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Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:07 pm

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In post 1922, Sakura Hana wrote:Well ffery, here's the deal, i think the team is notscience and wisdom.

Wisdom's been pushing the fact that him having a Doctor role pm would allow him to know there's a roleblocker, but obviously a scum role pm would allow him to know that there's not a Doctor and I doubt someone like Wisdom would have such an oversight, what do you think?
Do you think he'd expect nobody in this crowd to point up how scum could garner some of the same info that a cop would know via PM and matrix?
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Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:10 pm

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In post 1925, fferyllt wrote:Do you think he'd expect nobody in this crowd to point up how scum could garner some of the same info that a cop would know via PM and matrix?
What i think is that he got into fakeclaiming the Doctor role pm, and pushed as if it was the only possible thing that could've happened, with a cop claim it's easy for him to fake claim a doc, unlike what I did in Newbie 1428, it's the same situation than a flipped/claimed jailkeeper and scum fake claiming 1 Shot BP. So he wanted to drill into our brains that it was the only possible option.
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Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:14 pm

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In post 1555, Wisdom wrote:You're still not seeing this from scum PoV. It's far more important to Cabd to get the town cred that he got from that gambit (especially if he is the roleblocker) AND learn who the actual PRs are (if someone counterclaimed him, he could just argue he was gambitting, like he did when he dropped the gambit) than it is to simply push a lynch on you which wasn't even guaranteed to succeed. Even more so if the person he uses the gambit on is someone he can manipulate.
In post 1548, Wisdom wrote:Oh nvm I got what you're saying. Still, how do you find it more likely that he would push you over doing a gambit that not only would give him strong towncred, but also help him figure out the actual PRs?
In post 1545, Wisdom wrote:How do you not see it? They roleblocked you and he knew you're bluffing. It's exactly the kind of chance a scum player like cabd needed.
In post 1365, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1361, Bert wrote:But the gambit thing making him "conftown" is what pings
It doesn't make him conftown at all. Think a little, there was a way to actually
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that Sakura was not telling the truth about being a cop.
I keep thinking back to those above quotes I just quoted. He was so persuasive with that. And I thought it was because Cabd thought Sakura was a tracker and that was why Cabd as scum would do the fakecrumb or fakeclaim of cop.

And then I remember Wisdom telling me that "not exactly, but you get the picture"
In post 1423, Bert wrote:Yeah, I thought Sakura was breadcrumbing "tracker" with the blatant "Cabd's innocent until proven guilty" comments. That makes sense now that I think about it, if Cabd's scum and knows there's no tracker...hence the boldness to claim cop...aha
In post 1425, Wisdom wrote:Not exactly. But you have the right idea.
I feel like an idiot because I still don't understand Wisdom's thought processes there, although I thought I got the gist of what he was saying, I couldn't understand it on a non-intuitive level.
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Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:16 pm

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What I mean is Cabd knew there was no tracker and thus Sakura was not a tracker and thus Cabd-scum was safe to fakeclaim cop in order to gain towncred, but the logic doesn't really make sense. That was my initial revelation.
In post 1424, Bert wrote:Basically, Cabd knows that there is no tracker and therefore Sakura's statement of "innocent until proven guilty" makes no sense for a real tracker due to him knowing the tracker setup is not possible, so he claims cop to get towncred. (sorry I'm confusing y'all I think).
My logic was really bad, though. And I still don't understand.
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Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:21 pm

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He didnt claim cop to get towncred, he thought I was a cop with an inno on him, and hence he fake claimed cop to eat the night kill himself instead of me. All he's done was town-motivated yet you guys didnt see it, all wisdom's done is not town-motivated at all, he's trying to be manipulative, he needs rope.
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Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:23 pm

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So yeah, I wanna lynch Wisdom and i think his partner is ns (he's also attempting to be manipulative) i'm just waiting for ffery to come here and give me her opinion.
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Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:24 pm

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3.05With 5 alive it's 3 votes to lynch.

