Micro 246: Chosen Mafia (N2!)

[Syryana]

Votecount Jacob

TheIrishPope ( 2 ): Nachomamma8, Bert
Nachomamma8 ( 1 ): mastin2
Not Voting ( 4 ): Tammy, phokdapolees, projectmatt, TheIrishPope

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-28 19:00:00)

Jacob has been prodded.

[TheIrishPope]

Ohai.
If anyone has any questions, now's the time.
Dunno why two people voted me in quick succession.
Bert watchu doing.

[mastin2]

Why is Nacho scum here??

Basically? POE, bad interactions, and gut. Nacho's a strong enough scum player that, quite frankly, that's about all that's possible to get on him.

I'm surprised at the sos kill at this point. I think it would be too easy to go after sos for their day one reads.

Honestly, don't see why it would be surprising. If it's Nacho, it's because of fferyllt. If it's me, it's because of some other combination of reasons, be it that they were obvtown or I could weaponize their nightkill as ammo against Nacho. If it's Bert's slot, I can see killing a player who at a glance looks town when you're not into the game and need a kill. If it's TIP, then you'd think it'd be because of the suspicion on him.

The only three who don't have a clear justification for it that I can think of are you, projectmatt, and phok, and even then, I could probably think of reasons why the SoS kill makes sense from you three if I really thought about it for a while.

What have I done to have the aura of town?

Was planning on getting to that on Monday. In part, though, I have to admit...one reason I have you as town is because you said that a person really knowing what they were looking for would be calling you obvtown. I seem to recall hearing that from you every previous time you've been town. (Granted, I don't think I've ever seen you as scum.)

My scumreads are my scumreads because they're my scumreads. I'm not sure what you're looking for. It's partly POE. It's partly that I've got suspicions on them. Granted, I don't have as much solidified as I would prefer. But it's what I've got.

So although everyone would make that kill regardless of anything, scum TiP wouldn't make it because? I'm not following.

Scum TIP wouldn't make that kill because of the suspicion on him. He might make the kill for other reasons, but if he's scum, I doubt it was because they scumread him.

Don't ignore me.

Not sure what I'm missing.

He

knows

that tone is the weakest part of my scumgame because I'm too planny, and he knows that it would be a god-tier breakthrough if I pulled off that mislynch as scum.

Problem is, I

am

seeing some of that tone. And I

don't

know that you-as-scum couldn't pull of the lynch. (Though, strictly speaking, on a purely technical note, you didn't; it was a modkill. )

[Bert]

If it's Bert's slot, I can see killing a player who at a glance looks town when you're not into the game and need a kill.

Is this an oversight, or did you forget that this game has 2 scum? Because suggesting that a slot that was never active would make a blind kill for the 2 person scumteam is a bit of a stretch

[Nachomamma8]

I have to admit...one reason I have you as town is because you said that a person really knowing what they were looking for would be calling you obvtown.

This seemed genuine.

Not sure what I'm missing.

You're not missing anything, but I still want you talking to me and working with me on this since the second you shut down the scumread on me isn't going away for the rest of the game.

Problem is, I am seeing some of that tone. And I don't know that you-as-scum couldn't pull of the lynch. (Though, strictly speaking, on a purely technical note, you didn't; it was a modkill.

The tone you're looking for is my town tone, not scum tone. My scum tone is consistently in my town game, but my town game usually swings from town tone to scum tone to town tone.

[Tammy]

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll get to this tomorrow.

[projectmatt]

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll get to this tomorrow.

[Bert]

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll get to this tomorrow.

[mastin2]

Today, today, tomorrow is today.

(But in all seriousness...post incoming.)

[TheIrishPope]

Kewl

[mastin2]

So I might as well get this over with.

Unvote.

I was trying to leave 'crumbs of being a role with a guilty on Nacho, so that assuming we didn't lynch him or me today, we'd have info overnight. Scum try to kill me? Nacho's scum for realz. Scum try to kill someone else? Nacho's not scum, and we get ahead knowing that.

...At least, that was the idea. It had a ton of flaws. Mainly? I screwed up by using only the bold tag rather than the vote tag, Nacho is smart enough that he probably could figure this strategy out and leave me alive intentionally, the inactivity surrounding this game, and requiring us to lynch someone else when a lynch on Nacho or me is where the day was looking like it was heading.

