Newbie 1425 Part Deux -- Game Over

[RayFrost]

What about the votes say that

[Guyett]

evil did you miss 130?

That comment you pulled up was one thing I disagreed with from one of her posts. I don't like the way she is bigging me up here to be scum by saying I'd be a capable scum but without actually giving relevant reasons for why I'm actually scum here

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.07

L-1 RachMarie - 4 - RayFrost, singersigner, Guyett, ObsessedWithCats
Guyett - 2 - RachMarie, Evil Regals
ArcAngel9 - 1 - ChaosOmega
RayFrost - 1 - ArcAngel9
singersigner - 1 - innocentvillager

Not Voting: ...

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-10-17 14:21:42)

V/LA: singersigner, through Thursday October 17

[ObsessedWithCats]

I'd be starting to doubt my vote on RachMarie given that more people than could possibly be scum with her have said she's being townish, if it weren't for the fact that not one of them has satisfactorily explained

how

she's town. I'd very much like Evil Regals to explain what she's seeing in the voting patterns, and ArcAngel9 to explain how exactly this game has been an example of Rach's town meta.

I take it No Lynch is not an option we're comfortable with as a whole? I don't recall it being something anyone was particularly enthusiastic about last time.

[Guyett]

No lynch sucks.
We need info so we lynch someone

[RachMarie]

NL should not be an option period. I would rather see Guyett who is a scum read to me lynched, but it would be better that I be mislynched than a NL

[Guyett]

Not on D1 anyway.

[innocentvillager]

NL should not be an option period. I would rather see Guyett who is a scum read to me lynched, but it would be better that I be mislynched than a NL

Ugh I honestly think Rach might be town. Sure you can argue it's wifom to try and sweettalk us out of this but she should know we're experienced enough to not fall for that. Looks like a townie sticking to principle...

I'd be fine with Guyett, honestly

VOTE: Guyett

[ArcAngel9]

Arc you keep sayin this is town Rach -- but you haven't bothered to explain why.

Because i have played with Rach as scum and town. I know how scum rach thinks.. she rach would never read me town and scum rach lurk lurk lurks a lot.. just like Rach did that before reboot. Remember i read her as scum in last game and she turned out to be scum, Isn't it. Trust me i know how to read Rach for sure...


And Ray, that was pretty good post but i am not completely convinced becuz there is indeed variance in your play that doesn't seem to be as same town behavior of you but as you said it is may be possible becuz in last game the situation was pretty upside down. the only thing that i don't see in you now from last game is that you were very town motivated, you manage to see through a town member despite the lurkyness and multiple mistakes and i feel that sincerity is now missing in this game.

And my next suspect who i am pretty sure is scum is Guyett.. All of his post of this day seem very opportunist.
He pushed Rach wagon with no real content in it.. and when i defended her, he joined me with Rach and started calling both of us scum.. this is so obvious.

VOTE: Guyett

[Guyett]

wooo go go gadget mislynch

one day left and I'm just a VT. you may hammer away

[Guyett]

AA9 I had called you scum before you defended her... remember when I voted for you? Nice misrep though

[Guyett]

NL should not be an option period. I would rather see Guyett who is a scum read to me lynched, but it would be better that I be mislynched than a NL

Ugh I honestly think Rach might be town. Sure you can argue it's wifom to try and sweettalk us out of this but she should know we're experienced enough to not fall for that. Looks like a townie sticking to principle...

I'd be fine with Guyett, honestly

VOTE: Guyett

Bullshit. I've seen both town and scum say this. How do you know this isn't simply scum begging for town cred with a rent a townie quote

[Guyett]

Arc you keep sayin this is town Rach -- but you haven't bothered to explain why.

Because i have played with Rach as scum and town. I know how scum rach thinks.. she rach would never read me town and scum rach lurk lurk lurks a lot.. just like Rach did that before reboot. Remember i read her as scum in last game and she turned out to be scum, Isn't it. Trust me i know how to read Rach for sure...


And Ray, that was pretty good post but i am not completely convinced becuz there is indeed variance in your play that doesn't seem to be as same town behavior of you but as you said it is may be possible becuz in last game the situation was pretty upside down. the only thing that i don't see in you now from last game is that you were very town motivated, you manage to see through a town member despite the lurkyness and multiple mistakes and i feel that sincerity is now missing in this game.

And my next suspect who i am pretty sure is scum is Guyett.. All of his post of this day seem very opportunist.
He pushed Rach wagon with no real content in it.. and when i defended her, he joined me with Rach and started calling both of us scum.. this is so obvious.

VOTE: Guyett

your reads on ray and rach here are wishy washy as fuck. it could be scum or town... I

feel

this is scum ray because he doesn't share the same read on rach as I do.
FUCKING BULLSHIT

ISO me... quote all of my posts and say if they're opportunistic or not.
highlight the posts with the push on rach (don't forget my post with my read list)

[ObsessedWithCats]

she should know we're experienced enough to not fall for that.

If she

is

just doing it to try and convince us she's town

you just fell for it

, so she doesn't need to know better.

