Mini 1508 ~ Tales of uPick ~ Error

[Syryana]

Catchup's gonna have to wait.

[fferyllt]

What are your thoughts on my

made up shit

case, fferylit?

I doubt I'll get past weighing-things-up mode wrt to Cabd today tbh.

[notscience]

He's not particularly trolling after that opening sequence.

[fferyllt]

He's not particularly trolling after that opening sequence.

True. As I kind of expect. It's about the tone of the trolling. And maybe the targets. Not the duration. And there are differences in his play once he is down to business, too.

See how long it takes to get down to business in this town game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27049

And this one, which IMO is on the exuberant end of his town style: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27202

And here's a scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30280 His early trolling is kinda perfunctory and he lurks hardcore in that one. It was a difficult game for scum and I love linking to it in games with Syr and Cabd because town owned hard in that game.

And another: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27641 Same lower key trollery, but actually a damn busy game for him. Look at how he points out how many pages he has to catch up on and starts right in on the busy work. Compare that to his attitude in this game.

[Sakura Hana]

follow-up: I've played with you I think on at least two separate occasions and you were not wagoned on D1 in either of them; do you actually get lynched D1 a lot?

Matrix 6 was before I was suddenly inflicted with a streak of bad luck after breaking my 100% town win rate, and Xenologue i didnt even get to post on D1, yet i was flashwagoned and i self-hammered at the end of D2, dont remember any other games we played together.

@ns: I dont OMGUS, and I don't think Iso's scummy yet, dunno what you got that idea that i OMGUS+AtE when town, if anything my Old meta was that I self-vote + AtE as either alignment.

[Skullduggery]

At which point did you indicate you thought Cabd wasn't scum?

I didn't -- and since I didn't, that means I should be okay with voting him? Can you explain that logical leap, please? I don't follow.

I apply the paranoia thing to everyone.

Including yourself? Does your alignment affect this strategy?

My logic is that you only don't have to be paranoid about someone if you already know their alignment. Then you either cooperate or go for the throat.

So according to this logic, because Sakura Hana is paranoid of you, that means she doesn't know your alignment, which means she's Town, right? Then why are you voting for her?

Why does one have to vote for who they think is scum?

Can't tell if this is a serious question or not...

And fine! If everyone wants me to vote VOTE: Cabd.

Why do you seem so reluctant to vote for a Scum read? You act like this is something that you're doing begrudgingly. I don't understand why.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I have my vote on her for lolz.
Also, i believe i said that I think that paranoia is not strictly a town tell.

[SXTLHGaiden]

For the other question, of course. I am hyper paranoid (this helped me win a game in college once). the only thing my alignment changes is the type of paranoia I use. When town it is "everybody but me is scum unless otherwise noted" paranoia. When scum it is "all townies have PR unless otherwise noted" paranoia.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Is this a wrong stance to take?

[Elize Lutus]

Teepo, what are you doing? Stop that!

*continues tormenting wasps*

The Fifth Tally of Votes (AKA I am so not smarter than a 5th grader)

Cabd ~2~ pitoli, Natirasha
Natirasha
notscience ~1~ Syryana
Syryana
Sakura Hana ~3~ SXTLHGaiden, Iso, notscience
fferyllt
The Acting Method
borkjerfkin
SXTLHGaiden ~2~ Cabd, Sakura Hana
Skullduggery
pitoli
Hanasawa
Iso
End Day

Not Voting: fferyllt, The Acting Method, Hanasawa, Skullduggery, borkjerfkin

With

13

healthy players, it takes

7

to incapacitate someone.

Hanasawa is LA for ~1 month but is expected to post.

Deadline:

94%

[Iso]

Iso lets make a townbloc

Nati you can be a part of it too because I really really liked that point about Cabd

I'm actually not too sure about Nati right now. I'll get back to you on that one later.

hi

die

His point on Cabd is one of the same things that initially popped into my head.

Well now I don't remember if I like Cabd or not.

Judgment pending on a Cabd flip.

From what part of "explain why you're not reading scumSakura" do you get "explain why you're reading townSakura"?

What part of Sakura being scum have you not picked up on?

Please read through their posts and walk me through the town motivation you see.

I don't want to mince words but that's how your post came off.

Let's start over: I am null on Sakura at the point I made that post.

Since then, I don't particularly like her flavor of AtE this game, but her content is minimal and I don't see any inherent scum motivation in anything she's done.

Okay.

As for my dislike of Sakura this game:

VOTE: notscience

Policy.

I like this wagon

Vote: notscience

Also:

it takes 7 to spontaneously assault someone with a wooden sword.

This made me lol

I agree with bork that Cabd is pretty town atm.

