Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

I had absolutely no idea that you were an emotional person; you seemed calm in games, and I figured play today was more along the lines of "cheeky scumfuck" as opposed to incredibly angry town.

Normally I'm very calm, but I have an explosive temper IRL that's gotten me in massive trouble a few times.

[Trust Fund]

Huh. Well, if you're town and not hammertrolling, I guess this is where we lynch nacho tomorrow?

[BROseidon]

No, you bully Nacho into hammering Andy because THERE IS LITERALLY NOT REASON NOT TO.

YOU ARE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THIS COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

[BROseidon]

Do you guys have any idea how infuriating it is that you all are failing at basic decision making?

[Nachomamma8]

Most of my play yesterday was considering and nailing down possibilities. I've looked into the roleclaims earlier and they seem to check out.

[Nachomamma8]

No, you bully Nacho into hammering Andy because THERE IS LITERALLY NOT REASON NOT TO.

YOU ARE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THIS COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

This will happen, don't worry.

[Trust Fund]

No, you bully Nacho into hammering Andy because THERE IS LITERALLY NOT REASON NOT TO.

YOU ARE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THIS COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

Yeah that's what I meant.

[BROseidon]

A vanilla cop doesn't make sense as a scum role because...

TF not having fakeclaimed makes sense because...

You're not being paranoid enough if you're town. I'm pretty sure I've given my "treat the game probabilistically" speech before.

A lot of why people fail at mafia is the same reasons why people fail at investing money.

[BROseidon]

Yeah that's what I meant.

Then say that >:C

[BROseidon]

Hey bork can you do me a favor and just post the flip without flavor to vindicate me sooner?

[Nachomamma8]

A vanilla cop doesn't make sense as a scum role because...

A vanilla cop does make sense as a scum role. What doesn't make sense as scum is FTL being tracked to Trust Fund after he claimed one-shot scum vanillaizer; scum roles are used primarily as a counter of town roles, and so countering the town role of what's essentially vanilla is pretty fucking unlikely.

[Nachomamma8]

TF not having fakeclaimed makes sense because...

That's a possibility included in the plan.

[BROseidon]

Scum afraid of a fakeclaim? Especially after the Venmar WIFOM mess?

You're a better player than this if you're town.

[BROseidon]

Normally I'm very calm, but I have an explosive temper IRL that's gotten me in massive trouble a few times.

Actually on this point.

Has nobody ever bothered looking at my avatar before?

There's a reason why I chose a TIBETAN FUCKING MASTIFF.

[Nachomamma8]

You're not being paranoid enough if you're town. I'm pretty sure I've given my "treat the game probabilistically" speech before.

You can go round and round and round and round with the paranoia merry go-round but there needs to be a point where you stop being paranoid and stop moving forward because you've thought long enough and hard enough about the options. I got to that point where we could take care of 5/10 players, 3 of them are absolutely 100% town, waynegg is town beyond all reasonable doubt (and most of the unreasonable doubt as well), and Antihero has play and roleclaim to bring him into the town circle.

Pedit: Hence why Varsoon is the final lynch.

[waynegg]

Like seriously I'll bake you cookies or something.

<3

[Nachomamma8]

Scum afraid of a fakeclaim? Especially after the Venmar WIFOM mess?

You're a better player than this if you're town.

The second point that makes this more unlikely is Venmar/Metal Sonic's chronic crumbing: they claimed at one point to "find your vanilla ice cream" which means that they were completely ready to claim their vanilla cop (role cop or whatever they-scum would be) status and have it guided on town on scummy players. This seemed like an unlikely move to me, thus they move down in scumminess.

[BROseidon]

How do investigates that are redirected get returned by the mod.

Ie, if an investigate on TD got redirected, would Venmar have known who the new target was?

[Nachomamma8]

If Antihero's investigate PM says "X is innocent", then he is informed of the redirect. If not, probably not.

[Nachomamma8]

Huh. Well,

if you're town and not hammertrolling,

I guess this is where we lynch nacho tomorrow?

this seemed off.

[BROseidon]

TF is after you, remember?

[Nachomamma8]

I know. I'm just looking at things now that you're town.

[waynegg]

If you're town, take your mislynch with honor that you're playing a gamebreaking win strategy, and give us your reads other than
"it has to be nacho guyz." because if you flip town, we're lynching your number one scum suspect tomorrow. If you're scum, eat your game loss.

Umm...wasn't Nacho supposed to go first on that gamebreaking win strategy? And you're on BRO?

[waynegg]

Scum(s), let me make this clear to you: there is no way in hell you're going to lynch me, and I have a particular set of skills in which I will not rest until I either completely stymie your plans or you kill me. All of the plotting that Mastin and I have done have lead up to the next few days. This will not be a repeat of Saga. You will fall and you will lose.

Town. Ideally, you should lynch roughly in this order:

Nacho
BRO
TF
and if somehow we've not won at that point, Andy/FTL depending on which one of them is alive. No, I don't believe they're scum, I seriously believe one of the above three, and I'd place it roughly 65% Nacho, is the remaining scum.

[Nachomamma8]

One of Nacho/BRO
Remaining one hammers Andrius
Lynch TF