Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Antihero]

VOTE: Nacho

[Ghostlin]

Go town.

[waynegg]

FTL investigates tonight, and we go from there. See you all (less ghostlin) tomorrow, probably.

(Don't worry ghostlin if it comes to it I won't hesitate to lynch nacho)

VOTE: Trust Fund

[waynegg]

With <3

[Antihero]

FTL investigates tonight, and we go from there. See you all (less ghostlin) tomorrow, probably.

(Don't worry ghostlin if it comes to it I won't hesitate to lynch nacho)

VOTE: Trust Fund

awful

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: BROseidon

End of the road.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, for you.

VOTE: Nacho

[TiphaineDeath]

VOTE: bro

[Trust Fund]

Lol wayne, dumb vote is dumb.

Also if scum wants to surrender now would be the time to do so instead of dragging out the inevitable.

[Trust Fund]

What did you get as far as investigative stuff, varsoon?

[Mac]

vote Bro

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah, for you.

VOTE: Nacho

We both know this game is gonna end in two days, regardless of outcome. Last scum needs approximately... 4 mislynches in order to take the game? 5 if we count andy. Today is not about reads or logic. Today is about the dance.

[BROseidon]

You're right, it's about the dance. I've already won, so I'm trying to win without getting mislynched so I can boast afterwards how despite the entire scum team pushing for my mislynch, they still couldn't get it.

The only reason to vote me over Nacho at this point is an appeal to authority. Can anyone build a case about why I am more scummy than Nacho despite the fact that:

1) I was the first person to push nhammen/Mala
2) I have, from a weak position, strongly pushed for every other scum lynch, when it would have made sense for scum-me to let myself get bussed (or scum could have bussed me day 1 when I WASN'T EVEN READING THE GODDAMN THREAD).
3) I have an even post-count with Nacho, compared to Xenoblade where he had roughly 4x my posts with town-Nacho and scum-Bro.

Is anyone actually scumreading me for reasons other than ffery having a scumread on me (despite never having seen my scumgame and being a meta-reliant player) and the fact that I was behind more than forty pages for most of day 1, and as a result didn't post except to make sure that we didn't get an NL?

Because that is a thin-as-fuck case compared to the shitload of evidence that supports that I'm town.

[waynegg]

Lol wayne, dumb vote is dumb.

Also if scum wants to surrender now would be the time to do so instead of dragging out the inevitable.

Damn you. I was trying to see if the scum who set you up wanted to come clean. Damn you.

VOTE: Nacho

So I'm left with just sticking to the plan instead of having a little fun

[waynegg]

FTL investigates tonight, and we go from there. See you all (less ghostlin) tomorrow, probably.

(Don't worry ghostlin if it comes to it I won't hesitate to lynch nacho)

VOTE: Trust Fund

awful

Unless you want to consider this, TF...

[waynegg]

T'would be sweet vindication to be right on Venmar

[Antihero]

no, waynegg, I wasn't talking about the vote. I was talking about you. more specifically, the implication that TF must have done the kill. and the fact that you voted me while desperado was walking around with "scumbag" tattooed to his forehead. and the fact that you apparently think you're a mastermind.

that's awful.

T'would be sweet vindication to be right on Venmar

oh good. it seems that your ego is due for a little deflation

...oh who am i kidding? post-game you're going to blame it on me/venmar and still insist you're a god.

Fuck it.

[waynegg]

I don't get where all your hostility and personal attacks come from, but they need to stop. I'm cutting up and having fun and playing a game. A GAME. You're being a real douche and you should feel bad. You guys can lynch Nacho or whoever without me. Now I want antihero gone just for personal crap.

VOTE: antihero

And FYI, I know my strengths and weaknesses db. I'm good early and wan as more WIFOM muddles the thread. I completely suck at XYLO. Assholes like you take the fun out of playing.

