Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Nero Cain]

Also there's nothing about me thinking Voided is town so w/e.

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.7

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

VoidedMafia (5): morph the cat, BBmolla, 1baldeagle1, Klick, uʍop ǝpısdn
Lord Mhork (2): Nero Cain, Zdenek
Klick (2): Garuda, Seanald
Nero Cain (2): Lord Mhork, zMuffinMan
Seanald (1): PeregrineV
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics
1baldeagle1 (1): VoidedMafia
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): ProHawk

Not Voting (5): pieguyn, Lost Butterfly, Banakai, DoctorPepper, Harakiri

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-01 13:00:00)

Harakiri and Klick have been prodded.

DoctorPepper's V/LA has been amended to 10/21-10/22, and 10/25-10/26.

[Harakiri]

Prodded, Reading.

Tho lately my other head seems kind of de-attached from the game and it's quite a hassle to switch accounts while at work, will discuss further with him.

[Lord Mhork]

So is everyone who points out your scumminess scum or is this just a happy coincidence?

[zMuffinMan]

So.....you'd think it would mean they are calling you lurking scum but when I think the same thing its wrong?

you're an absolute moron

[zMuffinMan]

like... how fucking dumb are you?

@MOD,

Can we replace Nero with a doorknob?

Need something a bit more intelligent in that slot.

[Magua]

zMuffinMan, valued customer though he may be, is reminded about the rule governing personal attacks and is politely requested to knock it off.

[zMuffinMan]

you

did

start posting after mhork voted you. him pointing this out isn't incorrect. it's a fucking fact, you absolute [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. like i said, it may not be a significant fact, but you're calling him a liar and claiming he's scum for pointing out it's a fact when it is a fucking fact, you [REDACTED] pile of [REDACTED].

and yes, the last line of 1264 implies you think voided is town, because how the fuck would mhork get town cred for defending scum?

[Harakiri]

Tho lately my other head seems kind of de-attached from the game and it's quite a hassle to switch accounts while at work, will discuss further with him.

Banakai and I are on the same page--trust me, if i didn't have a reputation to uphold, I would willingly excise all information about this game from my mind and forget it ever happened.

Anyways, I fully read the past five pages and I can say I didn't read the last five pages, so I'm going to lay it down to Morph/LB/Nford/Pyro(Mhurk/Garuda/voided to a lesser degree).

You people have gotten nowhere today. Not anywhere. Nothing. Zilch. Look at the posts by everyone who is NOT you people. It's a series of prod dodges and complaining about the content you are spewing.

There is a reason for this

. I actually find myself agreeing with ProHawk right now when he said

I am concerned with the amount of noise going on between the big hitters of the thread and a bunch of what I consider to be flawed scum-hunting, which is based largely on personality-tells or meta.

I should not be agreeing with my scumreads about the outlook of a game.

But, likewise, I'm not convinced -any- of you are scum, despite a statistical analysis likely saying there is scum within you. Anyways, even so, what you guys have managed to do is

completely anti-town

. This is a game that punishes us for sitting on our asses til deadline--and guess the fuck what? You've nearly ensured this outcome by driving every single other fucking person away.

You are gifting scum the night phase on a silver platter

. I mean, yes, we have to discuss, but part of what won the previous iteration of this game was successful use of the night phase. It's clear the outcomes of n0 and n1 have already put us at a disadvantage: don't let it spiral out of control.

At the moment, if you guys notice, only one fucker has actually been scumhunting: my Lord and Savior, zmuffinman. I will likely join him in killing Nero soon.

[Harakiri]

And since me and Sakura are apparently so in-sync that no one can differentiate our posts, 1402 was Sakura and 1408 is Natirasha. I'll make an effort to sign from this point forward.

[PeregrineV]

I concede that Pere voting Seanald solely for this is silly.

I guess when Senalad explains why he is advertising to keep an ability that takes $600 away from mafia (who can transfer all their money to a single player, and reduce loss) and $1500 away from town in a game that requires abilities to be bought, then I'll think my vote is silly too.

Until then....

[zMuffinMan]

also explain why you advertised love potion and vote freezer, because both of those are pretty antitown and would have been better dying off with no advertising

[PeregrineV]

Okay my Night 0 advertisements are

Gravedigger, 1$
Cop, 2$
Doctor, 3$
Commuter, 2$
and
Neighborizer, 1$

Advertised a bunch of random stuff that sounded useful

Case in point.

[PeregrineV]

PV, were you the one who claimed to get neighborizer?

Yes, I won it night1.

[PeregrineV]

My memory is shit, but im pretty sure in marketplace 2 we had Day talk on the scum team, and klicks post there screams of knowledge that the deadline was going to be activated.

I. Rules

3. Mafia Role PM: At least one player will have received an un-redacted version of this Role PM:

Spoiler: Mafia (Left Hand) Member Role PM

Hello, XXX!

