Newbie 1425 Part Deux -- Game Over

[Guyett]

because I didn't trust Arc from earlier in the game

[Wisdom]

And you trust me because?

[Guyett]

because I think you're a good player... I figured out you were town last game and I want to see if I can do it again.

[RayFrost]

To be honest, I don't really like either of the cats or guyett lynch but in terms of risk vs reward in opting to lynch between two town reads, guyett is better due to information: he's interacted more, his role is already claimed (no risk of outting / lynching a pr), etc.

I'd much prefer to lynch innocent villager but at this point I don't see that as a reality, especially since my reasoning behind him is mostly "I feel like he's more likely scum than town, not enough posts to really back this up with anything"

Vote: Guyett

- it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But a lynch must be done.

I'd rather keep my thoughts on who I think is scum/town past what I've said to myself for now. Mostly cuz I worked all day it's 2 am and I am too tired to go through everything I read to pick the posts. I didn't have the foresight to do so beforehand like an idiot.

[Guyett]

Someone hammer please. Only a day left

[Wisdom]

If guyett is lynched my divine fury will rain down on all of you.

[Wisdom]

We're not lynching Guyett, especially after RayFrost jumping on the wagon like that.

[RayFrost]

The difference between now and then was it was either RMarie (scum read to me at the time) or guyett (town read).

Now it's cats or guyett, both town reads of mine.

[Wisdom]

And you're voting the one you didn't want lynched over someone who does not even deserve to be townread. Yeah, no.

[RayFrost]

Shrug.

Disagree with me as you like but I genuinely see very little that's different in cats' play this game and last game. I get the same vibe, and that's how it goes.

Two town reads, one slightly stronger than the other (guyett is a little stronger), but the stronger town read provides vastly more information with which to analyze the game / limits information granted to scum, making him the lesser of two undesirable lynches.

[Wisdom]

We're not going to lynch for information. We're going to lynch scum. You're admitting you don't care about scumhunting.

[RayFrost]

Patently false.

I'm saying that I don't have a particularly convincing case / much confidence that I could get the lynch to go to who I think is scum (innocent villager), which means that the decision for me is between two town reads.

When choosing between two people I think are likely to be town, I choose based on information rather than scumhunting because

I don't think either of them is scum

.

[Wisdom]

Then you push who you think is scum. You don't just let town get lynched for information that might be worthless anyway.

If you don't have any case on anyone after 2 weeks, it just means you didn't care to scumhunt.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RayFrost

[RayFrost]

Difference in mafia philosophy.

Priorities: lynching scum, lynching for maximum information, lynching the least damaging lynch, lynching whatever's left.

NL should not be an option period. I would rather see Guyett who is a scum read to me lynched, but it would be better that I be mislynched than a NL

Ugh I honestly think Rach might be town. Sure you can argue it's wifom to try and sweettalk us out of this but she should know we're experienced enough to not fall for that. Looks like a townie sticking to principle...

I'd be fine with Guyett, honestly

VOTE: Guyett

This post is literally 100% of my issue with innocent villager. He gives a rather fake reason to find RMarie townie and gives no reason at all to vote guyett. Just sheeping the flow of votes while having not previously provided any direction of his own that he'd prefer. It shows a complete unwillingness to be open about his thoughts and letting us do all the work.

One post doesn't make a case.

[Wisdom]

Again, if that's all you have after 2 weeks, you didn't give a shit about scumhunting.

[RayFrost]

I quite clearly had more, considering the extensive amount I posted in regards to RMarie / arcangel.

Which you deconstructed with meta and RMarie deconstructed with townish behavior.

The fact I tunnel visioned doesn't mean the entire expanse is suddenly nonexistent. I focused on who I thought was scum, I gained momentum, you came in, basically hit me in the face with a brick wall and are now yelling at me for a lack of progress when I've had roughly four hours to spend on relaxation in the past two days, which I might add is

the time since I stopped focusing on RMarie

.