The tone of this post is all wrong. It's too cautious and unnatural.

^
I wonder if you have that in a notepad and ready for eveyrtime anyone asks about ffery's paranoia.

Subtle mudslinging despite alleged townread.

Actually

Vote: Gaiden

You won't get away this time with a newbie card.

It's far too late in the game for an RVS vote at this point.

@Gaiden: Good! so drop the fluff and start scumhunting

The scumhunting that you're doing...right?

Indeed, if anything i have played more games with Cabd enough to be paranoid of him.

...despite reading him as town

hadn't really looked at her, but on a quick read a have a question for her:

@Sakura: elaborate on 72? Is that affecting your read of him this game?

Not really, I do have a town read on him atm, I don't like to go by paranoia just because I know he can pull all sorts of gambits and stuff, plus paranoia is annoying.

Then why bring it up?

The thing is, If i get paranoia just because people are pretty good players I'm gonna end up like in Xenologue where i can't read anything at all, I'm trying to improve here, not to go hide behind my paranoia. And yes that means I'm legitly townreading Cabd and legitly townreading Gaiden, tho I guess i need to revote him

Unvote
Vote: Gaiden

Going to try to be less flip floppy with votes this game due to that weird mechanic I guess.

"I am legitimately townreading this person, so I'm going to revote them, except I'm going to change my votes around less because of deadlines, except I just changed my vote again to a townread." What?

Also, why wouldn't Sakura have "legitimate" townreads at this point? The language here implies that there are reasons for Sakura to not be "legitimately" reading them as town. Such as a scum role PM.

Though when I did, i accidentally got a townie lynched.

Ohai

Oh wait, you were scum that game, nevermind.

Pointless banter, subtle suggestion that Gaiden is scum despite the alleged townread.

it's most likely to work like battery deadlines i guess.

where is the content

I'm secretly a double voter obv

WHERE IS THE CONTENT

Oh hey, despite me trying to improve guess I'm always going to be D1's wagon huh.

Defeatist AtE. Not attempting to dissuade the wagon in any logical way.

-

So yeah, bork, those are my issues with Sakura. Active lurking, no scumhunting, useless mod speculation, subtle mudslinging, and no relevant content. Any questions?

follow-up: I've played with you I think on at least two separate occasions and you were not wagoned on D1 in either of them; do you actually get lynched D1 a lot?

Matrix 6 was before I was suddenly inflicted with a streak of bad luck after breaking my 100% town win rate, and Xenologue i didnt even get to post on D1, yet i was flashwagoned and i self-hammered at the end of D2, dont remember any other games we played together.

@ns: I dont OMGUS, and I don't think Iso's scummy yet, dunno what you got that idea that i OMGUS+AtE when town, if anything my Old meta was that I self-vote + AtE as either alignment.

Do you believe I will be scummy by the end of the game?

[SXTLHGaiden]

*legitly scumreading Gaiden.

[SXTLHGaiden]

If you are gonna wall post, make sure all the content is correct.

[SXTLHGaiden]

The more I read that post, the more I dislike it. Had your post been short, I could overlook you missing Sakura's correction. However, based on its length, you took your time and also went through her ISO. You couldn't have missed it. I'm wondering if you were trying to start a death train with this post.

[Iso]

Oh wow. I thought the typo Sakura was fixing in that post was something about how "legitly" was spelled.

Second time I've proven I can't read in this game.

[Iso]

Let me see if that actually changes anything.

[Iso]

Yeah that doesn't actually change much - just the part about intentionally diminishing the deadline. There's still no scumhunting, no explanation, all active lurking, etc.

[Natirasha]

Can someone with more experience with Gaiden actually tell me if he always pulls the ns gambit like this?

Anyways, I was hammiing it up, Skullduggery. I was going to vote Cabd at some point, but I mean, I have to get in character.

[SXTLHGaiden]

^ lol "experience with Gaiden."

[Natirasha]

Well, you have a quote form Saki in your sig so you've clearly played with someone in this game likely.

[Sakura Hana]

Can someone with more experience with Gaiden actually tell me if he always pulls the ns gambit like this?

Not sure, but you can read this if you want: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901 only game i've had with him.

[SXTLHGaiden]

So what is the "ns gambit"?

[Iso]

I'm pretty sure Sakura and Gaiden are scumbuddies.

Someone else can make that case because I'm liable to misread posts again.

[Natirasha]

So what is the "ns gambit"?

A gambit I started back in 2008. It essentially goes "act scummy and murky as possible to excuse my weird behavior as town". I calll it the ns gambit since he (used to) utilize it a lot.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I see, thanks.