Micro 242: Les Miserables Mafia (Game Over)

[Lord Mhork]

UNVOTE:

GG, your posts have been giving me all the good feels so that's why I think you're town.

Mala, what does that mean

Shos, I think tomorrow would probably be better unless someone has information that can confirm one of GG, mastin, or ghostlin.

Mastin is next on my list, but I wanna see how good a vote on him looks later when I'm awake.

[shos]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=12314
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=12314

Compare starting post in each. lots of townreads. lots of gut reads.

I searched for liike 30 minutes in his other games to find something similar, couldn't find. I conclude with GG's PoE that today's lynch is mastin.

VOTE: mastin2

[Ghostlin]

Lord Mhork has always read town to me. This day is further confirmation in this regard. He seems to vouch for bv310 from what I could gather. Scum would have no interest whatsoever to put bv310 forward as confirmed town. bv310, if indeed town, would have been the ideal mislynch for scum. So Mhork's confirmation makes both Lord Mhork and bv310 also town.

Not really. And this creates a small clusterfuck in logic when it comes to shos clearing Mala on this page. It is bleeding unlikely there are two different roles that exist to clear townies.

The fact that Mhork starts out by needling shos about what role he's holding sits exceptionally ill to me, so I seriously don't understand this part of this post.

[Lord Mhork]

I wasn't needling Shos about what role he was holding. >.>

[Ghostlin]

I can't see mastin as scum for several reasons. He was on funky's ass starting from his very first post. In mastin's case this is very telling, considering he made this topic: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31660. In general he was reading quite town to me, despite (or maybe because of) his reads sometimes seeming strange.

Mastin is Town, but it's not because he plays Professor Mafia at the local cantina; and there are reasons to push an underwhelming, newer scum player like funky under the bus, and it's precisely logic like this. T

Try harder.

(Borderline OOC: It's actually an excellent post. I think it's horrific policy to let MD lead your lynch decisions.)

[Ghostlin]

MALA IS NOT SCUM.

I CAN

I wasn't needling Shos about what role he was holding. >.>

#455. Aside from a full claim, how in piss did you expect HIM TO SHOW YOU WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT?

[shos]

^^^is true. you're lucky to have GG

[Lord Mhork]

I had thought I missed something obvious day one or something. He was babbling about conf town which gets thrown around a lot in place of obv town. It never even crossed my mind that it could be role related.

[Malakittens]

It's okay I thought you were soft claiming a role when I said Bv was scum.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Lord Mhork.

Vote: BV310

It was a safe hammer, he did none of the fucking lifting yesterday; and being a safe hammer, it'd look suspicious if he DIDN'T BUS.

If I'm wrong about Mhork, then yeah, bv would be my best guess at scum.

...Problem is, I don't think I'm wrong about Mhork. He looks like scum. His vote on funky was even safer than bv's hammer, and him actually voting funky was a good way for him to dismiss the theories of a funky-Mhork scumteam for good. (Except I'm not buying into that team being impossible.) Or to put it in your words--it'd be suspicious if he DIDN'T bus funky, as it'd give credence to my theory that they're scumbuddies, distancing but critically, not actually bussing.

Mhork's posting looked scum-oriented yesterday, and it looks even MORE scum-oriented today, with the Malakittens push. It's flat-out him using his hard-bus against funky to coast by on some

ridiculously

scummy pushes.

Lord Mhork has always read town to me. This day is further confirmation in this regard. He seems to vouch for bv310 from what I could gather. Scum would have no interest whatsoever to put bv310 forward as confirmed town. bv310, if indeed town, would have been the ideal mislynch for scum. So Mhork's confirmation makes both Lord Mhork and bv310 also town.

See, you were good until here. Here's where you go wrong, Grimgroove. I really don't think Ghostlin's scum, and I really, REALLY think it's either bv or Mhork. In particular?

Ghostlin, I don't think that bv is that good a person to go after right now. What do you think of mala?

