A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Eddard Stark]

Prodding SpyreX

Day 3, Vc 10

SpyreX (6) -

Tammy, ooba, Zdenek, elleheathen, Messiah Complex, Nautilius

AGar (5) -

Goat on a Raft, Benmage, Garruk Relentless, The Alchemist, Alfred Borden

Nautilius (1) -

quadz08

ooba (1) -

PrideandJoy

Zdenek (3) -

kanyeknowsbest, StupendousMan, Shadoweh

quadz08 (1) -

Tierce

elleheathen (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Not voting (4)

:Cephrir, SpyreX, SafetyDance, AGar

With 21 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-25 04:30:01)
  
• Tammy is V/la.

[quadz08]

I'm thinking Zed might be a better lynch.

Why?

In other news,
Unvote: Spyrex
Vote: elleheathen

Why?

I support the SpyreX wagon but like my lonely vote on Nautilius better for now.

I thiiiiink I'm ok with the Zdenek wagon as well, but need to pay more attention to him to make sure I still think he's scum. He's fallen off the radar for me, but it's more because I haven't been paying as much attention to his posts that anything else.

[Benmage]

This reads a bit forced following my last statement.

You ask me to bullet something and then call it forced? That's upsetting.

Zdenek bullet the spyrex's case please.

PeaceBringer got called scum and replaced out. My experience is that do this disproportionately more often than town. Aside from that despite posting quite a lot, there's nothing alignment indicative coming from PB.
Displaced did nothing.
Spyrex hammered Amrun. There's nothing town motived in that.
Plus his read on me looks contrived, since he's not scum reading you over your Thor interactions, but I'll admit that I'm biased there.

This reads a bit forced following my last statement. Looks like you just wanted to undermine here: post 2317

Yes, I asked you to bullet your reasoning and it seemed like a struggle for you because everything you mentioned is quite shallow. Hence I said it read forced.

[ooba]

Zednek is a horrible lynch. I don't have have the same level of confidence with AGar but he shouldn't be today's lynch too.

I actually like Messiah's recent play.

TheAlchemist really needs to start playing soon. Also what does "Glass Towers" mean in the below line?

Glass Towers

, I don't have much meaningful to add to Nautilus' analysis of Andrius. Though for the sake of concision: Andrius' play was null. I see nothing in his ISO that's beyond his faking abilities as scum.

[Benmage]

Why SpryeX ooba?

[quadz08]

TheAlchemist really needs to start playing soon.

trufax

[kanyeknowsbest]

speaking of alchemist, the alchemist is not secrely syryana right? is there anyone who still believes that?

[kanyeknowsbest]

i got prodded. i still want zed dead i still dont want spyuerx dead and i dont have much more 2 add.

What do you think of Agar?

i felt his replacement in was pretty towny but overall iom null on him and inclined to sheep nautilus on him.

[SafetyDance]

Wait, I thought SpyreX says he quickhammers regardless of alignment...

Did I miss him saying something about only doing it as town?

And in my SELFVOTE defense, when I had only been doing it as town for years, I publicly rescinded that strategy in MDiscussion as being too borderline cheap... and in the WIRE, I never mentioned my past selfvoting meta.

The point is that you knew you did something for years only as town, and broke that tell/habit/whatever for a big game. Like this one. The stakes are higher in a large theme game and I don't doubt that people will try anything here...again.

Alfred epitomes opportunism. Been on every large wagon. (Ooba, SD, Thor, Amrun)

More like caused every wagon we've been on to become large.
Pay attention.

How do you fit all that ego in there?

speaking of alchemist, the alchemist is not secrely syryana right? is there anyone who still believes that?

Why would we not believe that?

[Benmage]

speaking of alchemist, the alchemist is not secrely syryana right? is there anyone who still believes that?

Yarr.

Me.

[kanyeknowsbest]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

syryana was engaged in the game and active. the alchemist is not. if you believe they are the same person how do you rationalize this radical shift in behavior?

