Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:05 am

In post 1573, Cabd wrote:Because i'm the shoe in lynch at LYLO. And that will lose the game. It's better to lynch me now (hurry the fuck up notscience) and go from there tomorrow.

Easy, we lynch scum today and tomorrow wont be LYLO, lynching you would guarantee LYLO tomorrow tho.

Wisdom · Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:06 am

In post 1573, Cabd wrote:Because i'm the shoe in lynch at LYLO. And that will lose the game. It's better to lynch me now (hurry the fuck up notscience) and go from there tomorrow.

So instead of trying to lynch scum, which would put us at NOT-LYLO tomorrow, you prefer to suicide? How will that help town?

Cabd · Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:06 am

The odds of mislynching today and then lynching me tomorrow are non-zero and I don't like those odds.

Wisdom · Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:10 am

In post 1577, Cabd wrote:The odds of mislynching today and then lynching me tomorrow are non-zero and I don't like those odds.

The odds of mislynching tomorrow are not zero either. If you are actually town, this is really stupid and I don't think you are stupid.

Bert · Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:12 am

In post 1577, Cabd wrote:The odds of mislynching today and then lynching me tomorrow are non-zero and I don't like those odds.

Thought you said Wisdom was definitely scum. Also, how sure are you that ns is scum?

In post 1575, Sakura Hana wrote:Easy, we lynch scum today and tomorrow wont be LYLO, lynching you would guarantee LYLO tomorrow tho.

If ns is scum, who's his partner?? Trying to see this from your POV.

Now I'm gonna go look back at Kaze's play with the PR claim out now.

Oh, wait, Ffery, you're the one who said that Kaze's play gave you no vibes of PR, and that your PR-dar is very sensitive. Weird...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:14 am

In post 1579, Bert wrote:If ns is scum, who's his partner?? Trying to see this from your POV.

Either you or wisdom.
If ffery's scum then she has me fooled so far, but i'm not discounting that possibility

fferyllt · Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:20 am

In post 1579, Bert wrote:
In post 1577, Cabd wrote:The odds of mislynching today and then lynching me tomorrow are non-zero and I don't like those odds.
Thought you said Wisdom was definitely scum. Also, how sure are you that ns is scum?

In post 1575, Sakura Hana wrote:Easy, we lynch scum today and tomorrow wont be LYLO, lynching you would guarantee LYLO tomorrow tho.
If ns is scum, who's his partner?? Trying to see this from your POV.

Now I'm gonna go look back at Kaze's play with the PR claim out now.

Oh, wait, Ffery, you're the one who said that Kaze's play gave you no vibes of PR, and that your PR-dar is very sensitive. Weird...

Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's too sensitive and I get false positives. You probably remember that in my catch up in the mismatched game I totally missed Beast's PR slip.

In semi-open games, I usually do pretty well. All the gambiting in this game has thrown up a ton of dust.

Bert · Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:23 am

Ffery, if Kaze did crumb Doc at all, then that makes me feel a tad bit better.

fferyllt · Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:33 am

In post 1582, Bert wrote:Ffery, if Kaze did crumb Doc at all, then that makes me feel a tad bit better.

I haven't found a crumb, but I'm not that good at spotting crumbs. I see behaviors, usually, not crumbs. In the environment where I learned mafia nobody crumbed roles, and results crumbs were subtle.

Re-reading through his ISO, the thing that kinda stands out is that he looked confident when people suspected him, like he wasn't worried about being lynched. To me, that's a pretty strong PR tell. Also, post 649 in retrospect, blowing up about a premature VT claim could be PR-motivated.

fferyllt · Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:45 am

All the gambiting in a game this size has been to the point of being detrimental. Even so, my bad for not seeing that attitude in Kaze' posts before. I was literally moments from hammering him when Wisdom replaced in. I want to blame Cabd for pushing to lynch and save mala looking for a replacement, but that was totally my decision and would totally have been my fault.

Bert · Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:54 am

In post 1583, fferyllt wrote:I haven't found a crumb, but I'm not that good at spotting crumbs. I see behaviors, usually, not crumbs. In the environment where I learned mafia nobody crumbed roles, and results crumbs were subtle.

Re-reading through his ISO, the thing that kinda stands out is that he looked confident when people suspected him, like he wasn't worried about being lynched. To me, that's a pretty strong PR tell. Also, post 649 in retrospect, blowing up about a premature VT claim could be PR-motivated.

