not necessarily the same size) chunk of non-townies transfer to them without specifying who. Said townies should probably also not claim just how much they got through transfers unless it's necessary to figure out if scum won an ability during an auction or if.

I may have to reread through the rules again, but I don't think there was something put in place to prevent us from having specific people buy specific things, and I also believe that it would be necessary to at least have cash claims from anyone who's not town (perhaps even from everyone, but like I outlined above it may not be a good idea for the group of townies to say just how much they got so scum don't know how many people transferred to who). I'm not a setup expert, but I think it's possible to have non-townies A.) have a set amount of cash after they claim how much they have be set aside for transfers, then B.) Have another set amount of cash they will use each night to advertise certain PRs. Next, each of these non-townies will be designated to buy certain items with the money they should have from the transfers; no specific amounts, but they should at least give some kind of minimum number ("I have at least $300" "I have at least $500", etc.) to work with. This kind of plan may not necessarily be in place for tonight as no one should really have over $150 unless they did absolutely nothing with their money, but it should work from D2 or D3 onward.

There might be a problem in how transferees can catch scum who give lower amounts than they're supposed to, but idk if that's a good tradeoff for limiting scum's ability to use that wiretap ability.

this seems too convoluted to be useful, really

[1baldeagle1]

In Voided's 384, please explain why LB is town.

384; ignoring posts where Faraday is trolling/insulting/whatever-ing Tammy, I have liked their thought process;

I really did not like you case on them (and the continued push on them), which is gave me a growing townread on them. The fact that you're still trying to push them helps it, too.

This is literally your reason for your townread on LB. You are just WKing him now.

Fixed broken quote tag.

[1baldeagle1]

God damnit.

[Voidedmafia]

which thought process/es?

Why they did that reaction, how they're interpreting their reads (thought I won't go as far as to say I currently agree or disagree with them).

this seems too convoluted to be useful, really

It's kinda what we did last game, though, just with some extra contingencies for new scum powers.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Also look at where the suspicion was when the deadline thing was popped. If I were scum, why on earth would I suddenly put a deadline hounding down especially with Lost Butterfly hounding me like he's got a guilty. The alternative is that the other scum team is trying to get me lynched, but since this is semi-multiball that implies that they want Lost Butterfly/BBMolla to get me strung up today. If they thought I were a possible scum ally, why would they do that? More likely they see an easy mislynch opportunity because Butterfly is tunneling me into oblivion.

I can believe this. Probably all three top wagons are town.

UNVOTE:

Probably vote Nacho again soon.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

This was awkward. Why didn't you just vote for yourself in your first post?

The first post was made by me, and the other post was made by Nati.

Also Operation sheep Nacho go!

Unvote
Vote: Mhork

No actually this is better

VOTE: Harakiri

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

VOTE: BBmolla

I hope there's an explanation for this coming up.

My read is pending on how he answers a few things, but what I don't like is that he dropped it really quickly and hopped onto Mhork. I know he was calling Mhork a member of the other scumteam, but the way the vote change went down read as though Faraday sweet-talked him onto the wagon. Even if he did really suspect Mhork, I'd have expected more resistance to being charmed by his other top scumread.

Also, I'm not sure what reaction he was expecting from me as either alignment (he should know I don't fold easily to stuff like that as scum). And, if anything, my frame of mind when I wrote the post he called nervous was completely relaxed; I knew everything would be cleared up once I claimed, and I'm used to drawing early wagons that dissipate quickly because of my wacky early-D1 scumhunting style.

Also also, his last two posts struck me as fluffy, and not in a bumbling spontaneous BBmolla town way ("Omigod, there was a traitor who's immune to cops...in a completely different set-up! Never mind that there's no indication any of the Marketplace games had a traitor. This is a useful contribution to the strategy discussion.")

...hmmm

I don't think that's really worth a vote at the moment?

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

God damnit.

Oh no! The evil quote tags have attacked!

[Lost Butterfly]

Hi LostButterfly!

Read context clues better to figure out how to read this hydra's head!

Here's a secret: only one of us two is actively playing Pokemon right now.

Um...

Have...you guys...been talking about the game...

...

at all

?

*twitch*

I don't suppose you could ask Head Who's Not Playing Pokemon (Sakura?) to respond to my last post and explain the progression of her reads, please? Also, are the self-vote and the post about morph, Muffin, and Zdenek the only one you (Nati?) have made? Why do you want to focus on those three players in particular?

