A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Nautilius]

There's the option of just saying "It happened, deal." or something to that effect.

Yeah I don't think that response was particularly ballsy coming from SpyreX.

That group has been such a vocal minority, I wasn't aware they existed.

Well, it's a wonderful time to meet you, then. Why do you think SpyreX is town again?

Doubly so when you've got a halfie about me being scum.

I can happily listen to your towncases when I have a halfie about you being scum. I'm one of those crazy people who will sometimes listen to people even when 100% convinced they are scum, especially when that person is SpyreX!

I only have three objections: AGar, lack of Messiah, and the order.

You're not gonna be able to convince me on Messiah quite yet.
But orders, AGar, I'm all ears.

Who made this post?

ActionDan.

No I don't.

Then why do you think you're cleared by your push on SpyreX?

The same ultimatum goes for you, Syryana. Don't care what are your RL conditions. Shape up or GTFO.

Syryana isn't in the game currently.

My sleeping pill is kicking in, but I'm just posting this here because I wanted to remind myself to respond to this and your zdenek read. I'll do it tomorrow.

Okay!

Aside from that, I'm in general agreement with your townreads though

Talk to me about those townreads that dwell in my bottom 6.

Improvement from Nautilius here (ACTUAL SCUMREADS WITH ACTUAL REASONS WOW) though I am somewhat torn. The catchup progression seems legitimate when looked at in its totality, but it just seems totally bizarre that he wouldn't focus on his scumreads first.

Townreads are more fun. And if I tell myself I'm going to do something in alphabetical order, I'm going to do it in alphabetical order.

That wasn't really as interesting as we hoped.

Your catchup post makes me feel better about the read I have on your slot!

[Goat on a Raft]

Your catchup post makes me feel better about the read I have on your slot!

[Cephrir]

I only have three objections: AGar, lack of Messiah, and the order.

You're not gonna be able to convince me on Messiah quite yet.
But orders, AGar, I'm all ears.

My list is something like {Alchemist/Messiah/Garruk, Zdenek, Goat, SpyreX}

Who made this post?

ActionDan.

I guess I knew that already, I just wanted to hear it from them. What I was really saying was "this had damn well better not be a chesskid post".

[Tierce]

Syryana isn't in the game currently.

Wrong!

[Alfred Borden]

I ended up falling asleep on the couch when I got back ;_;
I'm still here albeit less lucid than before.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
this is what I leave for you all wrt stupendous

I took a look at these two games and the very first thing I noticed is that he tends to keep his activity way up as town and not really so much as scum. The big marker for me is that he's very cheeky / confident as town (he's not afraid to talk shit like he did here in #275) and that he tends to get way more involved in argument with other players (his early back and forth with Smoker in that town game is a good example) and he's also much more persistent with his questioning. In that scum game, he spent most of his posting posturing about activity and there's much more of an emphasis on self defense than genuine scumhunting. Actually, looking at these games makes me more worried about him -- his activity hasn't been great, he hasn't been as engaged here as he was in that town game, and there just plain hasn't been as much persistence / aggression coming from him (though I wonder how much of this is Large Game Syndrome).

Did you read those games and if so do you agree or disagree?

[Tierce]

Look, if I have to argue with anyone that The Alchemist is not CES and that it is a sham of an impersonation, I'll be very sad at your skills of detecting people from playstyles. And frankly, the absence is really really bothering me and you know why, Syr. Trying to duck out of contributing in a game with Empire, Nacho, Tammy and me looks really freaking disgusting. Don't care if you are busy, you've shown you're perfectly capable of replacing out in those circumstances. The fact that you're not doing so show that this situation is to your advantage.

UNVOTE: quadz08
VOTE: The Alchemist

Tell them Alleras sent you.

[PrideandJoy]

Uh dan no we're not gonna vote benmage

[PrideandJoy]

Zdenek is int this game and didn't replace anybody what?

[quadz08]

VOTE: The Alchemist

This is a good idea

[Alfred Borden]

{SpyreX, Zdenek, The Alchemist, AGar, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless}

this is pretty much my kill group in order

Disagree completely with Goat and Garruk (as in, I'll be pretty surprised if both of them turn out to be scum, especially CDB's slot given what I know of his meta) and I'm leaning town on Zdenek. Give me a moment to pull up the games after I finish catching up here. The Alchemist likely isn't scum either given who he replaced and who I think he is (I'm like 90% sure it's not Syryana).

