Micro 246: Chosen Mafia (N2!)

Bert · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:23 am

Yeah, he did, but he let go and went into uncertainty: And plus I wouldn't call that vote a strong push by any means. He went HI NACHO or osmething and then VOTE, and then didn't keep up the pressure if there was any.

In post 477, mastin2 wrote:Problem is, I am seeing some of that tone. And I don't know that you-as-scum couldn't pull of the lynch. (Though, strictly speaking, on a purely technical note, you didn't; it was a modkill. )

In post 485, mastin2 wrote:Nacho's actual read is nearly identical to TIP. Via logic, I can see him as scum and even lean that way. Via gut, I can see him as scum but for some reason lean the other way into town. I should have a stronger read on him. I SHOULD have more. But...I don't. That's really it. That's all I've got. Thus, the absolutely-failed gambit in a desperate attempt to get SOMEthing about him.

This seems rather...odd too it doesn't feel right.

Bert · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:24 am

At this juncture, he can easily go back to me, or you, or phok, or... because he isn't really leaning one way definitively, like on me or TIP or you.

that's the whole picture I'm getting...and I suck at explaining cuzs I just took up lots of posts and I'm in a rush

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:25 am

In post 550, Bert wrote:Yeah, he did, but he let go and went into uncertainty: And plus I wouldn't call that vote a strong push by any means. He went HI NACHO or osmething and then VOTE, and then didn't keep up the pressure if there was any.

but the point is that for the majority of the game he's been making a push on a strong player so there's no opportunism you're speaking of until the phok vote.
you criticize him for waffling on the scumread on me, but I don't think that's unusual for people who are scumreading me, especially Day 2 in a Micro.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:28 am

not to mention you're criticizing someone for waffling.

Bert · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:36 am

OK true.

But still his reading Darger as scum without a post is still pretty bad IMO. And the plan about having the strong players be immune D1. Coming in and seeing him tell me I'm scum because of Darger and POE at this stage of the game, that gets to me dude.

Bert · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:39 am

and why you aren't a strong townread is mostly because

you sheeped Mastin's vote right away when it wasn't even a full catchup post as he isn't fully caught up and back

in a 7 player game, knowing full well who is in this game (TIP and I)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:42 am

In post 554, Bert wrote:And the plan about having the strong players be immune D1.

Why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:42 am

In post 554, Bert wrote:But still his reading Darger as scum without a post is still pretty bad IMO.

I was reading Darger as scum without a post.

In post 555, Bert wrote:you sheeped Mastin's vote right away when it wasn't even a full catchup post as he isn't fully caught up and back

in a 7 player game, knowing full well who is in this game (TIP and I)

So?

Bert · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:50 am

In post 556, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 554, Bert wrote:And the plan about having the strong players be immune D1.
Why?

because it's blasphemy, do you agree with it? when most players here are experienced anyway?

In post 557, Nachomamma8 wrote:I was reading Darger as scum without a post.

why?

In post 557, Nachomamma8 wrote:So?

Micro 190... two flashlynches, ruins the game and there are impulses

Bert · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:52 am

Also, you asked me why I didn't vote mastin earlier. Why didn't you vote phok earlier? It's not like phok had said anything else between your last post and Mastin's last post...

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:01 am

In post 558, Bert wrote:because it's blasphemy, do you agree with it? when most players here are experienced anyway?

You didn't answer my question.

In post 558, Bert wrote:why?

PoE.

In post 558, Bert wrote:Micro 190... two flashlynches, ruins the game and there are impulses

You realize this as town and I seriously don't expect you to quickhammer out of nowhere.

In post 559, Bert wrote:Also, you asked me why I didn't vote mastin earlier. Why didn't you vote phok earlier? It's not like phok had said anything else between your last post and Mastin's last post...

Are you sure about this?

projectmatt · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:14 am

In post 431, Bert wrote: Matt, I miss your poetry and upon first skim I can't remember much about you or Phok or Tammy

My dearest Bert -

shall I compare thee to a summers day?

No, I shall not. Impassioned is the flame of my desire for you

Impeccable is the coalition of pain I feel for you, when you say -

"Surely, the presence of Matt lacks from my view!"

