Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Bert]

VT. Do it if you like. I have revised my reads slightly in that I've switched Cabd's and fffff's places.

If you don't mind waiting a bit I'd like to finish the T S O case while I can.

She did, actually..... Very odd...

Cabd didn't know that GM claimed VT, which could explain the kill.

(1) GM didn't suspect Cabd
(2) GM was a claimed VT but Cabd evidently had forgotten or was drunk/busy when the claim happened near deadline?

[Wisdom]

But ffery cannot be scum otherwise she'd have already hammered Cabd which means...

Not necessarily. In fact I think she would have hammered Cabd more easily if she was scum with Cabd.

[Sakura Hana]

Well I think this is Town v Town unless one of {Sakura, T S O} flips Town

in which case Cabd (tinysmall chance ffery) is Scum.

Aaaand TSO flipped town.

[Sakura Hana]

Or did you forget i pegged her for her "Association tells without flips" all D1 due to that?

[notscience]

She later said she was swapping their places, I'm pretty sure.

[Bert]

But ffery cannot be scum otherwise she'd have already hammered Cabd which means...

Uh......

OK, so I don't know who the last scum is... and believe me, I have thought this through and through to the point of overthinking.

Either my read on Ffery or ns (town) is and has been wrong, or my initial gutscum reads on Kaze were spot on and Wisdom isn't the doc.

That's how badly I'm doing in this game with regard to reads.

[Sakura Hana]

Is this what you're talking about?

I have revised my reads slightly in that I've switched Cabd's and fffff's places.

Still that would still mean she would have some small suspicion towards Cabd there... and a stronger one towards ffery.

[Sakura Hana]

In fact I think she would have hammered Cabd more easily if she was scum with Cabd.

That just clears the Cabd-ffery scumpair, and ffery-Anything other than Cabd pair.

[Sakura Hana]

Which basically just means ffery is 100% town.

[Bert]

But ffery cannot be scum otherwise she'd have already hammered Cabd which means...

Which basically just means ffery is 100% town.

Please, not this again...

[Wisdom]

Why? She could be scum with Bert/ns and still delay the hammer. Bringing it down and stopping discussion would gain her negative points.

[fferyllt]

You guys are giving me a headache. :/

In fact I think she would have hammered Cabd more easily if she was scum with Cabd.

That just clears the Cabd-ffery scumpair, and ffery-Anything other than Cabd pair.

What does this mean?

[Sakura Hana]

WHy wouldnt ffery hame hammered Cabd yet instead of trying to figure him out if she's scum but Cabd's Town. There's quite a lot of heat towards Cabd atm, and she's trying to reason it out.

And Wisdom's logic says that Cabd-ffery isn't possible either.

[Sakura Hana]

*have hammered

-Dem typos

[Wisdom]

I'm not saying it isn't possible. Everything is WIFOM - ffery maybe didn't hammer because she thought we would expect her to hammer if she's scum.

[Bert]

Why wouldnt ffery have hammered Cabd yet instead of trying to figure him out if she's scum but Cabd's Town. There's quite a lot of heat towards Cabd atm, and she's trying to reason it out.

A hammer that's made hastily if she's scum would make her look bad, whereas lots of deliberation and time taken to think it through before a hammer looks less suspicious. This is all hypotheticals, btw

[Wisdom]

Anyway, this is all useless right now. We lynch Cabd, hopefully he is the roleblocker and we get another investigation. If not, we/you will find Cabd's buddy tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

I wouldn't put it hastily if everyone else is saying "Cabd's Scum!" while she's trying to figure out what's going on, instead she could've agreed with the case and hammered him or declared an intent or something.

Wisdom: And if Cabd flips town?

[Wisdom]

She did want to lynch my slot earlier though - she didn't do that for Cabd.

If Cabd flips town, we'll reevaluate. I don't see that happening at all though.

[fferyllt]

The only players I'm ruling out as scum at this point are Sakura and agi. It's a tangle from there. I'm worried that any associative stuff from Cabd is going to be pretty worthless. I'm trying to remember if there were useful associatives he put down in the perpetual mylo game. Sangres-me was dead on night 1. Nacho and I nailed 4/5 of the scum team in our reads lists, but it wasn't based on associations - just day 1 reads.

[Wisdom]

I had mostly used Andrius' reads to find associations. I think Cabd's reads had also helped.

[Sakura Hana]

well ffery, the list is out there for you to use and type out the likelihood of each pairing then maybe we can nail down scum.

[fferyllt]

well ffery, the list is out there for you to use and type out the likelihood of each pairing then maybe we can nail down scum.

Yeah I read through it. But I won't have time to really hash it out until tonight.

[Cabd]

Okay so finally I get to be done with this shit.

If you guys were scumhunting hat'd be one thing, but you're not. You're looking for associative tells with me... when I'm VT.

See you on the other side, jerkasses.

VOTE: Cabd

I'm flipping VT by the way, so go eat shit and die notsci/wisdom/bert

[Cabd]

While we wait for mala, let's play a game of "How many of the idiots voting for me are town"?