Voting for:


*Fferyllt -
*Bert - Wisdom [1]
*Wisdom - Bert [1]
*Sakura Hana -
*notscience -

Not voting: Fferyllt, notscience, Sakura Hana [3]


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Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:28 pm

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In post 1930, Sakura Hana wrote:So yeah, I wanna lynch Wisdom and i think his partner is ns (he's also attempting to be manipulative) i'm just waiting for ffery to come here and give me her opinion.
the scenario holds together.

If we're wrong, though. game over.

I don't think I should vote tonight.
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Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:30 pm

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Don't think about being wrong, think about being logical, if we're wrong while being logical then scum played a good scum game, and we wouldn't have found them out without being lucky.

However I do agree that you shouldn't vote tonight.
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Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:31 pm

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That's good because I almost changed my mind.
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Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:32 pm

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In post 1933, Sakura Hana wrote:However I do agree that you shouldn't vote tonight.
Yup I agree. Sakura won't be here tomorrow most likely
In post 1929, Sakura Hana wrote:He didnt claim cop to get towncred, he thought I was a cop with an inno on him,
yeah, it was just weird with how you said "innocent until proven guilty," that's all
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Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:33 pm

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In post 1935, Bert wrote:
In post 1933, Sakura Hana wrote:However I do agree that you shouldn't vote tonight.
Yup I agree. Sakura won't be here tomorrow most likely
In post 1929, Sakura Hana wrote:He didnt claim cop to get towncred, he thought I was a cop with an inno on him,
yeah, it was just weird with how you said "innocent until proven guilty," that's all
I seriously seriously thought that was a tracker crumb. Because with 2 scum, a track neg result is not conclusive.
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Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:34 pm

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The innocent until proven guilty was an inference to my plan on WKing him through D2 as well, and doing NKA with N1 and N2 together, and then i could decide whether he was town or not, and if i was NK'd then you could have concluded what I was going for, the fact that he mistook my read for a cop crumb is what made him super town for me.
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Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:36 pm

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In post 1936, fferyllt wrote:I seriously seriously thought that was a tracker crumb. Because with 2 scum, a track neg result is not conclusive.
Yeah, exactly.
In post 1937, Sakura Hana wrote:The innocent until proven guilty was an inference to
my plan on WKing him through D2 as well, and doing NKA with N1 and N2 together, and then i could decide whether he was town or not, and if i was NK'd then you could have concluded what I was going for
, the fact that he mistook my read for a cop crumb is what made him super town for me.
this never crossed my mind :/
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Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:38 pm

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yeah me neither.
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Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:39 pm

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In post 1933, Sakura Hana wrote:Don't think about being wrong, think about being logical,
if we're wrong while being logical then scum played a good scum game, and we wouldn't have found them out without being lucky.


However I do agree that you shouldn't vote tonight.
I'd be really surprised if Ffery were to flip scum, her posts are incredible sincere and helpful. Meh.

notscience's reactions have been more fake-sounding and also more easily transferable between alignments, especially going into today. and the rigid reads too

It's one of those games where if Ffery's scum, it's just like BRAVO well done...
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Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:41 pm

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I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not a very logical-based player, or rather sometimes I see people being really logical and hard to attack, and then they turn up scum. Nvm.
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Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:43 pm

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Guess me hydraing with Nacho has helped.
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Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:43 pm

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I'm still not sure about being as strong of a player as ffery keeps mentioning tho.
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Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:49 pm

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you were mentioned in that prolific player thread that ABR started up
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Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:49 pm

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i'm not even sure what's that prolific player thread.
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Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:52 pm

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32262

I'm assuming this is legal as it's not even a game thread.
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Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:52 pm

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if it's not, sowwwwwwy <3333333
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Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:54 pm

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wasn't hard to find anyway.

was does prolific even mean.
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