Guyett's also now at L - 1 if I'm counting the votes right, just to warn anyone who's thinking of jumping ship onto that wagon.

[RayFrost]

If guyett is lynched my divine fury will rain down on

all of you

.

I will dissect what's wrong with innocent's logic and break down how horribly unfulfilling arcangel's post is in the next post.

[RayFrost]

Firstly:

NS, what's the countdown for finding a replacement for chaosomega?

NL should not be an option period. I would rather see Guyett who is a scum read to me lynched, but it would be better that I be mislynched than a NL

Ugh I honestly think Rach might be town. Sure you can argue it's wifom to try and sweettalk us out of this but she should know we're experienced enough to not fall for that. Looks like a townie sticking to principle...

I'd be fine with Guyett, honestly

VOTE: Guyett

I said I was going to break down your logic, but you provide

absolutely none

as to why guyett is scum. You're simply voting him because you aren't going to vote RMarie.

Unacceptable

. Reasons or die.

As scum or town there is significant motivation to say "lynch me." As scum, it prevents the reads from holding over and getting you killed the next game day but with

more discussion around you to figure out your buddy via connections

.

As town, it prevents a no lynch and guarantees information.

It's really a null tell that means absolutely nothing in regards to alignment as there is no actual great motivation to say it to begin with unless you believe that both of the above stated reasons are actually valid, in which case it's still null because that means there's motivation for either side.

In my actual opinion there is no point in saying it. It's completely obvious. It's basically giving us permission to lynch her. She really doesn't have a choice. Saying it changes

nothing

.

Now if she had said she'd be willing to vote herself to avoid no lynch, then

that

would be arguably town motivated (as in you could argue the point. I don't think it would be a tell regarding alignment but you would at least have a half of a burnt leg to stand on, which I would cut off swiftly after you tried walking)

Now, on to arcangel.

Because i have played with Rach as scum and town. I know how scum rach thinks.. she rach would never read me town and scum rach lurk lurk lurks a lot.. just like Rach did that before reboot. Remember i read her as scum in last game and she turned out to be scum, Isn't it. Trust me i know how to read Rach for sure...


And Ray, that was pretty good post but i am not completely convinced becuz there is indeed variance in your play that doesn't seem to be as same town behavior of you but as you said it is may be possible becuz in last game the situation was pretty upside down. the only thing that i don't see in you now from last game is that you were very town motivated, you manage to see through a town member despite the lurkyness and multiple mistakes and i feel that sincerity is now missing in this game.

And my next suspect who i am pretty sure is scum is Guyett.. All of his post of this day seem very opportunist.
He pushed Rach wagon with no real content in it.. and when i defended her, he joined me with Rach and started calling both of us scum.. this is so obvious.

VOTE: Guyett

First, one of the major reasons I find RMarie scummy is the fact she

was active lurking for the majority of the game

(until she was called out for it and specifically told what content to provide). So this lurk lurk scum meta is in line with the case against her.

That game had so many people who were clearly town that it limited the scope to a small number of people who could possibly be scum, meaning your (and I quote your list from that game) "unsure possibly scum" read on RMarie is completely unimpressive in terms of being able to read her.

In regards to your post about me, it reads as the most hedge-your-bets back away from calling someone scum that I have seen in a while. "Your post is good but idk last game you called someone town and it felt sincere and this game it doesn't feel sincere." I called guyett town despite several people calling him scum this game, for one. For two, I replaced into that game with people attacking someone that I read as town so I defended them and moved on to who I felt was scum. Much akin to how I defended guyett then moved on this game. Since we're making so many comparisons.

The entire reasoning behind not being sure if I'm town or not is basically "everything you're doing is townish to me but I just don't feel like you're town." There's a limit to what gut can excuse. Not. Buying. It.

Your vote on guyett is "he called me and RMarie scum for calling him scum so he's scum."

Which is doing the exact same thing you're accusing him of doing.

[Nobody Special]

Searching for a replacement for ChaosOmega. (Ray: About three hours ago as of this post.)

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.08

L-1 Guyett - 4 - RachMarie, Evil Regals, innocentvillager, ArcAngel9
L-1 RachMarie - 4 - RayFrost, singersigner, Guyett, ObsessedWithCats
ArcAngel9 - 1 - ChaosOmega

Not Voting: ...

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-10-17 14:21:42)

V/LA: singersigner, through Thursday October 17

[RayFrost]

Thank you for the information.

Now all we need is a deadline extension for the replacement... ;P

[Guyett]

not long until deadline. I'm sure we don't want a repeat of last games messing so if it gets to the stage where we still aren't making a decision I will self hammer. I am only a VT so it is not a big loss. Hopefully you will be able to analyse the wagon to find scum.

[Nobody Special]

There will be a deadline extension.

[Nobody Special]

With a quickness that defies description, Wisdom replaces ChaosOmega effective immediately.

New deadline next votecount.

[RayFrost]

OH SUP WISDOM HOW YAH DOING BEEN A WHILE

[Wisdom]

Hello.

Will read soon.

[Guyett]

excellent it's wisdom