Contribution notwithstanding -

Shan't we dredge this sea together?

projectmatt · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:14 am

I've read up on everything and I'll probably be able to make a real post tonight.

mastin2 · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:15 am

In post 489, phokdapolees wrote:
In post 485, mastin2 wrote: I still think phok's scum by gut. I haven't looked at things logically. I don't have a rational explanation for it. I just
feel
like phok's scum, here.
I thought you said before that your reasoning for voting me was me playing the noob card and being more "confident"?

Sure, at the time, but then Nacho came in with a counter-case, which I haven't yet fully parsed. Basically, you could still be scum for that, but that's not why you're scum to me anymore. It's purely off of gut.

In post 492, phokdapolees wrote:So questioning a player for changing his reasoning for a vote is scummy?

No, but the way in which the question is asked very well can be.

Bert looking decently town to me right now, by the way.

In post 521, TheIrishPope wrote:You're high
There's not much to say, twenty pages that aren't particularly filled with content...
1. Nachomamma8 I think is Town because he's being passive (like when he ICs)
3. mastin2 is null, because I had him as definitely scum early on (I know his scumplay) but then he turned around and started looking alright...
4. Tammy is just a lurky scumfuck
5. Darger has done nothing
6. phokdapolees is scum for sure; he's imitating my newbie scum play
7. projectmatt seems alright I guess? Nothing to say really
8. TheIrishPope is silky and Town

On the one hand. If TIP were scum, I'd expect him to have me as more than null. On the other hand. TIP's posting has been getting much worse.

Also, I sorta get this weird feeling that one of/both of TIP/phok are either a Chosen One or scum. The way players seem to be interacting with them kinda points that way.

In post 546, Nachomamma8 wrote:here's the voting me part

With b tags. Not v tags. The real "vote" comes in my next post of that day. Not with the vote, but the content present, where instead of a joke reason (I thought either you were neighborized by Tammy or Neighborized her), I committed to the gambit. (Which, as it turns out, was pointless given as how this game doesn't work that way.

)

Random side-note. If Nacho and Tammy are both town, we totally should have done my townbloc idea on D1. Woulda completely decimated the scum, given how half my choices have already flipped town, I have a townread on the third (Tammy), and am trying to figure out the fourth right now.

Bert · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:17 am

HELL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Nacho I am gonna prove how town I am

I wanna remain in this game for as long as possible before

WE GO OUT TO THE SEVEN SEAS

MANNNNNN FUCK YES!

FUCK FUCK FUCK YES! I just threw out the F BOMB YEAHHHHHHHHH

In post 560, Nachomamma8 wrote:You didn't answer my question.

which, sorry I'm multi-tasking and just finished chapter 7 yeah baby yeah

In post 560, Nachomamma8 wrote:Are you sure about this?

I meant your last post before Mastin's catchup, and Mastin's vote. No phok comments in between those two.

In post 560, Nachomamma8 wrote:PoE.

After what happened in 1489, I expect more from you

Really, PoE? with 7 players and no scum flip to speak of

Bert · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:18 am

^first part of that was directed at project mattt

Man matt I don't feel particularly suicidal either let's not die today, deal? <33333333

YESS YESS YESSS I'm gonna have so much energy to finish my homework and get to this game today and tomorrow YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH

RA RA OOH LA LA BAD ROMANCE!!!!!!

projectmatt · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:18 am

That's the kind of enthusiasm I like

Bert · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:21 am

In post 561, projectmatt wrote:My dearest Bert -

shall I compare thee to a summers day?

No, I shall not. Impassioned is the flame of my desire for you

Impeccable is the coalition of pain I feel for you, when you say -

"Surely, the presence of Matt lacks from my view!"

Contribution notwithstanding -

Shan't we dredge this sea together?

I died when I read this. I think I died two times in the last minute.

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

YES! BRAVO BRAVO BRAVAH BRAVO

*standing O*

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:48 am

In post 564, Bert wrote:which, sorry I'm multi-tasking and just finished chapter 7 yeah baby yeah

Still haven't?

In post 564, Bert wrote:I meant your last post before Mastin's catchup, and Mastin's vote. No phok comments in between those two.

Then I have no idea what you're asking or why it's significant.