This is him, wanting to mislynch bv tomorrow. He's not saying bv's not a good person to go after at all. He's saying bv's not a good person to go after TODAY. Mhork's plan was to lynch Malakittens, then mislynch bv, and then in lylo, probably mislynch Ghostlin if he hasn't died. (Or, better yet, flip Ghostlin and bv, because Ghostlin would help him lynch Ghostlin, and that'd leave a scummy-as-hell bv in lylo.) Killing between me, you, and shos, leaving whichever he felt is most manipulable between you and shos in the 3p lylo.

Should i even bring up massclaim?

I'd rather we let the mod do the massclaim for us via having a perfect win on D2. But failing that, I was thinking that if we mislynch today, we should massclaim on D3. It's the day before lylo, so no scum shenanigans, but allows the town's PRs an extra night of info without the scum being able to interfere as effectively.

[mastin2]

Compare starting post in each. lots of townreads. lots of gut reads.

I searched for liike 30 minutes in his other games to find something similar, couldn't find.

Well, that's because you have to go further back than half an hour's worth of research to find solo town games of mine that you can legally link to.

Observe. Start from the reroll. (Iso #2; post 113.) I immediately dish out a ton of reads. Almost zero reasoning, mostly gut.

Pinkmin Mafia's true opening post starts much the same way.
Also relevant, with lots of town and an immediate callout of scum.


In contrast?
In this game, I keep my mouth shut as much as possible, intentionally limiting my townreads. If I were town that game, I would have had a lot of townreads, but I didn't have them because I was scum.

Yeah. These are a bit further back. But they're all decently-recent history.

My play in Under the Sea was closer to my town game than to my scum game. Know why?

Because I explicitly knew it to be multiball

, and thus,

could do legitimate scumhunting

.

[Grimgroove]

It never even crossed my mind that it could be role related.

[Grimgroove]

I can't see mastin as scum for several reasons. He was on funky's ass starting from his very first post. In mastin's case this is very telling, considering he made this topic: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31660. In general he was reading quite town to me, despite (or maybe because of) his reads sometimes seeming strange.

Mastin is Town, but it's not because he plays Professor Mafia at the local cantina; and there are reasons to push an underwhelming, newer scum player like funky under the bus, and it's precisely logic like this. T

Try harder.

(Borderline OOC: It's actually an excellent post. I think it's horrific policy to let MD lead your lynch decisions.)

1. Wat is MD?
2. Why do you bother commenting on an argument when you actually agree with the townread? I also gave comments on your slot and asked you a direct question, so it bothers me you choose to comment on this rather than my questions/remarks to you.

Question to both you and mastin:

Why would mhork-scum suddenly grant a townread on BV310? MAstin, you say Mhork doesn't want to lynch bv today, but tomorrow. Why? Why this timing? It can only get hil in trouble, because he'll have to say WHY he didn't want bv310 lynched today. There's only so many reasons, and very few of them are temporary in a way that someone can't be lynched today, but can be lynched tomorrow. I can't think of any, in fact.

After what transpired yesterday, it's obvious something occurred during the night (this is role madness...). Hence, also my facepalm when Mhork didn't take that into account when frying shos.

[mastin2]

Why would mhork-scum suddenly grant a townread on BV310? Mastin, you say Mhork doesn't want to lynch bv today, but tomorrow. Why? Why this timing?

Because bv's the easiest mislynch he can get. Put it this way--we mislynch bv? Mhork gets towncred for saying we shouldn't have.

We don't mislynch bv and mislynch, say, Malakittens who he was pushing? Mhork can go, "welp, guess we lynch bv now". Explanations aren't required, and even if they are, it can be something incredibly vague, like, "if we're wrong, a bv mislynch would give us little info on who the last scum is" or something like that.

[Grimgroove]

The way Mhork started of this day, it's suggested he has arguments to prevent this mislynch. If we run-up bv310 for a lynch and Mhork remains silent, us questioning what Mhork was on about in the beginning of this day is unavoidable and explanations would definitely be required.

A more sensible plan for scum-Mhork would be to go ahead and mislynch bv310 along with the rest of town. We'll all be none the wiser the next day because we all voted bv310. How to spot the scum? And then Mhork could more comfortably move to another suspect without having to backpedal on someone he proclaimed town before.