[Nachomamma8]

...............Andrius
..................|
Mala-Rach-Nacho
...|.......|
...|---Venmar

a third buddy on here means that AJ decided to hard bus 3/4 of his teammates, with desperado being the only one worthy of being a townread

bro interactions:

Bro's a nullscum read, but nick is a scum read after we clear the other obvious scum out. Venmar had some bad posts recently that I'll quote here really quick.

nd if we're missing really bad (trust me, we won't... I got this) we can lynch Bro as an 'out of options' lynch. But not until then.

But bro, on the other hand, I don't see any reason to lynch him other than he's bothering you for all the wrong reasons.

And since I'm reading TD as town and Bro as somewhere at a town lean, the best that could be is buddying. Yet they aren't the smartest to buddy with as TD and Bro have taken a goodly amount of heat throughout the whole day.

BROseidon, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc are all town reads of mine or essential confirmed town.

The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

Let's assume Muffin town, FTL town, and Ghostlin town. Assume no scum because we're using this to help find. I'll mark assumptions blue. On a counterwagon drawn by scum, I would generally guess one more scum leaving TF. The last two are bussing. You've got to have insurance. Using confirmation bias, I'd say a good guess is two of Desp, Nacho, TD, TF are scum. I don't even know what TF has done recently, and nick was diehard on TD being town. Nacho was mastin's pick for an outside scum pick, and I completely agreed d1. I've never seen Nacho like this, but then again, I really don't play against him as much as I first assumed I did.

[waynegg]

I hear ya Nacho, but you're on there as well and you seem favored to win the day...

[Antihero]

I don't get where all your hostility and personal attacks come from, but they need to stop. I'm cutting up and having fun and playing a game. A GAME. You're being a real douche and you should feel bad. You guys can lynch Nacho or whoever without me. Now I want antihero gone just for personal crap.

VOTE: antihero

And FYI, I know my strengths and weaknesses db. I'm good early and wan as more WIFOM muddles the thread. I completely suck at XYLO. Assholes like you take the fun out of playing.

yeesh, glass jaw anybody...?

i'm not saying you're an awful person. i'm not even saying you're a bad mafia player. you could be a great and intelligent person and a great mafia player (or you could... not be; I don't know you nearly well enough to make that call). the way you've approached your reads (specifically me) has been awful though. Me AND multiple people around you (namely, TF and nacho) have told you this and you refuse to listen, or even explain why I'm scum in the face of strong exculpatory evidence. Now, if that's ruining your fun, I guess I apologize, but i think that's a pretty accurate description of what's gone on in my time in this game.

what I WILL apologize for is my comment about what you would do post game. I've been tainted by people who have been so wrong and then stuck to their guns like arrogant assholes at the end of all of it, but i had absolutely NO reason to think that you were that way. for that, i am sorry

now, let's all go cool off and come back later, eh...?

[waynegg]

Since you missed it

20. Venmar ~

Spoiler:

131 "I hope you realize that claiming PGO pretty much makes
sure town powerroles don't blow themselves up on me, so i AM
playing to my wincon" trying to get town PR off him is his main
motivation. A two for one pay off is generally good so this logic
feels wonky for some reason.
116 288 don't like this TD push
350 sudden change in tone to reflect tone BnB is looking for in 326...
1639 see: horrible; why put a number on how many of those are supposed to be his scumbuddy on the list he's protected at one point or another? To exaggerate it to the point of sounding ludacrous?
1641 admits his PGO claim is a load of bull by relating it to Mattp
1958 too lazy to expound on it?
2072 this looks like a lie
2757 scum tell with the "just got lucky" part?
3065 "cause I said so" only works when you're scum because you
have no way knowing that otherwise.
3476

I don't like he play from Venmar at all. There seems to be a lot of dissonance with his thoughts and interactions with others. His emotional outbursts that give him excuse to avoid the game ~ threatening to replace out, the afk threat because of Bro... ~ repeatedly make me wonder why he's trying so hard to avoid the game.

