Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Lord Mhork]

LB feels townie because the other head stopped being a dick and starting making sense to me. Pyro is super townie to me for the same reasons as before. Upside gives some decent vibes, though I'm not as solid here. Voideds posts make sense to me and they sound pretty townie. I don't understand where all the hatred is coming from. You seem to legitimately be hunting and trying to discern alignment, which is good. And Garuda's reads tended to line up with mine.

Oh wow I must have misremembered Nero though. He could very much be scum.

PEDIT:
No I didn't

Of course I'm letting others dictate. There are lots of people used to leading here. I'm not interested in trying to fight for dominance, 'cause I really don't need to. Right now I'm satisfied doing my own personal scum hunting. Also I wanted Seanald, but that wasn't happening and any lynch is better than a no lynch.

And at least I'm posting and participating. >.>
You could be going after mega lurkers too. Or are you afraid of the negative attention associated with that?

[morph the cat]

Morph, would one of you mind posting a link to a completed town game of your hydra? Just one of your choice.

Ain't got none of that town shit. This cat has always been a demon cat. They're all linked in my wiki though.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cabd

[Harakiri]

Morph, would one of you mind posting a link to a

completed town game

of your hydra? Just one of your choice.

Sorry but i couldnt help but laugh

[morph the cat]

Morph, would one of you mind posting a link to a

completed town game

of your hydra? Just one of your choice.

Sorry but i couldnt help but laugh

So did I.

But, I think it'll probably pretty easy to develop a shadow-town model from our scum games, especially if you focus on my play, because my play as scum in this hydra has been pretty low-key.

[morph the cat]

Plus a lot of his posts today remind me of Xenologue

More of a kinda cashcabd feel here, from both of us, actually. And for me (cabd) a few hawk-town games from our home site, including a recent one where he pegged me as SK and didn't let up really. Also has a 165-ish vibe for ffery.

[morph the cat]

Plus a lot of his posts today remind me of Xenologue

More of a kinda cashcabd feel here, from both of us, actually. And for me (cabd) a few hawk-town games from our home site, including a recent one where he pegged me as SK and didn't let up really. Also has a 165-ish vibe for ffery.

http://www.sixprizes.com/forums/threads ... ins.10020/

[Garuda]

I was referring to him chiding people for passive attitudes that "will lose town" the game like he did with LLD in that game in the dead QT + him feeling indignant about not being listened to (this isn't as string right now but there was one post where he talked about gloating in the post game).

[Voidedmafia]

^Scumclaim.

lolwat.

Do I have to give you the same spiel I gave Bo about labeling stuff as scumclaims for stupid reasons?

And this didn't worry you in the least? Mafia 101.

What did you expect us to be doing while under the stress of having 3 days to lynch someone? Unless you'd like to claim that someone had a post as bad as Hermy's (with just as bad follow-up), or unless you'd like to claim that the people spearheading Hermy's lynch were directly (or trying to appear to indirectly) trying to counter my own lynch, I don't see what your point is. We don't even have the benefit of know who used it because no one claimed they had it before Magua announced its usage, and most of the reasons we can think of as why are almost purely speculative.

So no, given the circumstances I don't think there was too much or a problem with how the lynch was handled (especially since the last few votes only came down, like, AT the deadline).

P-EDIT: It was about a dumb a question as you saying it was a dumb question was dumb.

It's about as dumb as these responses are getting to be.

And Obv-town because I was willing to no-lynch over lynch someone who I knew would flip town. Did that answer your question?

Not a (good) reason for obv-town.

I'm building up evidence for a nice case on morph that I'll eventually post, probably some time this game day.

While ignoring me? That's a nice set of priorities <_<.

Phone posting is a bitch but someone asked me why I voted Voided now and it's low effort sheeping because I'm bad. I need to reassess a lot of stuff.

For shame, you two. For shame.

Nice misinformation, Voided.

Fine, I admit I missed where garuda said they'd advertise that. How does this make me scum? Why did no one try to correct me or point this out to me to avoid this error (and don't you dare say it's because I'm scum, don't even try to pull that shit)?

Also I don't get why people are voting ProHawk? Overstating a correct read after the fact isn't scummy (it's something I've done A LOT as town) and the fact that he seemingly preferred a no lynch is pretty clear evidence that he did actually believe Hermy was obvtown, come on.

Calling someone obvtown after a lynch (especially when they've given no explicit townread on the person) has honestly never looked like it has any kind of town motivation to me, and reads very much like someone trying to get towncred for a lynch they weren't on. I can see your point, but it isn't strong enough to turn away the scumminess I saw in those posts.

I dislike Mhork's attitude toward the game on a slightly more personal level, but I don't see the willingness to admit that you're a follower and not a leader as scummy. He's nulltown to me.

[Klick]

Thanks bruh

[zMuffinMan]

people who keep saying that prohawk not voting hermy is evidence he thought hermy was obvtown are missing the point entirely. the issue isn't what his read was, but how he came about that read (i mean, fuck, if hermy was so obvtown then WHY WAS PROHAWK THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS FOR REASONS THAT MAKE NO SENSE?) and why he did nothing with that read if it was so fucking obvious to him (which is more interesting given he's now criticising mhork's weak D1 play).

