Newbie 1437 - Chocolate Fondue Mafia (Over)

[jmo16mla]

We're getting dangerously close to the deadline...
Perhaps I could post some reads if you guys like.

we have over a week as of this post...

But certainly that doesn't mean we need to take up all of the allotted time.

[Fart Bane]

To all except not science and flay:

What do you think of ns's attack on flay?

To zakk

Why Am I probably not mafia?

To all except jmo and flay

What do you think of Flays attack on jmo?

I think those were all the questions... Though I added the first.

[DeasVail]

Vote Count 1.04

notscience (2)- jmo16mla, Mr. Flay
jmo16mla (1)- The Acting Method
Fart Bane (1)- The-Duck
Mr. Flay(1)- notscience

Not voting: Endernys, Fart Bane, zakk, Number_0ne

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

21st October, 3pm AEDT. This is in (expired on 2013-10-21 00:00:00)

[notscience]

I don't think you understand what I mean by 'vote cases' I mean a reason to vote. Any reason, even a small one, is good Day One. But sitting back and going "hurr I'm waiting for something to happen" is not good for the game. Random voting is not good for the game past the first couple of posts (and not really good there, but it does minimal harm). Jerry's (who was scum in 1397) pressure voting close to deadline was a reason to vote him. Minimalist and uncooperative posting by Xiao Long was a reason to vote him. A case doesn't have to be a wallpost, especially in the early game.

So why are you pushing a wagon onto me for basically saying to do what I'm doing? Also "here where the votes are on him" is a big misrep when you're onto the second vote on me. Some people are questioning what I was doing with the wagon on jmo16mla, but only Number One had voted until you did. And for somebody who wants me to back up my 'vote cases' dictum, you haven't done much to build yours.

Let's dance. VOTE: notscience

1) I didn't say it was my opinion, but I do not ONCE remember you asking that in either of the games we have played (where you were town in both).

2) Fair point about wagon size, I misjudged it.

3) Are you saying that if you don't explicitly state your reasoning in a vote then you're scum?

4) I wouldn't say, pushing your lynch. I voted you and presented my reasoning based on the games I've played with you, are you saying that my "case"- which earlier in that post said was meant to be a reason- wasn't well built? So, me having a meta based reason to vote someone =/= good reasoning? Seems like an attempt to discredit.

[Fart Bane]

VOTE: NOT SCIENCE

Is that all? We've had a couple posts against you yet you only reply to one. Avoiding them seems unlikely, because you know how astute we are. Are you on a time crunch? Anything that would make me not want to vote you? So far I don't see anything. It seems either scummy or lazy of you to just defend and not contribute to hunting. Unless of course your busy which I do understand. But so far i'm happy where my vote is...

[Fart Bane]

Warning, that puts ns to 2-L

[notscience]

Your post was so blatantly a misrep, there was no reason to reply to it.

Nice chainsaw though.

[Fart Bane]

chainsaw?

[Fart Bane]

Misrep?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: fartbane

[Fart Bane]

Explain please.

[Mr. Flay]

We're getting dangerously close to the deadline...
Perhaps I could post some reads if you guys like.

Well, I mean don't strain yourself, but it would be helpful...

101 is really weird. You have NOTHING to ask me?? I will agree with notsci that you look like you're buddying/defending me. Contribute more than just questions, please.

3) Are you saying that if you don't explicitly state your reasoning in a vote then you're scum?

I'm pretty sure I don't have any tells that blatant... I'm a case-based player, not gut-based, like I said. That works for me as scum or town.

... I'm still waiting for that case, I hope. Basically all you've said so far is "he asked for cases or suspects from people who aren't stating their suspects or cases yet!" If you've got more, now is the time to bring it.

[Fart Bane]

Truthfully the only question I asked was...
What do you think of not sci's attack on flay? Those other questions came elsewhere. I didn't mean to make it look like I was defending you. I just saw logic on your side much more then notsci's. Also I don't like when people bring a

[Fart Bane]

Sorry it submitted....
Also I don't like when people have their while case around meta. Like they expect you to read the game or understand them completely. It would be better if not sciences posts were clearer. But hey maybe it's just me.

[The Acting Method]

[*]

TAM

I basically view the same way. He says I'm a null read, but really isn't pushing to get any more information or advance his own case. He's posting theory and playstyle tips, not analysis.

Correction: I say that I see you're reaction as null. Not that I read you as null.

Really? What you actually said in post 57 was "I disagree Number. I see Flay's Attack on jmo being null." Since it's the only thing you've commented on about me, how is that not a read of me? in fact your response to this whole wagon thing has been remarkably subdued. Are you always this laid back?

Yes. Unless it's me being attacked... Or if I feel I've caught scum.

What's important is that the attack is null, my read on you at the time was more leaning town. However, I need to do an ISO readthrough so that I can get my thoughts aligned.

[zakk]

While there is an every-72-hours minimum, I

strongly

encourage everyone to post every 24 hours at least. It makes it much easier to keep up with the game and not get stuck in an "I need to read up before I can participate" loop.

This is kind of what happened to me. I told myself I would straighten that out before the weekend was up. That begins... now.

Gentlemen.

[zakk]

EBWOP is (or should be) in the Abbreviations page on the wiki. Editing By Way Of Posting, since you can't edit your words in Mafia game threads.

How is it that you had time to link this page, but didn't have time to actually look at it and check to see if EBWOP was on the page?

mod, not science is also voting me,

Flay, your vote has put me at L-1 on page two. No one vote me. Kthanks.

I'm fine with that for now, unless a better candidate presents themselves.