I don't particularly believe the Cop claim from Mastin because I'm pretty sure he was cc'd, so I cant put faith in that clear. Can't condemn him for it either.

His soft rebuttal of his PGO claim reads suspicious. It doesn't seem to have any town motivation.

Knowing my reads get muddled as the game progresses, I take what's happened since with a grain of salt.

[Nachomamma8]

The only reason to vote me over Nacho at this point is an appeal to authority.

What appeal to authority have I brought up against you ever? There's burden of proficiency (I wouldn't allow myself to be found in this fucktarded position as scum) to respond to "Nacho isn't trying hard enough", but the strongest piece of evidence against you is trying to maneuver in the unconfirmeds. These last couple of days I have been making an extremely focused effort to strengthen the confirmed town block that DOESN'T INCLUDE ME, while you've been making a push against me (you had quite a late jump on the Desperado wagon) and throwing suspicion on the confirmed town blocks.

1) I was the first person to push nhammen/Mala

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2) I have, from a weak position, strongly pushed for every other scum lynch, when it would have made sense for scum-me to let myself get bussed (or scum could have bussed me day 1 when I WASN'T EVEN READING THE GODDAMN THREAD).

I've made no effort for posturing worth shit, which is somewhat more valuable than bussing to shit (again, when the scumteam tried bussing each other to hell).
But, we can play that game and I'll point out that D1 I pretty stubbornly stayed on Rach and protected Andrius when mollie/ffery were getting sketched out about me because of my townread on him. The only scum who ever got defended by me was mala, who made it into the townblock thanks to mollie's read on her, but that disintegrated pretty quickly. My townblock has been pretty much scum free the whole fucking game, and I haven't made an effort to protect any of my buddies ever, which is something I do pretty often as scum. Take Meta Playstyle Mafia, where I attempted to defend TheTrollie from MattP so I could stop our team from getting horribly fucked up for more than a single second. Or Dixon Hill, where as I went down provided a meta case on the Ms Marangal hydra being town. Open 507 I protected both of my scumpartners until the final day, where I attempted to bus the hell out of one of them. #YOLOville I ended up butting heads with our Traitor early on accident, but protected other two partners until I went down. Resurgence Mafia I bussed one partner hard, then got my other 4 partners in a townblock and took control of everything in town. League of Legends Mafia, replaced in late, came up with a plan to let my lurkfuck partner live another day because she had a cool ability and buddied the hell out of my other partner. There are games that I've played as scum where I've bussed one partner, but me not taking a strong hand in defending a single one of my partners stands out pretty strongly; cabd could probably tell you that if he could meta people decently. Ghostlin's earlier argument that I'm coming up with this argument specifically to push it now is bullshit when it's not a strong enough argument to get me past the 100% confirmed town core of Varsoon, Mac, TD, Antihero, notscience, and Waynegg and the mostly confirmed addition of Andrius. It's not enough to get past trust fund, and my former theory about the scumteam being completely stacked doesn't really hold much water anymore.

Yet, BRO still doesn't have complete conviction that I am scum even though he pretty much should if town (hell, he even brought up that scummy as fuck "if Desperado and Nacho both flip town, I'll lynch Antihero" comment. The key is looking where people flinch, and as the game's gotten down to unwinnable for scum, I haven't flinched once. BRO, on the other hand...

[waynegg]

And then this

The scum flips

Passive ability assigner
Roleblocker
BP Godfather
Goon

Mastin wasn't a Cop. He was a JK.

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

[Antihero]

waynegg, i'm not saying that venmar wasn't scummy or that you didn't have good reasons. but scummy =/= scum and sometimes (OK, a lot of the time) the people you're most certain are scum just... aren't... (personal experience talking here)

the thing that's really grinding my gears about you though is that you overlook the obvious and now I'm just getting the feeling that you're twisting all the facts to fit your pet theory (prime example, the fact that I called you down on the fallacious "TF did the nightkill" argument; and you implied that was a scumtell). it's not a judgement. everyone does it sometimes (myself included).