Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

except for the godfather and the crumbs and clearing two townies

[Nachomamma8]

which is kind of big

[waynegg]

Yeah, so,ermines it doesn't. I totally agree with that. But I know my D1 reads are in general better than at any other point in the game. TF (cabd) can describe to you how I work. Even if I'm wrong on my read for your slot, he can confirm this is my legit thought process. I only make cases match accusations when I'm gambiting, and then put those "cases" aside once I reveal exactly what I was doing. That's not the case here. I really think your slot is scum.

[waynegg]

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

except for the godfather and the crumbs and clearing two townies

Explain better. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Antihero]

OK, I'm going to humor you and take an outside perspective for this one...

And then this

The scum flips

Passive ability assigner
Roleblocker
BP

Godfather

Goon

Mastin wasn't a Cop. He was a JK.

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

this role, in particular, strongly implies the existence of a cop.

now, if you want to say that the mod is just WIFOMing the scumteam, then OK. there's nothing I (nor anyone else) can say to that besides "it's very unlikely". fwiw, i've never been in a game where there's a godfather without a cop.

look. I get it. you don't like me. I suspect you didn't like venmar either. but likability does not correlate with what role PM we got. if you continue to pursue this, I guess I can't really say anything besides ... "no"...

[waynegg]

I like Venmar quite a bit, actually

[waynegg]

And a cop with gf just wifom'd the town, so I can see a mod wifoming the scum. Like I said, Nacho can be lynched without. E.

[Nachomamma8]

So, I have no reason to not think antihero is scum.

except for the godfather and the crumbs and clearing two townies

Explain better. I don't know what you're talking about.

1) Godfathers imply the existence of a cop of some sort, just as millers imply the existence of a cop (except stronger!). Site meta leans against Godfathers, so when they are in the game, they are usually in the game for no fucking reason. Not to mention that the role has excellent symmetry with yours: the traitor is immune to the two-shot cop AND the two-shot vig.

2) Crumbs. I ended up attacking the fuck out of venmar for his odd read changes, but this makes complete and total sense with cop investigations in tow. He also crumbed pretty heavily as a hider last game, so this is consistent with his town meta.

3) Clearing two townies. Mac and TD are now 100% completely confirmed town. If Antihero is last scum, he came into the game and cleared two townies. That seems unlikely to me.

[Antihero]

Yeah, so,ermines it doesn't. I totally agree with that. But I know my D1 reads are in general better than at any other point in the game. TF (cabd) can describe to you how I work.

so... what... you think it's a sign of weakness to admit your thought process might have lead you to the wrong conclusion?

...and don't think that I'm judging you here, either. This is a widely held belief that few people will admit to having. I myself fall into this trap. frequently.

[Nachomamma8]

And a cop with gf just wifom'd the town, so I can see a mod wifoming the scum. Like I said, Nacho can be lynched without. E.

Please promise to vote BRO if I die and flip town.

[BROseidon]

bro interactions:

Bro's a nullscum read, but nick is a scum read after we clear the other obvious scum out. Venmar had some bad posts recently that I'll quote here really quick.

nd if we're missing really bad (trust me, we won't... I got this) we can lynch Bro as an 'out of options' lynch. But not until then.

But bro, on the other hand, I don't see any reason to lynch him other than he's bothering you for all the wrong reasons.

And since I'm reading TD as town and Bro as somewhere at a town lean, the best that could be is buddying. Yet they aren't the smartest to buddy with as TD and Bro have taken a goodly amount of heat throughout the whole day.

BROseidon, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc are all town reads of mine or essential confirmed town.

The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

Let's assume Muffin town, FTL town, and Ghostlin town. Assume no scum because we're using this to help find. I'll mark assumptions blue. On a counterwagon drawn by scum, I would generally guess one more scum leaving TF. The last two are bussing. You've got to have insurance. Using confirmation bias, I'd say a good guess is two of Desp, Nacho, TD, TF are scum. I don't even know what TF has done recently, and nick was diehard on TD being town. Nacho was mastin's pick for an outside scum pick, and I completely agreed d1. I've never seen Nacho like this, but then again, I really don't play against him as much as I first assumed I did.

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I like how you quoted things without trying to build a case.

Also, his statement about my interactions with Mala support me as town.

Also, go look at Desp's attack on me for trying to get others to articulate why they thought both Mala and I were town. If that looks like scum/scum/scum interactions to anyone, then

[waynegg]

Scum clear town all the time. I've never been in or read a game where they didn't. Great for town cred.

But, let's just go with your reasoning Nacho. Why are we on you and not FTL?

[BROseidon]

The only scum who ever got defended by me was mala, who made it into the townblock thanks to mollie's read on her, but that disintegrated pretty quickly.

That anyone thought ever that Mala is town is ridiculous. I stand by nhammen and Mala both being obvscum from pretty much every post that came out of that slot.

That people even toyed with the idea of not lynching Mala day 3 was absurd.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are we on you and not FTL?

Because FTL is also town confirmed to be targetting TF when he said he investigated him.

[waynegg]

Yeah, so,ermines it doesn't. I totally agree with that. But I know my D1 reads are in general better than at any other point in the game. TF (cabd) can describe to you how I work.

so... what... you think it's a sign of weakness to admit your thought process might have lead you to the wrong conclusion?

...and don't think that I'm judging you here, either. This is a widely held belief that few people will admit to having. I myself fall into this trap. frequently.

Nope. I flaw more than I hit. But Ihjt scum 40ish% which is still solid. Yours isn't the only name left from D1. It's just at the top.

[Nachomamma8]

Scum clear town all the time. I've never been in or read a game where they didn't.

Town clear town more often.
In Cash Cabd, I as miller doctor cleared SoS and Rail Tracer as town. Rail Tracer cleared beastcharizard as town. Scum cleared no one.

[Nachomamma8]

That anyone thought ever that Mala is town is ridiculous.

mollie is more familiar with her than you and confirmed town
guess it wasn't so ridiculous

[BROseidon]

Yet, BRO still doesn't have complete conviction that I am scum even though he pretty much should if town (hell, he even brought up that scummy as fuck "if Desperado and Nacho both flip town, I'll lynch Antihero" comment

I like the double misrep (I've pushed for your lynch since day 4+I never said in absolutes that I'd lynch Anti).

Please, keep misrepping me more.

And by appeal to authority, I mean the fact that you are a vet player and I'm a relative newbie, so people are more inclined to listen to you despite the mountain of evidence against you.

And yes, burden of proficiency of you playing your towngame is a valid point.

pedit: Oh yes, one example of when town cleared town more than scum cleared town

[BROseidon]

That anyone thought ever that Mala is town is ridiculous.

mollie is more familiar with her than you and confirmed town
guess it wasn't so ridiculous

Yeah I'm asking mollie about that post game because let me find the post...

[Nachomamma8]

pedit: Oh yes, one example of when town cleared town more than scum cleared town

do you really need more?

[Nachomamma8]

I never said in absolutes that I'd lynch Anti

but you said you would
all because "his claim isn't enough to clear him as town". how the hell not?

[BROseidon]

^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

Mala should have been power-lynched for this post after the Rach flip. The scum motivation teemed through it like no other.

[Andrius]

Vote: BROseidon

[BROseidon]

do you really need more?

You don't seem to understand the burden of proof necessary to prove something. Try talking to some generative syntacticians about it...

[waynegg]

Promise.

What kind of scum game is it that votes off his entire team?