[mastin2]

[quote="In post 489, Grimgroove"If we run-up bv310 for a lynch and Mhork remains silent, us questioning what Mhork was on about in the beginning of this day is unavoidable and explanations would definitely be required. [/quote] Not if he was counting on the towncred from the funky bus. Remember. I'm the only guy here who seems to hold that belief. Thus, if I'm dead, he gets to cruise by on towncred and not come under as much scrutiny.

A more sensible plan for scum-Mhork would be to go ahead and mislynch bv310 along with the rest of town.

Doing so would only make him fall under

incredible

scrutiny. Sort-of a balancing factor, you could say. Mhork on a scum lynch = towncred, Mhork on the following town mislynch = blow to towncred, whereas Mhork on a scum lynch and avoiding being on a town mislynch = more towncred.

[Grimgroove]

I think a lot will be clarified if we just go ahead and ask Mhork to explain why he's suddenly reluctant to lynch bv310.

I can't say I'm convinced by your Mhork-scum case. There's a sense of underestimation of the rest of town if you think that we'd let Mhork get away with a contradiction as large as "lynch BV" (D1) - "Don't lynch BV" (D2 - "Lynch BV" (D3), as what you suggest his plan would be. I don't see why Mhork would underestimate us like that.

I also don't see the "incredible" scrutiny point. Everyone on BV's wagon would be under the same scrutiny, allowing Mhork to hide among them and hold up mirrors whenever someone tries to shove the mislynch in his shoes. The blow to his towncred would be shared by everyone on the wagon, and thus easier to manage for Mhork than the contradiction-thing from the scenario in the paragraph above.

[Ghostlin]

It never even crossed my mind that it could be role related.

Yeah, I didn't fucking buy it either.

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin, did you crumb who you would be protecting?

Nope. I'm not a fan of spelling out people's names with my own blood and the like, and it doesn't actually help my damn role if I do or don't.

[Ghostlin]

1. Wat is MD?
2. Why do you bother commenting on an argument when you actually agree with the townread? I also gave comments on your slot and asked you a direct question, so it bothers me you choose to comment on this rather than my questions/remarks to you.

1. Mafia Discussion.
2. It does two things: one, it let's you interact with my pretty face, and two, when I say shit like this, I'm not really concerned about Mastin, but how you got that thought process on Mastin. In other words, I'm more direly concerned about the logic you're using to seemingly clear Mastin because if you're scum (and yes, I do rank that as unlikely) you've already discarded him as an unlikely mislynch by doing so.

The problem with your previous comments about the active lurking is I don't know what's going through funky's head in the first, and in the second, I feel that that was also equidistancing from both shos and Mhork, neither of which you'll argue their alignment about.

[Lord Mhork]

Fuck off mastin. You're wrong.

I didn't think it was role related 'cause I'm not trying to role fish. I've been playing this game mountainous in my head from the start because that's all I've needed. I found funky didn't I? Why the hell would I power bus him so hard? There were plenty of other people I could have gone after.

This is probably all the real content you'll get from me today. IRL has me FURIOUS.

[Ghostlin]

Why would mhork-scum suddenly grant a townread on BV310?

This is Mastin's rather limp, defomed baby, but I'll make a fucking stab at it: the only reasons he would have is to divert a lynch off BV because BV isn't a very hard lynch and this would create towncred. Also, by claiming BV town, he can crumb some sort of investigation role later when he gets the lay of the land better.

[penguin_alien]

'Ow do you do, my name's PA
This is my game; I'll watch you play.
Not much to look at, just micro
Easy to tie into a bow.

This is my plan, my set-up I crafted
Here on the board in Mayfair Club.
/In'ed you did, and all roles were drafted
What did you get, now that's the rub.

Think you're good, think you're keen,
Place your votes, don't be mean!

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.01

Lord Mhork (L-3): mastin2
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-3): shos
bv310 (L-3): Ghostlin
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):
Grimgroove (L-4):

Not voting: Malakittens, bv310, Grimgroove, Lord Mhork

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)

[Ghostlin]

Hey, Grim. If you're that convinced about Mastin/me, why aren't you voting Mastin/me?

[Ghostlin]

It sounds like you've PoEd this game to shit; I, personally, would of made a confident move and told town to get on the wagons I liked or else.