Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[fferyllt]

We all did, in conjunction.

What was the rationale?

[Bert]

The GM kill looked newb, careless or designed for misdirection/lack of information.

That's why I came into D2 really paranoid about agi102 too. In a sense, not everything has gone wrong. GM would have been paranoia central for me and I wouldn't have been able to get that near-lynch and VT claim saving her outta my head on D2, and agi cop - that's two people I'd be paranoid of.

Cabd gone too, now my focus is more razor-sharp without all the lingering paranoia of too many people

but yeah Wisdom's on the ropes here and it's funny no one expects him to flip town

[Bert]

EBWOP: It just seems like one of those kills that is meant to confuse town, as if we aren't confused enough already.

[notscience]

Low-information.

Any particular reason you're trying to over-inflate my scumgame?

[notscience]

Bert, in 1496 we killed someone because they were low information.

Ffery's tryin to imply that's what I'm doing here.

Ffery, do I always do as such? Or, does my scumgame adapt?

[fferyllt]

Bert, in 1496 we killed someone because they were low information.

Ffery's tryin to imply that's what I'm doing here.

Ffery, do I always do as such? Or, does my scumgame adapt?

As far as I can recall, that's the only game I've played with scum-you.

I'm thinking about it because you brought up the GM kill.

If Wisdom is scum, and I still think he is, I'm curious why Kaze didn't want Bert dead. Maybe he thought a Bert kill would point back at him?

[Bert]

Ffery, I'm not really a threat as town to get NKed, and at the end of the day I was going after people like Cabd and TSO.

Plus, Kaze tried to buddy me during those interactions saying that I'm his/her only scumread, which weirded me out. Also, I claimed VT at the end of Day 1 too, like GM.

[Bert]

Most of all, Ffery you were saying Kaze's game was evolving and only hedging bothered you enough to avoid having Kaze listed as a solid townread.

No one else really was putting any kinda suspicion on Kaze other than me.

[Bert]

DANG enter button oops sorry 3 posts. My point is that my Kaze scumread wasn't strong enough that I wasn't gonna waffle - I waffled D2 and flip flopped...

[notscience]

This goes back to the GM kill.

Both of them claimed Vt.

[fferyllt]

Ffery, I'm not really a threat as town to get NKed, and at the end of the day I was going after people like Cabd and TSO.

Plus, Kaze tried to buddy me during those interactions saying that I'm his/her only scumread, which weirded me out. Also, I claimed VT at the end of Day 1 too, like GM.

Only townread you mean?

[fferyllt]

Most of all, Ffery you were saying Kaze's game was evolving and only hedging bothered you enough to avoid having Kaze listed as a solid townread.

No one else really was putting any kinda suspicion on Kaze other than me.

That's true. he kinda inherited the newbtown vibe we had for gravija when he replaced in.

[Bert]

Only townread you mean?

yep, only townread, my bad.

That's true. he kinda inherited the newbtown vibe we had for gravija when he replaced in.

Yep, pretty much. You said something about how you kinda read gravija as town and moved on to other people because it seemed like a true newbtown person vibe-wise.

[notscience]

Ffery fits the bill.

Wisdom
Ffery
Bert
Sakura
Me

[fferyllt]

Ffery fits the bill.

Wisdom
Ffery
Bert
Sakura
Me

If you are town.

If it doesn't end today.

Then think on this pretty hard.

[fferyllt]

Because I sure will be.

[Sakura Hana]

Whew this took a while.

Spoiler: Day 1 VCA

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While going back this made me giggle:

inb4 wisdom

Deja-vu?

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Memo: I offered 1v1 with ns, but he refused.

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Bert starts counterwagon on GM.

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ffery joins the coutnerwagon to TSO.

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Bert voted Cabd, and after I voted him, he rejoined the TSO wagon.
ffery calls my Bert vote bad.
Then Bert votes GM.
Kaze (Wisdom) Calls Bert out with a "Wtf are you doing"

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ns declares intent, GM claims VT.

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Bert and notscience start counterwagon on Cabd. Counter to TSO that is.

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Bert moves after TSO instead.

[Sakura Hana]

Now time to read all I missed while I was doing that.

[Bert]

see ns this is why you're playing fine (if you're town), cuz look people who are conftown were on all kinds of wagons on town too according to that Sakura analysis

heck I'm on a wagon on conftown half the time, and my only time on Kaze was really brief vote-wise and not even long enough to show up on any VC.

[Sakura Hana]

I put all my notes in there which I think are relevant and should be looked at, feel free to add your own notes too, that kind of tired me out so imma play Terraria until sleep time, then I'll do VCA for Day 2 tomorrow after work.

[Sakura Hana]

Also note that ffery not doing trajectory analysis so far has been bothering me.

[Bert]

Have a good one!

I'm watching the conclusion of the Colts-Broncos game...

[Bert]

If anyone has questions about the VC analysis, go ahead and spill

I'm not sure what to look for in those

I think I need to look at the timing of Wisdom's doc claim and "lynch cabd ffs before he convinces use otherwise" and if it came right after Sakura said "let's lynch notscience, how about let's lynch ns"

just thought of that, idk why I didn't think of that earlier

[Bert]

the only reason he keeps ate'ing this hard is to appeal to you.

Why would he need to do that? I already said I'm never voting him.

On other news I think my vote is gonna head here now:

Vote: notscience

If you're really the doc then help me find the roleblocker so that our cop lives tonight.

Because you're his only chance to survive. Bert already stated he might sheep you and agi might also do.

Am I? I think I've said enough why Cabd is super town because of my gambit. Why did he fake a cop inno on me to protect me from a NK if that would put him on hot waters if the real cop came and claimed, assuming he did know I wasn't the cop.

[fferyllt]

Also note that ffery not doing trajectory analysis so far has been bothering me.

I do it explicitly more in large games or in games where I replace in with 10-15 pages because it helps me figure out what happened prior to my joining or when the stance movements are super complex. That's not been the case in this game, though. The biggest perturbation in the game was Wisdom's replace in, and the impact that had on the wagons was pretty blatant. I'll lay it out, though and we'll see if something jumps out.