To lost butterfly, I enjoyed the post from pyro regarding the fact you would go for the whole hundred of you were actually purchasing to keep it out of scum hands. That inconsistency made sense to me.

Except Pyro never said that. Whose post did you read and think was Pyro's?

Also, do you have any thoughts on me accusing you of behaving as though you believed our push on you was genuine?

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

It's kinda what we did last game, though, just with some extra contingencies for new scum powers.

it's similar to what we did last game, just not nearly a useful. There are way too many variables.

[Harakiri]

Um...

Have...you guys...been talking about the game...

...

at all

?

*twitch*

I don't suppose you could ask Head Who's Not Playing Pokemon (Sakura?) to respond to my last post and explain the progression of her reads, please? Also, are the self-vote and the post about morph, Muffin, and Zdenek the only one you (Nati?) have made? Why do you want to focus on those three players in particular?

Not since the day started. Mostly my fault-Sakura's been posting in the QT. Weekends are hard for me sometimes. Zdenek isn't in the game, I assume you mean nacho/Empire. But those three are the three I know the best and I feel my current role is to resolve to myself that I could trust them.

Truthfully, I was really hoping to buy Neighborizer tonight to start building my townblock. It's probably for the best, though, I haven't thought one iota about tactics in this game.

Mhurk vs voided is mostly due to Mhurk's defensiveness vs voided's actual logic. The $3 doublevote also points towards town to me, just don't think coordinated scum would do that this early.

Oh, upsidedown's vote is bad obv, but I don't particularly contest it at this moment.

[ProHawk]

Also, Zdenek is town (both

because of the claims

and how he seems more gleeful and spontaneous than his more robotic scum meta).

Am I missing something here? Zdenek is town because he claims

Investigative Immune

and Hitman and because: meta? Ahan... what happened to that sweet sweet gambit you were pulling?

Lets get a refresher...

So something Faraday has done before was claim miller just to see if a real miller would counterclaim him, and then retract it. We decided to run with something similar here.

In this game, it has less utility (since we know what roles in the game, and anyone could counter us), but we thought that if we claimed to have won something antitown, we could possibly get someone to look really town by their reaction (or possibly give away knowing outside information).

For a while, I was debating between claiming Hitman and Investigation Immune. At first, we wanted Hitman, because we thought a scum investigation immune player would be more likely to counterclaim us. (Before we got our role PMs,

we'd considered a scum strategy would be to bid on investigation immunity, claim it to look town, and then transfer it to a teammate and give him cop protection

). Hitman is more likely something scum wouldn't claim--particularly since WE look scummy if a NK goes through that shouldn't have.

But then I thought about it, and realized we should choose Inv. Immune for the opposite reason. Town will almost certainly claim either Hitman or Scum. But

scum is much more likely to claim Investigation Immune

than Hitman

for town cred

. So if

we

claim Investigation Immune (and scum has it), they go, "Score! They're probably on the other Mafia Faction and signalling to us!" Or capitalize on the confusion and say nothing. So the object was also to reduce the chance of

scum

claiming inv. immune (and then passing it on). (Actually, now I just realized that it might have been better to let them claim it and be held accountable. OOPS.)

HOWEVER, my major mistake in the plan: not accounting for the fact that scum are confirmed to have cop right now. I'd thought of this before seeing the auction results, and didn't take into account the fact that the investigation immune role is no longer even a

threat

to town when the scum have cop.

So...long story short: I should have claimed Hitman.

Part of why I liked the people who were attacking us for being fake was that they were

right

. My claim did read as phony, because it was. (Honestly, I just threw in the part about $80 on a whim, although I think it's a terrible argument that you'd have to risk ALL your money on something on D1.) Of course...another explanation is that the people who thought I was lying

knew

it, if their buddy had the role. But then why wouldn't they leave me alone, given that each faction wants the other to survive?

Bottom line: if it's a scum role, then I feel like the people attacking me for my claim were at most on the faction that doesn't have it.

I don't in the slightest get how you feel Zdnek is town for something you hypothesized scum would do to look town. Unless... you actually know he isn't aligned with you. This needs to be lynched.

Cabd isn't around, but he and I discussed prohawk earlier.

We feel like he's kinda avoiding the thread atm. And we didn't like that his major contribution to the game last night was a pretty much gratuitous injection of morph-fery meta wifom.

