Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

Every scum in Xeno went along with your townblock because both teams had the majority of their members in it. Neither of us were aware of who the other team was at the time; I was only slightly suspicious of TD.

So from my perspective, in Xeno, I cleared 8, possibly 9 people by going along with your town block in exchange for protecting the townreads on myself, Rach, and Orc.

In jobpick you and kdub both cleared the fuck out of me day 1, and you were clearing MeowMix pretty constantly.

scum clearing each other w/roleclaims
try again

[BROseidon]

I'm also strongly considering pulling a Kuribo and photoshopping tibetan mastiffs ripping apart all your avatars because of how fucking retarded this bullshit is.

pedit: And he isn't voting for you now. Which is the point I made.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE WANTED YOU LYNCHED YESTERDAY.

SENSE, IT MAKES NONE.

[BROseidon]

scum clearing each other w/roleclaims
try again

Kuribo claimed masons with another scum once.

[waynegg]

Intent to hear your claim

[Nachomamma8]

erm, scum clearing town w/roleclaims
you're right kdub and i cleared you because you were a power role; then we killed you. we cleared meowmix to frame him, then mislynched him. antihero completely 100% cleared two townies in a game where that could fuck him up thanks to poe

[BROseidon]

MY CLAIM IS STILL VT BECAUSE I'M A FUCKING VT. THAT HASN'T CHANGED.

pedit: I can't think of examples off-hand but I can easily theorycraft them.

[Nachomamma8]

The case on me is literally PoE + not wanting to lynch Nacho who is NOT PLAYING HIS TOWN GAME for NO DISCERNIBLE REASON.

poe is pretty awesome w/confirmed town in tow
i'm not playing my town game
i'm not playing my scum game
i'm playing... my game

[Nachomamma8]

scum clearing each other w/roleclaims
try again

Kuribo claimed masons with another scum once.

and he got fucked sideways because it was horribly bad

[Nachomamma8]

what's your rebuttal re: godfather?

[BROseidon]

And I have nowhere said that Anti is probably lying. I've only ever articulated it as a possibility.

pedit: I never said it was a good idea

pedit2: I have 0 mod experience and have no idea how setups work.

[BROseidon]

Like, at this point, I'm going to mod a game with a scum PGO and a godfather with no cop as a giant "fuck you"

[Antihero]

Here's the problem I have with both Nacho and Bro lynches. If either is scum, they offed their entire team. Nacho was even first up on AJ. That doesn't make much sense to me.

yeah, but once you put aside all the paranoia, all the PR claims make sense.

Andy claiming supersaint and then inviting people to lynch him? not likely a scum move, especially given that it's actually still on the table

Trust Fund's vanillaizer claim mostly makes sense. scum don't tend to antagonize their PR reads (like TF did to bro on day 1). I guess we don't know if TF really did target Bro or not, but then again if TF lied about that he would be busted if someone else claimed to be vanillaized or if a tracker targeted him.

Varsoon's claim is pretty solid. If he were a scum vanilla cop, it makes absolutely no sense that he would investigate a claimed PR.

I suppose it's

possible

that Mala redirected venmar on N1 or N2 (and I wish Mac and TD would get in here...), but it's unlikely.

I suspect that I'm picking nacho over bro because I'm being suckered by bro's AtE... hm... that might be problematic...

[Nachomamma8]

pedit2: I have 0 mod experience and have no idea how setups work.

then why wouldn't you listen to other people when they say "this is how setups work"?

[Nachomamma8]

do you think i'm using this speculation to protect my scumbuddy? because OH WAIT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE AS FUCK

[Nachomamma8]

I suspect that I'm picking nacho over bro because I'm being suckered by bro's AtE... hm... that might be problematic...

i can yell at you if you want me to

[BROseidon]

My fits of yelling are coming in between the large amounts of logic that I've posted.

If I were scum, why would I not have been bussed on day 1 after I went V/LA?

If I were scum, why wouldn't I let myself get bussed on day 2 or 3 instead of dragging my team down with me?

If I were scum, why would Desp have attacked me so much for pointing getting people to try to look at the me/Mala interactions to discern what about them were bussing?

For me to be scum, you'd not only have to accept that I bussed my whole team, but I bussed my whole team while ALL OF THEM WERE BUSSING ME, THEREBY BLOWING UP MY TEAM IN THE PROCESS.

