Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

Alduskkel · Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:15 pm

Now what?

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:54 pm

Realistically?

It comes down to whatever mafia wants. Kinda complicated endgame here.

1) Mafia lynch means wolf wins
2) Town lynch means mafia wins
3) Wolf lynch means either town or mafia wins

Obviously if we are lynching we are going for the wolf lynch, but mafia can still block the lynch if they want by simply claiming here.

Ultra side note - this is fully forced to a draw by wolf too, but that's a far more complex thing and im not overly sure whoever last wolf is would know it so im not saying it, but its there and if it happens we are stuck in a draw.

So yeah... its up to mafia. If mafia wants to stop a lynch and draw I would prefer they let us know that right now by voting no lynch.

Otherwise we actually do go for the wolf lynch.

Alduskkel · Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:59 pm

Town lynch means Mafia or Wolf win. Wolf just has to kill the Mafia.

elleheathen · Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:20 pm

Alduskkel · Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:23 pm

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:29 pm

Elle is not wolf for being the first person on SV.

Its either Ald or Llama.

Llama was the last vote. Aldus wasnt on the wagon.

So I think Ald has a higher likelihood of being wolf here

VOTE: Aldusskel

Alduskkel · Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:24 pm

So according to you:
1. I deliberately avoided the SV wagon for the ENTIRE day. Given numerous attempts to bus, I never took them, even after it was practically a foregone conclusion that SV would be lynched. Thus ensuring that I would have a terrible position Day 5 since all 3 of you seem to think I am the last Wolf.
2. Given that last part, I then chose to kill Yggdra Union, the claimed Mafioso. Which implies that I thought I could win as the last Wolf without any chance for a draw. That's fucking stupid and arrogant.

I think the YU kill indicates that the remaining Wolf is going for a win

by trying to kill off the last Mafioso. But of ALL the Wolf candidates, I have the most reason to go for a draw. And yet, apparently, I didn't.

elleheathen · Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:45 pm

If I'm wrong - I'm wrong.
But I'd rather be wrong then kick myself in the ass for voting against what I've thought all damn game.

VOTE: Ald

Alduskkel · Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:49 pm

Fuck it. I'm Mafia.

This post by YU just about sums it up.

And obviously I didn't counterclaim because I didn't want to eat the damn nightkill.

I'm claiming now so you idiots can unvote me before LF just hammers for the win.

Alduskkel · Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:51 pm

Then there's this whole damn exchange...

Alduskkel · Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:13 pm

Well, apparently elle disappeared 4 minutes after posting here. I'm just going to hope DP comes in and unvotes, then.

Alduskkel · Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:27 pm

It's kind of suspicious, to be honest.

Anyway, sorry for the quadruple post.

elleheathen · Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:51 pm

UNVOTE:

elleheathen · Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:56 pm

Geeeez.

elleheathen · Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:06 pm

I should have known with Llama's 1201 but

VOTE: LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:12 am

Well im still town but this is a drawn situation.

Ald cant vote anyone because it means he loses
I wont vote Ald because it means elle wins

Just for the "that was interesting" side note, how this was drawn even before this claim was that if wolf got ran up they just claimed mafia. We don't vote mafia ever, mafia cant counter without sticking us in a forced draw as any mafia claim ends it. Granted this was also exactly what town should have done here, so it was probably a draw no matter what happened.

Vote Drawn Game

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:57 am

V/LA til the 26th

Will have access 23-24 but. Im unsure of all the other dates

Alduskkel · Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:40 am

AGH

This game is going to last forever.

elleheathen · Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:40 pm

Oh joy.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:07 pm

So can we seriously just draw this now?

Its impossible to win for anyone without a different faction playing beyond against their win condition. Im not talking about taking a longshot but literally throwing the game.

Lord Mhork · Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Alright here's what I'll do for those of you calling for a draw. If the majority of you VOTE: Draw I will treat it as a VOTE: No Lynch with the added implication that you will be voting to No Lynch for the rest of the game barring a change to the game state, that is that someone dies. If the day ends due to Draw being voted on by the majority, I will then discuss with any remaining factions that possess a Night Kill as to whether they agree to the draw. Agreeing to the draw is a No Kill with the added implication that they will continue to No Kill barring a change to the games state.

If a Draw is voted for in the Day Phase and a Draw is chosen by all factions with killing abilities in the Night Phase, then the game will end in a Happily Ever After (or Draw) where all factions will have neither won nor lost.

elleheathen · Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:39 am

Yeah - that'd be great.
Except that voting No Lynch is offering Llama a free chance for 3p lylo.

It's essentially what it's going to come down to anyway, unless Llama wants to out themselves with their draw vote, because it's that or they get the same option when the timer runs out.

And voting to no lynch while knowing who the wolf is

is

playing against my wincon - and while it would save time because it's inevitably going to come down to waiting out the timer otherwise (because Ald can't vote as it's against

his

wincon), I'm a stubborn ass that would rather wait out the timer than put us in a position to actively help Llama win, even if it's a long shot. But the fact that they're still maintaining that I'm not town makes that long shot a possibility they're hoping to benefit from.

The only way a draw would work for all parties is if it were a unanimous draw request, with all four of us agreeing to a draw and ending the game

in this phase.

Alduskkel · Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:30 pm

So we have to wait for DP then.

Alduskkel · Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:51 pm

I would like to point out that "waiting out the timer" means waiting TWO WEEKS. What are we going to do for two weeks?

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:15 pm

In post 1221, elleheathen wrote:Yeah - that'd be great.
Except that voting No Lynch is offering Llama a free chance for 3p lylo.

Even if I was scum I wouldn't be making a kill and just take the draw because its correct play to have claimed mafia no matter what happened when someone got ran up really. Realistically Ald could be anything here as far as I am concerned because the claim was the right move for wolf, mafia or town.

Its a draw, face it. Whether it be you or Ald, wolf making a kill is an exceedingly risky move with minimal payout.

The game is drawn, Ald will never vote because it would instantly lose them the game. Wolf will never self-vote. Just vote draw/no lynch because the game is entirely out of everyones hand except wolf right now, where they get to decide if they believe the mafia claim enough to turn a draw into an outside shot win at best.