You will see that a lot from me until things die down a bit more. Cabd should know how I take Large Games is large strides. If it makes you feel better, feel free to vote me for it. Me injecting Morph wifom was a minor contribution at best.

[Voidedmafia]

God damnit.

Oh no! The evil quote tags have attacked!

Is there a reason you're suddenly ascribing to the FaraMina style of quoting posts but not explaining why?

Zdenek isn't in the game

There's four or so posts in an ISO waiting to say they told you so.

I don't in the slightest get how you feel Zdnek is town for something you hypothesized scum would do to look town

You're missing the fact that the meta fact is added on here.

[ProHawk]

No, no I am pretty sure I commented on it. Meta shouldn't trump anything. Its the lowest of low.

[zMuffinMan]

The $3 doublevote also points towards town to me, just don't think coordinated scum would do that this early.

what does this mean?

[Voidedmafia]

No, no I am pretty sure I commented on it. Meta shouldn't trump anything. Its the lowest of low.

It's kinda part of his point.

Also, meta isn't lowest of low--there've been plenty of people caught by it--it's just not for everyone.

[Lost Butterfly]

@Muffin: You're probably not going to get much more in-depth reasons from Faraday than he's already given, but I can explain the reasons why I was

fine

with that vote. It was a combination of the timing of his stances and shift onto our wagon (he acted as though he was on the fence, but then waited until there was momentum our way), his parroting of other people's suspicions (for example, when he was the THIRD person to ask us about our HTML tags), the buddying up to Tammy for a pretty banal point (apparently, he meant to say someone else was town, but let me check something), and some of the filler questions/posts he made.

What are your thoughts on Mhork?

Probably vote Nacho again soon.

Why Nacho?

VOTE: BBmolla

I hope there's an explanation for this coming up.

My read is pending on how he answers a few things, but what I don't like is that he dropped it really quickly and hopped onto Mhork. I know he was calling Mhork a member of the other scumteam, but the way the vote change went down read as though Faraday sweet-talked him onto the wagon. Even if he did really suspect Mhork, I'd have expected more resistance to being charmed by his other top scumread.

Also, I'm not sure what reaction he was expecting from me as either alignment (he should know I don't fold easily to stuff like that as scum). And, if anything, my frame of mind when I wrote the post he called nervous was completely relaxed; I knew everything would be cleared up once I claimed, and I'm used to drawing early wagons that dissipate quickly because of my wacky early-D1 scumhunting style.

Also also, his last two posts struck me as fluffy, and not in a bumbling spontaneous BBmolla town way ("Omigod, there was a traitor who's immune to cops...in a completely different set-up! Never mind that there's no indication any of the Marketplace games had a traitor. This is a useful contribution to the strategy discussion.")

...hmmm

I don't think that's really worth a vote at the moment?

Um...isn't the definition of vote-worthy early in D1 "anything you find suspicious"? Are you defending BBmolla, do you disagree with anything I said, or are you agreeing with my suspicions but suggesting I should vote someone else?

Oh, another question for you. How much of the posting has been N and how much Quilford?

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Preview-edit: ProHawk, even leaving aside that your point makes no sense in quasi-multiball (if he wasn't on my team, I'd have no idea if he's town

unless I'm baldeagle according to Voidedmafia

):

1) I

outright said

in that big post that I think scum would be much less likely to claim Hitman than investigation immune, because you're outed if ONE person goes, "I doc-protected this guy who died anyway."
2) I think Zdenek-scum gets enough town cred just from claiming one of the two abilities. In his shoes, I'd claim investigation immune (particularly with a scum cop) but keep my mouth shut about Hitman.
3) Honestly, it just

read

genuine. It's the "bitches" that did it for me.
4) This is more for MD, but meta is one of the most powerful scumhunting tools out there if it's used correctly. There are certain players who are literally impossible to read without meta, but become easy to read with it.

[1baldeagle1]

God damnit.

Oh no! The evil quote tags have attacked!

Is there a reason you're suddenly ascribing to the FaraMina style of quoting posts but not explaining why?

So, you mention my misquote, but you don't respond to my me saying you are WKing LB?

Also, if you are saying I was calling LB scum because he kept misquoting, you are wrong.

[zMuffinMan]

What are your thoughts on Mhork?

probably town. i didn't mind his early posts that much, it felt like he was trying to find his feet in the game. his more recent posts read genuine, including the paranoia in his last post about the medium advertising (even though i think that's misguided).