Micro 246: Chosen Mafia (N2!)

[projectmatt]

I guess I should get serious. Give me a little.

[TheIrishPope]

my townread on tip isn't strong any longer.

How convenient.

I won't be reading too much into Nacho, Mastin, and Tammy and I'll figure out who's scum between the others.

[Tammy]

I'm V/la until Friday. I have a really busy important week this week. I should have some time to at least get caught up tomorrow and Wednesday though.

[Nachomamma8]

How convenient.

Does this surprise you?

[TheIrishPope]

Not at all.

[Nachomamma8]

what the fuck is the picture in the first post?

[mastin2]

1. Nachomamma8
4. Tammy
5. Darger
6. phokdapolees
7. projectmatt
8. TheIrishPope

Brief thoughts, but basically--
Tammy doesn't particularly look town to me, but I kinda have a feeling she is. Her aura seems to portray that town alignment, and the interactions with others look like those of a town player.
Projectmatt remains a player I've got pegged as mislynch bait--that is, scummy, but town.
TIP is a player who

could

be scum, but I don't think

is

scum.

And that leaves, for two scum slots, Darger, phok, and Nacho.

Now I would absolutely love to be wrong about Nacho being scum, but thing is, I don't think I am. The two dead players (ffery and Mara) both know Nacho incredibly well. (Granted, SoS was a near-universal townread, so that's an equally-probable cause for nightkill. But still, ffery dieing N1

always

makes me paranoid of Nacho. )

Both phok and darker are basically non-entities in the game. Both can be scum, both via POE and just overall lack of contribution. IF I'm right about Nacho being scum, I lean towards it being Darger, because I don't think Nacho would defend phok the way he did if they were both scum. (Granted, it's theoretically possible Nacho would be town and wrong about phok, with phok as scum. I just don't think it's true.)

[mastin2]

I realize that the latter half of SoS's iso is basically Magenta-TIP being a scumteam, and not on Nacho. But I don't think a scum-TIP makes that kill. At least, not a scum-TIP who makes that kill for the reasoning of being scumread by that slot. As much as my faith in TIP's abilities as a scum player have been shaken, I don't think he's THAT stupid. Sure, yeah, could be because of any number of factors. Universal townread, strong player, likely to figure things out after seeing the magenta townflip*, and so on and so forth. But those are null because they apply to every player, and not TIP specifically.

*This one's a biggie.

[mastin2]

Officially, I thought scum was one of Mastin/Nacho and the other one was found in Phoke/Darger/matt or both scum are found in the latter group, but it just felt way to easy if that was the case.

TIP was town early game, though I know people will react weirdly when I am not reading him properly so I was scum-reading him, though I'm not entirely fond of his lack of reaction to me pushing him. It felt a whole lot more like Walking dead more than it did Vi's U-pick, but before I had gone into a 1v1 with Nacho, he was a solid town-read. now, he isn't as much.

(There are more posts later-on where the townread on TIP gets much weaker. A common element that Mara's hydra had with ffery's hydra. But that doesn't change the importance here.)

I'm not scum, soooooooo, {Nacho, Phok, Darger,

Matt

}.

[projectmatt]

Tammy doesn't particularly look town to me, but I kinda have a feeling she is. Her aura seems to portray that town alignment, and the interactions with others look like those of a town player.

Projectmatt remains a player I've got pegged as mislynch bait--that is, scummy, but town.

1. Like what? Give me examples.

2. I'll say again that pretty much most of my actions in games shouldn't be read as scummy considering they're natural to me but they are read as scum anyway. It's a bit frustrating, so if you don't mind - what exactly about me do you find mislynch bait-ish? I'm curious.

I'm not exactly jumping for joy over the way that this game is going but I'm trying to formulate reads from the content we have.

I don't really agree with your reasoning on TheIrishPope being town. I actually really don't like his latter posts in this thread (as well as his demeanor to Nacho seems oddly confrontational but shrug). Like I said, his play is really really erratic and I don't know if it's his town meta but I really have trouble seeing how most of the stuff that he's saying can even come from a town process. It reads weird to me. (Like his desire to paint Nacho VS Mara as Scum VS Scum and then dropping it very very fast in favor of pushing on Speed. Now he's back on Nacho, I guess). I don't exactly scumread Irish, I guess, but I don't really feel good about him at all right now.