In post 564, Bert wrote:After what happened in 1489, I expect more from you

Really, PoE? with 7 players and no scum flip to speak of

1489, where Marangal got closer to endgame than she should have due to SURPRISE MULTIBALL

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:50 am

In post 568, Nachomamma8 wrote:SURPRISE MULTIBALL... and a lover vig claim

Not too worried. It's also how I got an early scumread on Cabd in mismatched and is how I usually lynch scum, so it's not that likely I'll switch my style now.

Bert · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:05 pm

In post 569, Nachomamma8 wrote:Not too worried. It's also how I got an early scumread on Cabd in mismatched and is how I usually lynch scum, so it's not that likely I'll switch my style now.

This is believable

In post 568, Nachomamma8 wrote:Still haven't?

*sigh* I'll look over this game late tonight

In post 568, Nachomamma8 wrote:Then I have no idea what you're asking or why it's significant.

Never nevamind then

In post 563, mastin2 wrote:The real "vote" comes in my next post of that day. Not with the vote, but the content present, where instead of a joke reason (I thought either you were neighborized by Tammy or Neighborized her), I committed to the gambit. (Which, as it turns out, was pointless given as how this game doesn't work that way. )

Wow, you disguised the gambit well or I'm just really naive =]

So what is your conclusion from the gambit?

Bert · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:08 pm

In post 568, Nachomamma8 wrote:1489, where Marangal got closer to endgame than she should have due to SURPRISE MULTIBALL

I took a nice nap after our tit for tatty. Lemme see. Yes, Multiball. But, I'd think you need more time to sort out Tammy and projectmatt (who haven't been hrre that much) to get firmer reads before you POE like you did in Mismatched? And people like phok, and then TIP who Mara was waffling on?

I would think you'd need more time, that's all

And I went off on a tangent on Mastin and it makes no sense looking back, hey I had a headache is the only excuse I have <3

but I meant what I said about Projectmatt's poetry!!! And my reads though they were all TRUE to the BLUE

True blue.......*madonna song begins*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51LunEV3Sk

Bert · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:18 pm

In post 521, TheIrishPope wrote:3. mastin2 is null, because I had him as definitely scum early on (I know his scumplay) but then he turned around and started looking alright...

Ah, what was scummy about his play earlier on? I saw mention just then of a game called Walking Dead - does that possibly have anything to do with it? I may jump onto the phok wagon later - I will definitely consider it as phok can fool me I think - but first let's work together since Nacho is being very aloof and distant ~evil twisted grin ~

In post 521, TheIrishPope wrote:6. phokdapolees is scum for sure; he's imitating my newbie scum play

Elaborate please, Jacob?

Now time to find Nacho's questions.

Bert · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:22 pm

In post 537, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why didn't you vote him earlier?

I did not vote him earlier because I saw people calling him town a lot. Bert is not always a one-man show to lead a wagon, but the way the wagon on phok went to lynch -1 didn't feel good. His half-catchup post doesn't do it for me, sorry. It looks like something I would type (look at it and if you don't see what I mean, say so), and he can do so much more than that

In post 539, Nachomamma8 wrote:"giving him a free pass". what's the difference between giving him a free pass and not suspecting him?

They are almost interchangeable. Since you're not being suspected, you're being given a free pass? I guess free pass is "not looking into this person for scumminess, not prodding enough for reactions" while "not suspecting" is more like "he looks pretty town, so no need to prod more into this person" I see your point though. Mastin is not being suspected as much as I think he should be. I should have said that rather than "he is being given a free pass" - which is incorrect of me to remark.

Bert · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:25 pm

In post 543, Nachomamma8 wrote:What would qualify as a full scum read?

reading someone as scum in your heart, it all starts from the heart (and now in hindsight 20/20, not gambitting (sp?) by saying someone is scum while not genuinely believing in that person as scum))

so using a gambit and calling someone scum and announcing you have a scumread on them when you aren't really sure - that is not a full scum read in my book

In post 556, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why?

I think you should devote equal time into each person D1, in case you miss something about one of the stronger players. Important for first impressions. I think the stronger competent players need more time (and effort) to sort out than newbies or people like me. Please understand that. If you leave people out of the sorting and assume they're town D1, that's essentially a free pass.