[zMuffinMan]

More of a kinda cashcabd feel here, from both of us, actually.

how? his play here isn't at all similar to what i remember from that game. i liked his thought processes in that game, even if they weren't at all in line with mine. i see none of that here.

[ProHawk]

people who keep saying that prohawk not voting hermy is evidence he thought hermy was obvtown are missing the point entirely. the issue isn't what his read was, but how he came about that read (i mean, fuck, if hermy was so obvtown then WHY WAS PROHAWK THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS FOR REASONS THAT MAKE NO SENSE?) and why he did nothing with that read if it was so fucking obvious to him (which is more interesting given he's now criticising mhork's weak D1 play).

If this makes me scum, then WHY ARE YOU NOT VOTING ME???

But on another note, your question had/has me baffled. My reasons may make no sense to you, but they are logical, and I do hope when this is all over you reflect on what happened/how it happened, because it was accurate. My working hypothesis, however is that it was heavily scum-driven who made the wagon look appealing.

What did you expect us to be doing while under the stress of having 3 days to lynch someone?

Umm, I don't know, actually lynch the players that were pressured/discussed/had content in the first day instead of try to form this mist wagon based on a single post that was blown out of proportion.

Unless you'd like to claim that someone had a post as bad as Hermy's (with just as bad follow-up),

Do you really lynch based on one post? And a follow-up post? Was all of D1 discussion irrelevant at that point? Hermy's post is what I call lynch bait.

or unless you'd like to claim that the people spearheading Hermy's lynch were directly (or trying to appear to indirectly) trying to counter my own lynch, I don't see what your point is.

I did consider this, but giving credit where credit is due, IIRC Harakiri's wagon was ahead of you or maybe equal to yours at the time of the Hermy-rush. Also going over the analysis, it wasn't really clear as a counter-push and I realized that the pattern is being skewed because there are two different teams.

We don't even have the benefit of know who used it because no one claimed they had it before Magua announced its usage, and most of the reasons we can think of as why are almost purely speculative.

I can't think of one town reason to shorten the deadline. Compounding the fact that no one claimed its use after the fact is more evidence toward scum using the role.

So no, given the circumstances I don't think there was too much or a problem with how the lynch was handled (especially since the last few votes only came down, like, AT the deadline).

Any lynch that is met with little to no resistance without clear evidence that said person is scum should have you worried. Think tactically here. Any competent scum-team should provide enough counter pushing to avoid a quick-coordinated lynch of their own.

[Pyrotechnics]

Also I don't get why people are voting ProHawk? Overstating a correct read after the fact isn't scummy (it's something I've done A LOT as town) and the fact that he seemingly preferred a no lynch is pretty clear evidence that he did actually believe Hermy was obvtown, come on.

Plus a lot of his posts today remind me of Xenologue, will explain when at my PC.

Why aren't you annoyed that I'm questioning your placement in the town-bloc?

[Magua]

Players are reminded that, although they may be valued customers, talking about ongoing games is still not allowed. It doesn't matter if the information is publicly available, if you and them are both dead and flipped, or what. Don't do it.

For your ease of use, follow this very simply flow chart:

Are you making a reference to an ongoing game? ==== Yes ====> Don't do it.
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No
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Go ahead.

Thank you, and carry on.

[Garuda]

Why aren't you annoyed that I'm questioning your placement in the town-bloc?

I just got back to my PC and I skimmed through the thread while I was at my friend's.

Anyway, I don't even get why you're questioning when you yourself even realized last Day phase that I'd never play like this as scum (nevermind the fact that I've written the majority of the posts in a hydra with a guy who enjoys playing as scum) and I'd really rather not have to deal with this bullshit paranoia in this game when you know very well the best way to win is via cooperation so please let me know when you get over this phase, thanks in advance (also, P.S.: LB is still town, sorry).

[Garuda]

I am not really sure what you expect me to do. You don't like my methods? I don't really care. If people don't want to listen to me? Fine. I can just piss and moan and say I told you so-post game.

^for morph the cat, this was the kind of post I was referring to + his reaction to people reacting so dismissively to his cases.

[Pyrotechnics]

Why aren't you annoyed that I'm questioning your placement in the town-bloc?

I just got back to my PC and I skimmed through the thread while I was at my friend's.

Anyway, I don't even get why you're questioning when you yourself even realized last Day phase that I'd never play like this as scum (nevermind the fact that I've written the majority of the posts in a hydra with a guy who enjoys playing as scum) and I'd really rather not have to deal with this bullshit paranoia in this game when you know very well the best way to win is via cooperation so please let me know when you get over this phase, thanks in advance (also, P.S.: LB is still town, sorry).

Cool. What do you think of Morph the Cat?