The free market is fine, but it’s so...inefficient. A shame, really, but from that insight you quickly realized that with the help of a few others who shared your views that this is a turning point, a time of opportunity. Control of the marketplace can lead to all of your dreams coming true; given such a reward, it’s obvious that you’ll do anything to eliminate the competition -- permanently.

You are a

Mafia (Left Hand) Member

, along with your partners [REDACTED].

Nest Egg:

You start the game with [REDACTED].

Wage:

At the end of every Day, you will receive [REDACTED].

Efficiency Bonus:

You do not receive an efficiency bonus.

Mafia Bonus:

At the end of every Day, [REDACTED].

Insider Information:

You know that there is another Mafia team, and that you win with them. You do not possess a factional Night-kill; in order to kill, you must win the Night-kill auction.

Daytalk:

You may speak with your partners in the Quicktopic here at any time.

Insider Dealings:

Any money you spend bidding on auctions that are listed in red is [REDACTED]

Dirty Tricks ($$$):

You have a number of dirty tricks at your disposal. Each Night, each member of your team may perform one of these (if desired); however, each Dirty Trick may only be performed once per Night. The first Dirty Trick is free; each subsequent use [REDACTED]. Dirty Tricks are not treated as targeted abilities; they cannot be roleblocked, and will not appear on Tracker or Watcher reports.

• Wire Fraud:
  Name two players, a transferer and a transferee. Any money that the transferer would transfer to the transferee during this Night [REDACTED].
  
• Lockout:
  Name a target player and a current auction. Any bid made by the targeted player for that auction [REDACTED].
  
• Countermeasures:
  Name a target player, a targeted ability name, and a target. If that player attempts to use that ability on that target during this same Night, [REDACTED].

Shell Game ($$$):

At any point during the Night, you may [REDACTED] to transfer some or all usages of one of your abilities amongst your team as desired. They may be used by the recipients that same Night.

Money:

Each Night, you may spend any or all of your money on the following activities:

• Bid:
  Bid on abilities being auctioned off in the marketplace. Described in Section III.
  
• Transfer:
  Choose another player. If that player is on your team, [REDACTED]. Otherwise, [REDACTED].
  
• Advertise:
  Influence what abilities will be auctioned off in the marketplace the following Night. Described in Section IV.

Fakeclaim:

The Entrepreneur Role PM is posted in the thread. If you give me specific game mechanics, I will write the relevant PM for you incorporating those elements with proper flavor and styling. In addition upon request I will verify that your math for fake wages, auctions, transfers, etc complies with all publicly known rules.

You win with the

Mafia

: You win when all the players alive have the Mafia win condition, and there is at least one player alive.

---

As a service to you, the valued player, I can set up a QT for your personal use instead of PMs. Let me know if you wish to take advantage of this offer.

The game thread is here. In order to confirm, please reply to this PM with any advertising you wish to do (if any). After everyone has replied, the game will proceed into Night 0.

[PeregrineV]

I think PV is town, but I'm wondering why he has said so little about the neighborize ability after the whole shabang day 1 about it.

It's actually going slower than I thought it was.

[Nero Cain]

I'd ask Muffin to be less of a moron but I think that's impossible.

you

did

start posting after mhork voted you. him pointing this out isn't incorrect.

it's a fucking fact, you absolute [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. like i said, it may not be a significant fact,

but you're calling him a liar

You have to post, I posted when I got back. Its hilarious that you think your vote on me made me "come and post".

you implied such.

but I like that you started posting after I finally voted you.

I didn't lie... I posted then you posted. That's a fact.

You implied that I posted only 'cause you voted me. Of course I posted after you voted me, silly. I believe that you weren't just posting a "fact" as you now claim. There's no scumhunting in posting a "fact" no, that was a pressure point statement to try and make it looks like I'm waiting for my name to be called. You keep backtracking like that and you'll moonwalk right out of this thread.

LEARN TO READ AND COMPREHEND YOU ILLETERATE FUCKTARD.

So is everyone who points out your scumminess scum or is this just a happy coincidence?

There's nothing scummy about being your mislynch bait.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, you used the neighborizer last night, right?

hmm

Vote: Nero Cain

Yes.

and

Yes.

[morph the cat]

@zmuffin

please be town. It will break our hearts if you're not town.

@Nati-harakiri

What, specifically, do you think we should focus on?

[PeregrineV]

That's part of the crux of his argument against you guys, and I thought he got that part across pretty clear that night? He says that it doesn't make sense for that to come from ffery. He said that from that post and the ones afterwards, you guys are treating us like we're town, but then not actually trying to figure out why our reads are what they are. It's just not what he would expect from ffery!town.

Why wouldn't ffery understand that type of thing though? In hard boiled, I made a post and ffery asked me who made the post. When I told her I did and asked why, she said she'd be scum reading us if Mala had made the post. (Or it was GiF, I suppose) The idea being I guess that you expect certain things from one person that you wouldn't expect from another.

I'm not going to start this argument again though as I think if you read Syry's posts from that night, you'll see what problem he had with it and what he expected from ffery if town.