It's possible that I could benefit from waiting to make this reveal later, but given so many people slacking off, and me being limited by that forced restriction, I needed to discard it in order to free me up for playing more naturally. (By which, I mean, proactively. )

And basically, know what my approach is?

"SCREW IT, let's just go with my gut."

And that's where I'm at right now.

I'm sure there's a ton of logical reasons for Tammy to be town, and if I bothered, I could list them. But bluntly? The main reason she's town is gut, and very strong gut at that, but still little more than gut. While I was initially bothered by her opening posts, this has subsided with her overall play emanating an aura of towniness. Though she

could

be scum, at this point, I've basically said, "SCREW IT, IF SHE'S SCUM, I'M LETTING HER WIN."

Projectmatt is a weaker gut townread, but still a townread. Like a lesser Tammy, I can SEE him as scum, but I don't believe him for a minute to actually BE scum.

Then...then, there's TIP. TIP, I'm more ambivalent on. Both via gut and via logic. But overall, my gut slightly leans towards town and my logic slightly leans towards scum. I really wish I had more, but that's about all I've got on him. :/

Which, again, leaves the final three.

Nacho's actual read is nearly identical to TIP. Via logic, I can see him as scum and even lean that way. Via gut, I can see him as scum but for some reason lean the other way into town. I should have a stronger read on him. I SHOULD have more. But...I don't. That's really it. That's all I've got. Thus, the absolutely-failed gambit in a desperate attempt to get SOMEthing about him.

Which brings me back to Bert and Phokda. I still think phok's scum by gut. I haven't looked at things logically. I don't have a rational explanation for it. I just

feel

like phok's scum, here. And Bert? Bert, well, Bert's the kind of guy who logically looks like scum, but my gut's actually ambivalent on. One moment, I agree with the logic, thinking that what I see is what I get, a scum player. The next, I'm disagreeing, with an irrational feeling that he's somehow town, and I simply can't make it out.

In short?

I suck.
I need to reread, but for the time being...

Vote: Phokdapolees

.

[TheIrishPope]

Yeah, sorry I've been shit this game. If it's worth anything, I think Mastin's chosen.

[mastin2]

I think Mastin's chosen.

Derp. I forgot that this game

doesn't

have power roles. At least, power roles that know they're power roles.

Now that I've actually remembered the setup of the game we're playing, that does mean that SoS was probably the veto. (That, or the RNG gods just gave them a bad hand. ) But I need to reread things to think things through.

[TheIrishPope]

The activity seriously diminished my scumhunting skills.

[phokdapolees]

I still think phok's scum by gut. I haven't looked at things logically. I don't have a rational explanation for it. I just

feel

like phok's scum, here.

I thought you said before that your reasoning for voting me was me playing the noob card and being more "confident"?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: phokdapolees

gut

[TheIrishPope]

Holy fuck yes
VOTE: phokdapolees

[phokdapolees]

So questioning a player for changing his reasoning for a vote is scummy?

[Nachomamma8]

nah not really

[Nachomamma8]

what are your reads though?

[TheIrishPope]

I used that same tactic as scum when I was a newbie
Yes yes yes lynch

[Bert]

Which brings me back to Bert and Phokda. I still think phok's scum by gut. I haven't looked at things logically. I don't have a rational explanation for it. I just feel like phok's scum, here. And Bert? Bert, well, Bert's the kind of guy who logically looks like scum, but my gut's actually ambivalent on. One moment, I agree with the logic, thinking that what I see is what I get, a scum player. The next, I'm disagreeing, with an irrational feeling that he's somehow town, and I simply can't make it out.

your waffles crack me up man

Vote: phokdapolees

gut

how does this compare with what you're familiar with regarding phok? he's quite hedgy as scum I think, whadoya think, let's put two heads into one yo

I'd put him at lynch -1 but man the speed and man the conviction of mastin through gut and the two quick sheep votes

TIP this reminds me of like 190 where it goes sheep sheep lynch so no votey here for me love

[Bert]

I used that same tactic as scum when I was a newbie
Yes yes yes lynch

you seem to be real excited today, little grasshopper

what's up? sup

[Nachomamma8]

I would put our two heads into one but you're not working with me.

[TheIrishPope]

Please please please Bert I am so sure on this
Vote him pls