Oh, I never knew that confidence is a strong PR tell. 649 I felt was overreacting, but that may explain why he/she *seemed* so displeased with my claim, to say the least.

notscience · Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:58 am

Ffery I'm a VT but don't hammer Cabd yet because I'm loving the scum theatre

Btw, Sakura's been tunneling too, yet she isn't getting called out

Wisdom · Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:03 am

ns who is Cabd's buddy?

fferyllt · Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:20 am

In post 1564, Bert wrote:
In post 1559, Wisdom wrote:Bert what's with the fencesitting? On one line you state you don't like Sakura's Cabd townread and in the other you say you don't like my claim. Clarify your stance.

pedit: I answered that already. Cabd is not an emotional player, the sole purpose is to appeal to Sakura who is an emotional player and flails similarly. Possibly to agi too, yes.
Your claim makes me paranoid. It's hard to shake that off when Sakura just did that in her last game. Same play, same scenario. Can you see that from my POV?

Sorry about my stance not being clear. VOTE is going CABD's way. NOT moving, never ever ever ever

That emotional manipulation is just too blatant and I don't trust him with a ten-foot pole. Add onto that his play in this game I can't see as town. The gambit, the weird tension-filled "reads" on me.

BUT, there is a part inside me that is paranoid about this being one of those fake doc claims. Also, I do not have confidence in reading you. You skated by in 1402 during my one day there. Add to that the fact that I haven't liked Kaze at all since Day 1 and was on that wagon.

But there was no momentum on Cabd and I didn't think it possible to lynch him, what with Sakura's hard-defending, etc., etc. and them saying that the game is an auto-win as Cabd, Sakura, agi102 are conftown. That stuff resonantes with me still.

I *think* Cabd is scum. And I think the AtE is a load of bull and should be disregarded.

Ffery/cabd as a team? ffery/kaze? What throws me off is she has come in expressing willingness to hammer *both.* I have had Ffery as town but I've also been paranoid
because I haven't seen her as scum
and she has fooled Cabd several times before.

Wait, what is this shit? I replaced in to your scum team in Mismatched.

Bert · Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:23 am

In post 1588, fferyllt wrote:Wait, what is this shit? I replaced in to your scum team in Mismatched.

LOL

That is a brain fart. But that game doesn't count, because I didn't get to look in an objective lens and see if I can catch you, if that makes sense. It's just not the same, that's probably why I spouted that without thinking about it.

It's like how Wisdom was scum with me in Polygamist, but that doesn't count like in 1402 Newbie I had no idea what to expect. And same with Cabd, he was on my team in Mismatched, but as you see here I'm still uber-paranoid and don't know what exactly to expect.

Bert · Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:24 am

There's something about confirmation bias that renders those games where I know exactly what is going on more blurry, it makes it much different when our alignments are unknown. If you're scum here, this is the first time I've seen you as scum while playing *against* you.

notscience · Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:25 am

In post 1587, Wisdom wrote:ns who is Cabd's buddy?

Sakura because she's a GF.

Bert or Ffery.

Wisdom · Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:26 am

Bert or Ffery?

notscience · Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:28 am

Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy, Bert is more scummy.

Wisdom · Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:31 am

Why is Bert scummy?

fferyllt · Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:32 am

In post 1593, notscience wrote:Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy

What does this mean?

Bert · Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:32 am

In post 1593, notscience wrote:Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy, Bert is more scummy.

Wisdom asked you who, and you can't give one answer.

Why is that? Who is more likely, who do you *think* is scum with Cabd if Cabd's scum?

notscience · Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:32 am

In post 1595, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1593, notscience wrote:Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy
What does this mean?

Don't bus unless you need to

Bert's waffling is extremely scummy, I know he waffles sometimes but looking a 1402 and 532 where we were together it seemed minimal compared to now

fferyllt · Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:35 am

In post 1597, notscience wrote:
In post 1595, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1593, notscience wrote:Ffery works better towards Cabd's philosophy
What does this mean?
Don't bus unless you need to

There's a fundamental problem with applying this, but I can see the logic.

Bert · Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:35 am

In post 1597, notscience wrote:Don't bus unless you need to

Bert's waffling is extremely scummy, I know he waffles sometimes but looking a 1402 and 532 where we were together it seemed minimal compared to now

Did I waffle in Popcorn? How about masons and monks? You could read Mini 1489, which makes me think it even worse why Cabd thinks my waffling here is bad if he really did read that game and keep up in real-time. Like, him getting attacked and then saying my jump was "opportunistic and therefore I'm scum" does not sit well with me.