Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Andrius]

there's some paranoia of trust fund and varsoon that I have to kill.

lynch bro
nacho hammers andrius
lynch trust fund
lynch varsoon

this is seriously how this game goes
we win GUARANTEED

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 6.1

[4] BROseidon (Nachomamma8, TiphaineDeath, Mac, Andrius)
[2] Nachomamma8 (Antihero, BROSeidon)
[1] Andrius (waynegg)

[3] Not Voting (Varsoon, notscience, Trust Fund)

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-28 10:00:00)

[Nachomamma8]

because we're not clearing you for bussing?
because we're not attempting to lynch confirmed town?
because...?

which one of these two questions didn't cover your reasoning for being town.

[BROseidon]

There is 0 cost to lynching Andy.

There is a potential gain.

Not having one of us hammer Andy today is a strictly inferior decision.

pedit: You call it bussing because you make the fundamental assumption that I'm scum without looking at what actually happened.

I never tried to get Anti lynch. I proposed a crazy idea because not considering all possibilities is dumb.

You still haven't articulated why scum would bus Rach over me on day 1.

[Nachomamma8]

Not having one of us hammer Andy today is a strictly inferior decision.

why?

[waynegg]

For Nacho

10. ***Nachomamma8*** ~

Spoiler:

1485 reply to Nick's 873 of TD not voting
Venmar was in reference to FTL's 242 where they berate TD's
Venmar vote. Only problem? TD hadn't voted Venmar by that point.
In fact all the way up to his last post at this point (1385) TD has
yet to actually vote for Venmar, though he had talked about it.
Overall, I really liked Nacho's earlier posts better. This one seems to
come from an informed perspective. Especially the (WK?) defense
of Andy. That part reads like maybe he

did

draw scum and has
some dissonance with letting a buddy be mislynched due to relational
stuff with his slot. Back to null while I mull him over.
1926 on (all Tuesday the 20th posts) show both his commitment to
this game and all the townie goodness I would hope to see in town
Nacho
1986 wouldn't the best way to curb that be to lynch it?
3064 VERY IMPORTANT

[Nachomamma8]

You still haven't articulated why scum would bus Rach over me on day 1.

you're the better player

[Nachomamma8]

There is 0 cost to lynching Andy.

There is a potential gain.

what's the cost of waiting until tomorrow?

[Andrius]

There is a cost to lynching me-

the game goes on another week or two while we wait to lynch you.

[waynegg]

Stupid spoiler tag...

[BROseidon]

Bro hammers Andy:

If both town: Still get Bro lynch, get the Andy 1/2 lynch to save an NL later.
If Andy scum: Game's over.
If Bro scum: Lynch Bro next day, gg.

Just lynch Bro:

If both town: Only get bro lynch, have to NL later or execute same plan tomorrow.
If Andy scum: Andy gets to live untouched.
If Bro scum: Game ends 1 day sooner.

The first plan yields a better result in the first two scenarios, and an even result in the third.

[BROseidon]

You still haven't articulated why scum would bus Rach over me on day 1.

you're the better player

...Thanks for the compliment?

[BROseidon]

Andy, if I'm scum and you flip town, do you think I'd be able to get out of a lynch at that point?

Or even stall a lynch?

It's taken <12 hours to put me to L-1 today. An investigative guilty would make that go faster, no?

[BROseidon]

Okay, I'm off to dinner, and then I have stuff to do tonight.

I'll be back later, but I won't be able to live-chat like this because fuck real world shit.

[Nachomamma8]

execute same plan tomorrow.

I would be hammering Andrius tomorrow.
Both things have the same result.

If Andy scum: Andy gets to live untouched.

Until tomorrow, when we lynch him.

The two things are completely equal.

[Andrius]

No.
No.
Yes.

[waynegg]

execute same plan tomorrow.

I would be hammering Andrius tomorrow.
Both things have the same result.

If Andy scum: Andy gets to live untouched.

Until tomorrow, when we lynch him.

The two things are completely equal.

Except you could renig for *reasons* or have been killed, etc. today we have bro who will be speed lynched if he doesn't follow through on hammer. Andy WIFOM is gone and we get to odd numbers.

[Nachomamma8]

no one will renig.

[waynegg]

Why not just do the same thing today with bro? I don't understand the resistance.

[Nachomamma8]

Andy is very likely town thanks to his claim and his play. BRO is not as likely town.

[notscience]

VOTE: Bro

[waynegg]

Andy is very likely town thanks to his claim and his play. BRO is not as likely town.

And wouldn't that just seal his fate tomorrow without it hanging on a m/l to XYLO? I realize you and Andy decided early on to go out in a blaze of glory with each other and all, but the lynch Andy to get nacho just makes more sense. And notscience is voting BRO...

[waynegg]

Bro. Not nacho. Meh.

[Mac]

pedit2: I have 0 mod experience and have no idea how setups work.

then why wouldn't you listen to other people when they say "this is how setups work"?

I'll listen to NS, Wayne, TD, and Mac about how setups work, because they are the only ones that I consider 100% clear. I'll like 95% listen to Anti.

hello. set-ups work in mysterious ways, bro. it shouldn't take a confirmed town to tell you this, but listen to what everyone else has said. i don't know why you are throwing your toys out of the pram like this. why not listen to anyone else?

godfather = likely cop claims are legit. whether two cop claims are legit is another thing, but we'll get to that.

ps: we should let varsoon claim his results before we hammer.

[BROseidon]

hello. set-ups work in mysterious ways, bro. it shouldn't take a confirmed town to tell you this, but listen to what everyone else has said. i don't know why you are throwing your toys out of the pram like this. why not listen to anyone else?

Because:

1) Possible scum-influence for most of the game.

2) I've been very out of lockstep with most of the players this game. Other than sort of Wayne, I haven't gotten into a groove with anyone, which has made it hard to work with people across the board.