I kind of agree on Nacho. The only thing that would make me a little bit reluctant to outright scumread him is due to the fact that we kind of hive minded on our thought process as to why Phoke had towntold early in the game

I read Tammy's introduction/enthusiasm as town. I also like the way that she tore down Mastin's town bloc because, let's be honest, it was pretty dumb. Given the rapid fire pace of the last game I played with her, I'm a little bit let down in regards to a lack of real activity from her but I guess life happens.

I'm not sure how anyone could realistically have a read on Darger at this point. By process of elimination alone, it's fairly easy to conclude that he might be scum here but I'm not really comfortable lynching a dead slot yet - I don't think. I want to see what the replacement is like.

I kind of have Tammy/Mastin marked as town right now and I'm relatively skeptical of mostly everyone. I'll try to get better stuff later but this is where I'm at right now. I don't feel like voting yet, sorry.

[mastin2]

If you have both me and Tammy as town, me giving examples of why Tammy is town isn't exactly necessary, matt.

[Nachomamma8]

Now I would absolutely love to be wrong about Nacho being scum, but thing is, I don't think I am.

Why do you think I'm scum again?

[mastin2]

Why do you think I'm scum again?

Bunch of reasons. Among them?

Dead town. POE. General posting overall seeming manipulative. Gut. And this post, asking why I see you as scum.

[phokdapolees]

Why do you think I'm scum again?

And this post, asking why I see you as scum.

How exactly is asking why you think he is scum scummy?

[mastin2]

How exactly is asking why you think he is scum scummy?

Essentially?

Because a town-Nacho seeing me scumread him is going to go, "Oh, Mastin. Mastin, Mastin, Mastin. My dear boy, Mastin." (Optional addition: a siiiiiiiigh. ) Or something to that effect in his head. He's not going to actually say that, of course, but he'll be thinking it. He's historically basically just brushed me off when he's been town and I've read him as scum. A sort of silently shaking his head, shrugging it off, and continuing.

Maybe he'll address my concerns on him, by going "you're right, sorry". But he'll not put effort into making me think he's town. He'll just accept it.

...This Nacho? This Nacho directly confronts me on my scumread on him. He's attacking it head-on. As if it's actually a concern.

[projectmatt]

If you have both me and Tammy as town, me giving examples of why Tammy is town isn't exactly necessary, matt.

Nah, I'd like to see your rationale.

[Nachomamma8]

He's historically basically just brushed me off when he's been town and I've read him as scum. A sort of silently shaking his head, shrugging it off, and continuing.

Historically, I understand when you scumread me.
In this particular instance, I'm of the opinion that I looked town as shit when I pushed that magenta lynch, so I'm a bit confused.

[mastin2]

In this particular instance, I'm of the opinion that I looked town as shit when I pushed that magenta lynch, so I'm a bit confused.

Magenta flipped town, soooo...

Not so much.

There's more reasoning than that, obviously. I already pointed out some of it. But basically...you don't look like you're town, adjusting your reads. You look like scum, setting up the next mislynch. Kinda hard to explain if you don't see it.

Also, basically...in lylo, you only need one player.
One. town. player.

To pull off the win.

I'm deeply, deeply concerned I'm that one town player.

[Syryana]

VC Bob

Nachomamma8 ( 1 ): mastin2
Not Voting ( 6 ): Nachomamma8, Tammy, Darger, phokdapolees, projectmatt, TheIrishPope

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-28 19:00:00)

Darger has been prodded.

[TheIrishPope]

Dunno what to think right now. I need other people to talk.

[Syryana]

Tammy has been prodded.

[mastin2]

You know another thing that makes me think Nacho's scum?

If Nacho were town, I'd expect the scum to be encouraging the fight between us. Instead, there's a deathly silence about it. Nobody's weighing in on either side. Nothing.

That's...not exactly a good sign for Nacho's alignment.

[Tammy]

Acknowledging prod so I don't get force replaced even though I made it clear I was v/la until tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

If Nacho were town, I'd expect the scum to be encouraging the fight between us. Instead, there's a deathly silence about it. Nobody's weighing in on either side. Nothing.

No one is doing anything right now, which means absolutely nothing as far as my alignment is involved.

[projectmatt]

I don't even know.