[Benmage]

Wait, I thought SpyreX says he quickhammers regardless of alignment...

Did I miss him saying something about only doing it as town?

And in my SELFVOTE defense, when I had only been doing it as town for years, I publicly rescinded that strategy in MDiscussion as being too borderline cheap... and in the WIRE, I never mentioned my past selfvoting meta.

The point is that you knew you did something for years only as town, and broke that tell/habit/whatever for a big game. Like this one. The stakes are higher in a large theme game and I don't doubt that people will try anything here...again.

No, see thats my point.. I had wanted to break the tell.. but the stakes or game didn't matter, hence why I never alluded to my own meta. I broke my meta, but that was more a byproduct of using what appeared to be a genuine selfvote. I was simply going for the "genuine selfvote" tell... despite what my meta was.

Anyways.. Like I asked before, did SpyreX say he only hammers as town? Or that its a null tell??

[Benmage]

kkb, your wording was peculiar. By what you said, I thought you were saying you thought Syryana was the Alchemist.

No, I don't believe they are the same.

[kanyeknowsbest]

spyrex is capable of it as both alignments. its a null tell. thats been my argument this entire time regarding people who are calling it a scumtell.

[Benmage]

Im with you.^

[Benmage]

@quadz

SpyreX, Agar, Zdenek... whose scummiest?

[PrideandJoy]

I do not think Zdenek is scum.

[Benmage]

PJ,

what about Agar or SPry?

[Benmage]

PJ,

what about Agar or SPry?

[PrideandJoy]

I don't really think Spyrex is scum either.

Agar maybe. I am not sure what to do

[quadz08]

@quadz

SpyreX, Agar, Zdenek... whose scummiest?

spyrex at the moment (my earlier caveat about my read on zdenek still applies)

[Benmage]

oy vey

FARADAY!

[Alfred Borden]

How do you fit all that ego in there?

You dispute my powers? I can do magic! Besides, shouldn't two people have a bigger ego than one?

Since I'm not playing the game and am terrible at it anyway I realise the error of my ways, so I will be sheeping Tammy all day.

>>

That's okay.
Let's vote Amrun together!

Okay!

VOTE: amrun

VOTE: amrun

Even you yourself cannot resist our influence.

[AGar]

I don't give a fuck if you have a history of quickhammering. Why? Because you have a history of quickhammering for situations precisely like this one--so you can pretend like you've defeated my argument by telling me you've done this before as town so LOL TRY AGAIN!!!!

Your argument here hinges on "SpyreX spent 4+ years quickhammering just so he could troll one game in 2013."

You do realize that, right?

See: Benmage & The Self-Vote, Jan 13, The Wire.

See we have players like SpyreX.
Then we have your Tierces and your other people.

Then down a few flights there's like me, and those ilk.
Then there's DrMyShottyIzSik


Then a few basement levels down, there's Benmage.

Please don't blaspheme SpyreX like that.

i got prodded. i still want zed dead i still dont want spyuerx dead and i dont have much more 2 add.

Replace zed with AGar and we're pretty much in the same boat. Shit got lurky in here.

Pardon me for losing my internet. I'm not phoneposting in a large.

I was taking a calculated gamble putting that L-1 vote on Amrun

What is this supposed to mean? What were you gambling?

I knew there was an outside shot of quickhammering, but SpyreX was not on the list of people I concerned myself with when I made that. My mindset was "The competent players aren't gonna do anything stupid."

Do you care to expound with your own reasoning behind this, or are you just sheeping the general groupthink because you have no real opinions of your own?

I think that everything that needs to be said has been.

Agar, what is your read of Spyrex?

Right. Sheeping the groupthink. Cool.

Let me read a few more posts.

I need him to answer things first, because I didn't like PB/displaced, but I liked the conviction of his "Fuck you I would've hammered regardless" today, even if the hammer itself was bleh.

[elleheathen]

Allllll the procrastinators.