As part of your personal conversation with me, I'd like Tammy's scumreads as they stand right now.

[zMuffinMan]

YOU ILLETERATE FUCKTARD.

thanks. i need to clean my keyboard because i spit all over it laughing at this.

brb.

[Voidedmafia]

Hmm no that's not what you quoted at all.

The font was included. Though, if you want me to be really specific now that I think on it, it was using the font along with the insistence on what you thought about Hermy.

I think I do. You had absolutely no suspicion of us until 1237, when you quoted a few random posts and said "this is scummy".

Yes, well, I'm terribly sorry that my read on you developed in that timeframe and I could actually parse things in your posts that looked scummy between all the annoying fights that Garuda, LB, Pyro, etc., were getting into.

Are you talking about Seanaldor Klick with that last "he" here?

COnsidering that I agreed with Seanald, why would he be the "he" there?

Yeah you caught me >.>
But shhhhhh. It's a sekrit.

Buh...MHORK! You can't tell them! They're the enemy!

Would you guys be angry if I replaced out

This game is just weighing me down, but I don't want to burden someone to read 50 pages while I only need to read 20

At this point...probly not, but then someone ELSE would have to read these 50-60 pages instead of you, and you already have some handle on the game.

Quick tip: between pages 40 and 50, you can pretty much ignore any posts made by Pyro, LB, and I think Garudo or upside down/Morph.

I do feel better about you, tho. Doesn't feel like a scum post.

So what did you think was his point then? IIOA? He was just pointing out that my post came after his vote.

The latter, if that was supposed to be a question and not a statement. Besides, that's really terrible stuff to put as IIoA.

I also advertised $3 on Love Potion and vote freezer

...Wait, what?

Why oh why would town ever advertise these things?

I don't think there's any other explanation for "I like how posted after I voted you" other than implying that his vote made me post.

How about "I find it interesting that you posted after I voted you, and I'm going to mention such"? YOu really can't comprehend how this is much more reasonable than "I noticed how you posted after I voted. Clearly my vote caused you to magically appear to post! I so gud!" (disclaimer: The last sentence is not meant to be an accurate portrayal of Mhork.)

Also there's nothing about me thinking Voided is town so w/e.

Muffin has a point, though. If Mhork's trying to get towncred for defending me, why would it work if we're scum together? Unless he can really pull off being floored if I flip scum, me-scum would just implicate him as being my partner through his defense.

Anyways, I fully read the past five pages and I can say I didn't read the last five pages, so I'm going to lay it down to Morph/LB/Nford/Pyro(Mhurk/Garuda/voided to a lesser degree).

I find it offensive to be included in this, unless you're complaining about who I'm scumreading.

I concede that Pere voting Seanald solely for this is silly.

I guess when Senalad explains why he is advertising to keep an ability that takes $600 away from mafia (who can transfer all their money to a single player, and reduce loss) and $1500 away from town in a game that requires abilities to be bought, then I'll think my vote is silly too.

Until then....

Okay, Pere. I see your point, and I agree that it makes Seanald look scummy, but...

How is this point SO GOOD that it's worth voting seanald over anyone else?

Case in point.

I don't see it, beyond how bad Banakai's spending was N0 (and it's only neutral-annoying bad, not scummy bad).

Pere, what exactly was the point of 1414? If you're trying to disprove Seanald's point, you didn't do a good job of it.

Nero's continued reactions to this topic pertaining to him are making me convinced that he should be going soon. UD's starting to make me feel the same way, but not as badly as Nero is.

Vote: Nero

[zMuffinMan]

nero,

i'll make this as simple as possible, in as civilised a manner as i can manage.

i agree, mhork

was

implying that you're lurking scum who showed up because he put a vote down on you. but what he was saying, that you showed up after he voted you,

is a fact

. i do not think it's scummy that mhork did this. it seems a fairly standard thing to comment on, and a fairly common way to gauge reactions of a player you're voting. why don't you explain why it's a scummy thing for mhork to do?

i think the last line of 1264 implies that you think voided is town, because why else would you suggest that you think mhork could be going for "town cred" defending voided? why don't you explain what you meant by this?

and finally, answer the question that i'm now asking you for the third time: why did you choose to advertise love potion and vote freezer?

[pieguyn]

up to page 40

[PeregrineV]

My memory is shit, but im pretty sure in marketplace 2 we had Day talk on the scum team, and klicks post there screams of knowledge that the deadline was going to be activated.

I. Rules

3. Mafia Role PM: At least one player will have received an un-redacted version of this Role PM:
[

"Mafia (Left Hand) Member Role PM

"]Hello, XXX!

Daytalk:

You may speak with your partners in the Quicktopic here at any time.

@Voided

- just wanted to point out that racking your brain for info from last game to apply to this game when the mod has already given the same information comes across as disingenuous.

Are you arguing that I shouldn't vote Seanald because he's not scummy

enough

?