[BROseidon]

pedit2: I have 0 mod experience and have no idea how setups work.

then why wouldn't you listen to other people when they say "this is how setups work"?

I'll listen to NS, Wayne, TD, and Mac about how setups work, because they are the only ones that I consider 100% clear. I'll like 95% listen to Anti.

[Antihero]

what the literal hell is this
ANTIHERO
PLEASE READ THIS POST AND GIVE ME YOUR OPINION - TIA

NACHO

I'm trying to talk myself down from being so abrasive with wayne.

DON'T STIR THE POT

anyway, bro, read my most recent conversation with wayne, and that's exactly what I would say to you.

[BROseidon]

anyway, bro, read my most recent conversation with wayne, and that's exactly what I would say to you.

Wayne and I tend to think in similar ways. I just usually gate what I put down more because I realize that I have a tendency to come up with off-the-wall shit that's highly improbable.

Also, where the fuck is Varsoon.

[Antihero]

I suspect that I'm picking nacho over bro because I'm being suckered by bro's AtE... hm... that might be problematic...

i can yell at you if you want me to

... I know... I'm a sucker for AtE...

...because I'm an idiot...

/hangs head in shame

[Nachomamma8]

Wayne and I tend to think in similar ways. I just usually gate what I put down more because I realize that I have a tendency to come up with off-the-wall shit that's highly improbable.

BULLSHIT
YOU DON'T GET TOLD YOUR THEORY IS COMPLETELY FUCKING BATSHIT BY THE PERSON YOU SUSPECT AND YOU GO "OH I'M CRAZY TOO"
NO FUCK THAT SHIT

[Nachomamma8]

ANTIHERO FUCK THAT ATEING SCUMFUCK AND ======[]

[Nachomamma8]

BE VINDICATED THAT I WAS HERE
I WAS TOWN AND I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN
YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T BULLSHIT THE WHOLE "OH ANTIHERO IS TOTALLY NOT CONFIRMED TOWN" BUSINESS LIKE BRO IS DOING AND THEN PLEAD IGNORANCE OF SETUPS AND CRAZINESS

[BROseidon]

But, we can play that game and I'll point out that D1 I pretty stubbornly stayed on Rach and protected Andrius when mollie/ffery were getting sketched out about me because of my townread on him. The only scum who ever got defended by me was mala, who made it into the townblock thanks to mollie's read on her, but that disintegrated pretty quickly. My townblock has been pretty much scum free the whole fucking game, and I haven't made an effort to protect any of my buddies ever, which is something I do pretty often as scum. Take Meta Playstyle Mafia, where I attempted to defend TheTrollie from MattP so I could stop our team from getting horribly fucked up for more than a single second. Or Dixon Hill, where as I went down provided a meta case on the Ms Marangal hydra being town. Open 507 I protected both of my scumpartners until the final day, where I attempted to bus the hell out of one of them. #YOLOville I ended up butting heads with our Traitor early on accident, but protected other two partners until I went down. Resurgence Mafia I bussed one partner hard, then got my other 4 partners in a townblock and took control of everything in town. League of Legends Mafia, replaced in late, came up with a plan to let my lurkfuck partner live another day because she had a cool ability and buddied the hell out of my other partner. There are games that I've played as scum where I've bussed one partner, but me not taking a strong hand in defending a single one of my partners stands out pretty strongly; cabd could probably tell you that if he could meta people decently. Ghostlin's earlier argument that I'm coming up with this argument specifically to push it now is bullshit when it's not a strong enough argument to get me past the 100% confirmed town core of Varsoon, Mac, TD, Antihero, notscience, and Waynegg and the mostly confirmed addition of Andrius. It's not enough to get past trust fund, and my former theory about the scumteam being completely stacked doesn't really hold much water anymore.

Too bad I only have 2 scumgames on record.

In which I bussed 0 partners.

[BROseidon]

BE VINDICATED THAT I WAS HERE
I WAS TOWN AND I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN
YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T BULLSHIT THE WHOLE "OH ANTIHERO IS TOTALLY NOT CONFIRMED TOWN" BUSINESS LIKE BRO IS DOING AND THEN PLEAD IGNORANCE OF SETUPS AND CRAZINESS

Dat scum-level AtE