I think the "he eats and sleeps like anyone else" also can serve to belittle me. If you're town it's fine, but if you're not it could be a way to put off any argument I make that you don't like.

I saw the "eats and sleeps" comment as more of a statement telling Fart Bane to stop using the fact that Mr. Flay is a site administrator to express(/feign?) fear of you, and get down to playing as if you are a normal player, because technically, you are. Fart Bane basically confirms as much in post 43.

Mr. Flay, I have to ask what you think of jmo16's very candid "no one vote me. kthx" post in 39? Do you think that sounds like something mafia would post, or town? I sense a calm townie frustration there, at least, much more than I discern a sweating mafia player.

Still, the biggest thing was trying to revert to RVS. That is not the mark of a strong player, particularly one who says they are good as town.

What would you have done instead, if the RQS instigator had basically given a vague non-answer when asked if they'd found any answers?

Honestly my biggest suspect at this point is The Acting Method; he has done nothing useful and doesn't seem to have any opinions on anyone, despite being relatively active posting-wise, and making plenty of content- and game theory-laden posts. It feels to me like he is trying to fit in and not stand out, and at the same time build up rapport with players by answering questions. And at the same time it feels like he was initially trying to defer to you inasmuch as he posted the statement about deferring to your supposedly forthcoming grand IC post. Every post he's made after that is basically just fluffy stuff which doesn't feel like he wants to take a stance on anything, but wants to be seen as active and posting. Something just doesn't feel right there. I think he's mafia.

Vote: The Acting Method

[zakk]

notscience, good to see you again as well.

Same plan as last time, right?

What plan?

You know. Being town, and winning?

Unvote

Fart Bane is probably not mafia.

Why not?

Actually, I'm not sure. I wasn't particularly getting a mafia feel from his posts, but on a re-read, I'm slightly less confident in that. His rapid multi posting style seems much less likely to come from mafia however, especially newbie mafia. I would think they would be much more careful, as The Acting Method is being. Not that TAM is new, just that he is scummy.

Really, I think I just wanted to remove my RVS vote, but didn't read enough into things it before I did. Either that, or I had a stronger read on him at that point (and I didn't write anything down for my notes yet... which I have now, and it's less conclusive than the gut I was apparently feeling then). Anyway reading all of his posts again, I still feel he is probably town.

It's good of you to question that, however. I feel much more comfortable with you as a townie after this post and post 81 in particular. I will now proceed to try to get you to vote The Acting Method with me as I feel most strongly that he is mafia. Will you vote him with me?

After that

dot dot dot

it's about the current game.

Look who's phone posting. lol




Anyway, this game oughta get really good really quick...

[The Acting Method]

You know, I'd tell you to look at my meta zakk but it wouldn't do you any good.

I only really get started if something sets me off and running. This is pretty standard n00b play for me.

In fact, pretty much your main arguments? Null for me just off of the fact that I've done it as scum and as town.

[The-Duck]

I don't see why the quoted posts by NS would make Flay scummy. The first two quotes are out of order, which make me feel like the argument is constructed, instead of just looking trough an old game and multi-qoute it.
In conjunction with the exaggeration of flay's answers in 103 I think he's really reaching for things to incriminate Flay.
NS also mentions a chainsaw defense by Fart Bane, which seems to me like an easy way to avoid further questions. Just call it an mis rep, or chainsaw, instead of setting things straight.. If he's actually misrepresenting you, you'd want to set that straight as townie right?
I don't see possible town motivation in his aproach of the game at the moment, so he would be a good lynch to me.
UNVOTE: Fart Bane
VOTE: Notscience

[The-Duck]

Thats L-1, please declare intent to hammer before doing so!

[zakk]

After re-reading notscience's posts yet again, I am not unopposed to his lynch. He doesn't seem very townish. He was very easy to read as town in our last game together, and he hasn't been anything of the sort in this game. Still, I would much rather lynch The Acting Method because I am more sure of him being mafia.

My suspects in order are The Acting Method first, and notscience second. And then if they both flipped town, I would look at Endernys next, because everyone else seems pretty townie to me. But out of those three players, I am pretty confident that both of the mafia are in there. Probably in the first two, if I had to bet on it.

I don't think I am going to hammer notscience. I want to see what people have to say about The Acting Method. Also, please, if I die any time soon, re-read my posts and don't let my death be in vain.




FOR THE PURITY OF THE FONDUE!!!

[The-Duck]

Zakk, I've looked trough some of TAM's recent newbie scum and town games, and it looks to me like he is a bit more involved as scum. He's asking questions and is redirecting attention there, which is not something he is doing here. I'd like him to be a bit more active in helping us find scum, but I would not be comfortable with a TAM lynch today.

[Number_0ne]

To all except not science and flay:

What do you think of ns's attack on flay?

Well, I don't really trust meta as reasoning that often, for the following reasons:

1. Showing a few quotes doesn't give the whole picture, and even reading the topic will give a different perspective than actually playing the game.
2. Strategies and standard tactics change over time. (That said, the game was relatively recent)

As for the actual attack, I find notscience to be a bit scummy, although I have other suspects. I'd like endernys to post a bit more, because we can't really get a good read on him.

Jmo16mla, what are your reasons for voting Fart Bane? I find that he's more of a cautious town who wants time to think before a lynch, although his reasoning behind voting notscience isn't that solid.

As for lynching notscience, I'm okay with it, just not now. We still have a week left, we should make the most of our time to get reads on people. Or is there some sort of disadvantage to town for dragging the phase on too long?

[Fart Bane]

We still have some time to burn. Lets wait for number 1, enderyn and jmo. See what they think. Perhaps maybe a claim by not science.