I gave and give a shit. Just that my energy was not put into the person I am now looking at.

[RayFrost]

I'm very much a momentum based player. That's why starting games is hard for me, and it also makes it very difficult for me to keep a consistent level of activity if my momentum gets shattered (such as having the entire town basically say "yeah what you're saying is 100% true but you're wrong" and brick wall me). I'm tired. I need this game day to end to give me the time to read through and piece my head together, I can't form something coherent out of a series of 3 am posts.

[RayFrost]

Take from this what you will. I don't have the energy at this point to argue with you. I'm exhausted, I'm going to sleep.

I will reply to you if the game thread is still open when I can actually get on. In about 18 hours.

[Wisdom]

Blah blah

If there's no support for RayFrost I'll switch back to cats later

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.11

L-1 Guyett - 4 - RachMarie, Evil Regals, innocentvillager, RayFrost
ObsessedWithCats - 2 - ArcAngel9, Guyett
RayFrost - 1 - Wisdom

Not Voting: singersigner, ObsessedWithCats

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-10-19 13:54:09)

[singersigner]

Sorry this is late! I got a little distracted yesterday. I'm going to try and catch up by pages, since that will prevent a hugehuge wall to read (though may run into repeating things, sorry!)

Page 8:

Okay.

Rach is town. This is her town meta, and we're not lynching her for any reason. She is typical lynchfodder every time she is town because of her weird playstyle which is scummy on its own.

Can you explain what is typically so scummy about RachMarie's town play? What's "weird" about it?

In which case I'd like to suggest that maybe you drop the meta book and open the book of reading the damn game and making decisions for your damn self based on the postings in the damn game and then giving some goddamned reasons to back up your thricedamned claims and reads regarding these damned people.

Yeah, isn't that convenient? If you look only at this game Rach's actions can be interpreted as scummy so you can push her lynch and have a zillion reasons to back it up. Too fucking bad for you that there are actually players that know Rach is like that in every damn town game and won't allow you to lynchfodder her.

I agree with RayFrost. Meta is being used way too much for a Newbie game with slightly less than experienced players. Things can be interpreted differently, and I wouldn't consider anything more than 6 months ago valid since people change all the time. You also have a very different point of view when you're experiencing something "in real time" than when you're remembering how you felt about what you experience at that point in time.

Specifically with regards to RachMarie, you're defending her an awful lot for someone who brought up a point about Cats "knowing who is town and who to defend." What's the difference?

Fine Ray.. Play by yourself.. I am done here. Period

VOTE: Ray

This is not the place for policy lynching. Do you have a reason for voting for Ray?

1: You state that lurking is RMarie's town meta, Arcangel states that lurking is her scum meta. Which is correct?

She does it as both. It's null. You were claiming she does it as scum and that it was a reason for your scumread.

To be fair, I only recall him saying that it was scummy, not that it was part of her scum meta...

[Wisdom]

for someone who brought up a point about Cats "knowing who is town and who to defend." What's the difference?

What? I said that his "scum know who to protect" is bullshit, you probably misunderstood that.

[Wisdom]

Can you explain what is typically so scummy about RachMarie's town play? What's "weird" about it?

No, what I know is that is strange and it gets it mislynched all the time. See my post about my games with her for more.

[Wisdom]

gets her* mislynched

[Wisdom]

I agree with RayFrost. Meta is being used way too much for a Newbie game with slightly less than experienced players. Things can be interpreted differently, and I wouldn't consider anything more than 6 months ago valid since people change all the time. You also have a very different point of view when you're experiencing something "in real time" than when you're remembering how you felt about what you experience at that point in time.

I fail to see how the fact this is a newbie game is any relevant when there are no newbie players left in it.
The rest of this statement misses the point - you compare the real time experience with someone in a game to the real time experience you've had with the person in other games. It's not like you disregard the current real time experience to favor something else.