P-edit: Aside from the superficial CES stuff, what about the Glass Towers references (that definitely seems like something only he would cook up)?

[Alfred Borden]

^P-edit was directed at Tierce, sorry.

[Tierce]

I have no idea what Glass Towers means, but that's not CES. Look at the activity pattern. You're telling me he's posting in the middle of the night? How about when they are American timezones instead? Makes a lot more sense.

[Alfred Borden]

Well, I have no idea what Glass Towers means specifically but it seemed to me like it's the kind of goofy obscure remark / nickname CES tends to give out in his own peculiar trolly way *shrug*

I'll take a look at the time zone stuff when I'm done reading the thread.

[Tierce]

Yeah, screw that, look at that ISO and tell me that this is Syryana playing Town. Go ahead.

[Alfred Borden]

Oh no doubt about it if that slot's still Syryana it's very likely scum but I still need to actually figure out if it's him or not.

[quadz08]

dat detective work from tierce

dayum son

[Garruk Relentless]

I don't think The Alchemist is Syryana.

Like, I really don't.

I've thought about this the last day or two, and this is my -current- theory on Alch.

He's a Third Party. Or, well, whoever killed(notice I used the word killed--Syryana is long gone) Syryana is a Third Party, likely SK. And Alchemist is a puppet account being controlled by that person. It helps everything make sense in my book...

[Tammy]

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[Alfred Borden]

VOTE: Benmage

This day feels all wrong. I no longer like any of the wagons. I want to go in a totally opposite direction.

I want a lynch like on the 2nd day of the Balto invitational, to go to a place where no one particularly looks or scrutinizes. I don't remember Benmage playing particularly towny. I'm just reminded of the wire.

Uh as someone who was also in The Wire and was fooled by him in that game, no. Just no.

Empire. You have two posts to convince me you are Town. I'm done with this lurky BS, it's getting worse everyday, and Friday and Saturday are past. Where are your thoughts about the game?

Sorry but no. I don't have to convince you of anything when it's readily apparent from my posts that I'm pretty damn obvtown in this game and you of all people should know my posting habits better than most others (especially in hydras). My thoughts on the game have largely remained unchanged (except a few reads have gotten stronger like kanye and ooba after doing some meta work). I'm starting to get the same vibe that others are getting about Too Many Townreads which makes me think something weird is going on here.

That's not necessarily a scum list, though I do think that Spyrex and Elle have a really good chance at flipping scum, but that's my people I would lynch list. Basically I just feel better about other people being town than I do them.

Fair enough, though we'll agree to disagree on kanye and ooba. I really do want to hear your thoughts on SpyreX and elleheathen though.

[Garruk Relentless]

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Of course, you hold the key to this whole thing, no?

[Benmage]

Im always against Faraday shenanigans.

Unvote vote The Alchemist.

Reck replaced himself in as an SK weird role...once into a game he was in and played dumb.

[Alfred Borden]

I need to lie down because I'm not feeling well at the moment but a cursory check of CES's posting times (EST is being used here as that's my time zone) reveals that he tends to post very late at night (3-5 AM) or mid afternoon-ish (11AM-5PM)

[Tammy]

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Of course, you hold the key to this whole thing, no?

I at least have part of the key. It's really the alchemists place to answer questions about him, but if he doesn't show up this evening and clear some of this up and do something, I'll clear up some of it because it's getting ridiculous.

[Messiah Complex]

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Of course, you hold the key to this whole thing, no?

I at least have part of the key. It's really the alchemists place to answer questions about him, but if he doesn't show up this evening and clear some of this up and do something, I'll clear up some of it because it's getting ridiculous.

I think that it's pretty apparent that he isn't going to be saying much. What do you/we gain from withholding the information you have? Would it be revealing more than you'd be willing to give?

Reading back through Alchemists ISO is like riding through a ghost town, things are there but at the same time they are just not. I would need to talk with Desp to solidify this, but I'd be fine with voting Alchemist unless he provides some significant content.

[Tammy]

No. It's just not me and my information to out, except for now at the point that it is with him going Mia and causing a distraction, I will out some of what I know, or think I know.

I'm just giving him the opportunity to do something about it himself. If he's lurking and sees that I'm willing to put an end to the mystery maybe he'll do it.