Also, it's not paranoia, I do think a couple of your posts seem like ones you wouldn't make as scum, but you also don't feel real. And this response is exactly what I would expect for you to say to me regardless of alignment. I don't like that it literally took me asking you to respond to my read on you to give this to me. And considering the fact that I've been trying to get town to work together since my very first post, you don't get to pull this on me. Oh cooperate with me or you're anti-town. And, you know what, sorry, when LB actually start acting and sounding like town, I might start reading them that way. That goes for you too.

[Lost Butterfly]

people who keep saying that prohawk not voting hermy is evidence he thought hermy was obvtown are missing the point entirely. the issue isn't what his read was, but how he came about that read (i mean, fuck, if hermy was so obvtown then WHY WAS PROHAWK THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS FOR REASONS THAT MAKE NO SENSE?) and why he did nothing with that read if it was so fucking obvious to him (which is more interesting given he's now criticising mhork's weak D1 play).

This.

I don't really care about the subtleties between "town" and "obvtown." The whole point is that how was Hermy's post obvtown by any stretch of the imagination? (Am I the only one who was actually

surprised

by Hermy's flip? I felt really comfortable about that wagon yesterday, particularly when she went quiet once the wagon on her took off.) It wasn't even that Hermy was less likely scum than Harakiri or a crappy compromise wagon or an easy lynch or insert another cliche; today he's coming in and saying that is was OBVIOUS. How was Hermy's post indicative of new-player town but not new-player scum? How do you think Hermy would have played differently if she'd been scum this game, ProHawk? ProHawk's overconfidence felt off and read more like scum white-knighting a townie (although yes, two scum "factions" etc.). And Faraday also found ProHawk's responses to his prodding yesterday mechanical.

That said, I'm not ready to vote ProHawk, because I'm a waffling waffle who wants Faraday to come back and tell me what he thinks of Pro's posts today. Some of them have an aggrieved tone that I kind of like.

Don't like Klick because his reads list is terrible and because I hate the last line of this post. Muffin, can you explain the Klick town read? I'm also getting weird vibes from BBmolla--at first, I liked his big reasonable post in response to my vote, but I've seen him use the "bombard people with text walls" tactic as scum in an offsite game. When he's town, I usually find he's much more...spontaneous; he fluff-posts a lot, but I'll get a town-read on him because it'll read as very genuine and unscripted. Also, BB, what the hell are you referring to here?

In other news, the Voided wagon is really lazy. Garuda, who exactly are you sheeping on Voided? Describe to me the evolution of your Voided read. Actually, while you're at it, could I have your latest reads list?

[Garuda]

Oh you mean all the posts you spent whining about cooperation in the town while at the same time getting into a shit fight with LB over nonsense? You don't get to play the "hey I've been really trying to get the town to work together card" when you did literally nothing of the sort while I actually tried to offer something in the short amount of time we had.

Also, did you miss the part where I literally said I had just skimmed the thread and that the implication was that maybe I missed some posts? The fact that I didn't even remember who it was that asked me for the reasoning behind the Voided vote should have been a pretty big clue and I didn't even see your post about you questioning your read on me. Of course I'm going to respond to the one on the most recent page since I just got here too.

P-edit: Mina, I was sheeping everyone else because I honestly don't have confidence in a lot of things right now. I thought Hermy was a slam dunk scum lynch and was utterly floored when she flipped town. I'll give you a reads list when I have some time to actually think about things more.

[Garuda]

If I had to guess, I'd say morph the cat is town if only due to the fact that ffery seems to be more involved but I wouldn't bet the game on it and I'm not willing to give that read so easily after The Game That Shall Not Be Named.

[morph the cat]

The Game That Shall Not Be Named.

Told you I wasn't the only one who called it that, ffery!

[Lost Butterfly]

I'm actually pretty confident that morph is town for *reasons*.

[Garuda]

Hey you huge bolded people ENGAGE US ON THIS SHIT. We'll even purr real loudly just for you. Tammy-syr can come too*

Engage you on what exactly?

[morph the cat]

Hey you huge bolded people ENGAGE US ON THIS SHIT. We'll even purr real loudly just for you. Tammy-syr can come too*

Engage you on what exactly?

Our townblock o reads.

[zMuffinMan]

If this makes me scum, then WHY ARE YOU NOT VOTING ME???

i'm not sure it makes you scum. like i told morph, i'm still in the process of sorting you.

My reasons may make no sense to you, but they are logical, and I do hope when this is all over you reflect on what happened/how it happened, because it was accurate.

you happening to be right doesn't actually mean your thought process was logical. the same as if harakiri is scum, it wouldn't mean your argument for it is any less flawed.

My working hypothesis, however is that it was heavily scum-driven who made the wagon look appealing.

LB, harakiri... who else? and why is that your working hypothesis? how does voided and his wagon factor into this hypothesis?

Muffin, can you explain the Klick town read?

it has to do with the way i was reading the tone of his posts at the end of yesterday (and today), the way he's sorting his reads today (i like it, and i don't really know why morph doesn't), and his claimed (lack of) night actions. it's not a strong town read, but it's far from a scum read.