You know you've been playing mafia for too long when you can't hear this statement without adding "in front of me!".
In post 309, elleheathen wrote:Srs? So you like posting of incorrect information presented as facts and blatant misreps - because that's all Mae has posted. And yet somehow that 'screams town' to you - because of
tone
?
Ironically enough, this itself is a 'misrep', because you're saying I think Mae's town for nothing more than tone.
There's a whole hell of a lot more than that, but to humor you, even IF there was JUST the tone...yes, that'd be enough.
What do you think about my questions to Mae in 172, since a lot of your reasoning for thinking they are town is answered in that post for why the exact same posts make me think scum.
Quite frankly, I ignored them. Don't even know what you asked; wasn't paying attention to them.
[Deleted a part which effectively said "Grimgroove, what the heck are you smoking", since he apparently came back sober and realized he was on some kind of trip.
Below is relevant to it, though.]
The interactions between funky and Mhork don't look like scum-scum. I said this before. I am still saying it now.
I have scumreads on both of them. My scumreads on both of them come from a combination of bad posting from both of them, and POE townreads on most of the other players. So they're both scumreads, separate from one another.
While them both being town is possible, for both of them to be town requires me to be wrong on AT LEAST one townread, not to mention, a minimum of two of my three scumreads*. And I'd like to think I'm a more competent player than that. So, YES. I don't think it's town-town. Nor have I ever thought it was town-town.
In fact, while the interactions don't look like scum-scum, I still think that, somehow, it's possible for it to be scum-scum. (Put it another way--don't look like scum-scum, but feel like they could be scum-scum.)
*Not to mention, their interactions don't look like townVtown, either. Read their interactions yourself and tell me you think they're both town. Seriously. It's not a town-town interaction.
And since you've asked:
The reason their interaction doesn't look like scum-scum is, basically, the entirety of their interaction. For them to be scum requires them to be cross-bussing at each others' throats and for them to basically be sabotaging their chances of winning. Also, both players look like they're trying to manipulate the town into lynching each other. If they were both scum, you'd expect them to be trying to manipulate the town into thinking they're both town. Instead, it looks like they're dead-set against each other. I'll see if I can get the quotes, but that'll have to wait until after I finish the Mae defense that I started yesterday.
In post 311, Grimgroove wrote:What "move"? There is no "move"...
She didn't draw attention on herself. Other people PUT attention on her, and with her latest godawful post she lazily tried to squirm her way out of that attention field.
This is more than Mae just not participating a lot. She tried to give off the air of participation when pulling the "Mhork is sheeping"-thing, and then giving some half-assed reads on everyone in her last post. Of course it's coming from scum, there's no reason at all not to think so.
Lack of a move is a move itself. The lack of a move drew attention to her. And she's not squirming her way out of the attention field. She's casually brushing it off. And she's not trying to give off the air of participation. She's half-assing participation for sure, but I see no scum objective in doing so.
Of course it's not going to be scum. Yeah, there's reason to think it would be so, but it's never going to happen in practice. Seriously. I've been in 130+ games by now. In all my time...I seriously, legitimately, do not think I've ever seen a single case of a scum player doing what Mae is doing. I HAVE seen BUNDLE-loads of town players doing it. Hell, I've done it myself a whole bunch of times, admittedly. Seriously. This isn't that hard to understand. Mae's mislynch bait, and you've fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
Town. I like to think of myself as fairly decent at reading Mala (though my memory's probably biased; she probably knows how accurately/inaccurately I read her better than I do
), and I'm reading her as town, here. My memory is fairly faulty, but I believe that almost every time she's been scum, I've correctly pegged her as such almost immediately, and thus, almost every time she's been town, I've also pegged her correctly. (But again, she probably remembers me reading her better than I do.
)
Anyway, will be finishing the Mae case I started yesterday. Not immediately, but in the near-future.
