Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.11

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Klick (6): Garuda, Seanald, pieguyn, 1baldeagle1, Harakiri, Klick
VoidedMafia (3): morph the cat, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
Lord Mhork (2): Nero Cain, Zdenek
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): ProHawk
zMuffinMan (1): PeregrineV
Lost Butterfly (1): Lost Butterfly

Not Voting (2): Banakai, DoctorPepper

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-01 13:00:00)

[PeregrineV]

Okay my Night 0 advertisements are

Gravedigger, 1$
Cop, 2$
Doctor, 3$
Commuter, 2$
and
Neighborizer, 1$

Advertised a bunch of random stuff that sounded useful

Case in point.

Which case is this the point of?

The advertising of town-useful items. And the amounts are amounts that someone with $100 has, to keep them from falling off the charts, but still keeping money to maybe use in an auction later.

[PeregrineV]

@Voided-

So am I scum WITH Nero, since I have a team and all? And why are you not voting me if you think I'm scum AND have the nieghborizor?

Vote: Voided

[Garuda]

Empire here checking in, just letting you guys know that apparently I have a stomach virus. I'll be catching up here when I don't feel like complete ass.

[Garuda]

Although I will say that Klick probably isn't a good quicklynch target after the replace out/replace in/self-vote shenanigans.

[Voidedmafia]

@Voided-

So am I scum WITH Nero, since I have a team and all? And why are you not voting me if you think I'm scum AND have the nieghborizor?

Vote: Voided

I WAS MAKING CONJECTURE! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND HERE?!

I mean, really?

[Nero Cain]

i agree, mhork

was

implying that

you're lurking scum who showed up because he put a vote down on you. but what he was saying, that you showed up after he voted you,

is a fact

. i do not think it's scummy that mhork did this. it seems a fairly standard thing to comment on, and a fairly common way to gauge reactions of a player you're voting. why don't you explain why it's a scummy thing for mhork to do?

So...I'm gone for a bit. Mhork lays down a vote on me. I come back. Mhork is all like "teehee my vote made you come back." "Umm no. Your claim that I'm lurking scum is dumb" "Wait, I never implied that at all!!" which is what we are arguing about. For you to call me stupid for thinking that and then AGREE with me is so subpar.

I don't think Mhork as town would imply that and then backtrack.

YOU

cannot believe both things, that he was both "pointing it out" and implying that I was scum lurking. I think you were attempting to rile me up. I don't know if that makes you scum w/Mhork or opposite team scum but I don't really care.

i think the last line of 1264 implies that you think voided is town, because why else would you suggest that you think mhork could be going for "town cred" defending voided? why don't you explain what you meant by this?

Well, I don't know what's going on. I have scum reads on both Voided and Mhork. Mhork keeps trying to make counterwagons to save Voided so does that make him more likely to be scum with Voided or is Voided opposite scum. idk.

[Nero Cain]

i agree, mhork

was

implying that

you're lurking scum who showed up because he put a vote down on you. but what he was saying, that you showed up after he voted you,

is a fact

. i do not think it's scummy that mhork did this. it seems a fairly standard thing to comment on, and a fairly common way to gauge reactions of a player you're voting. why don't you explain why it's a scummy thing for mhork to do?

So...I'm gone for a bit. Mhork lays down a vote on me. I come back. Mhork is all like "teehee my vote made you come back." "Umm no. Your claim that I'm lurking scum is dumb" "Wait, I never implied that at all!!" which is what we are arguing about. For you to call me stupid for thinking that and then AGREE with me is so subpar.

I don't think Mhork as town would imply that and then backtrack.

YOU

cannot believe both things, that he was both "pointing it out" and implying that I was scum lurking. I think you were attempting to rile me up. I don't know if that makes you scum w/Mhork or opposite team scum but I don't really care.

i think the last line of 1264 implies that you think voided is town, because why else would you suggest that you think mhork could be going for "town cred" defending voided? why don't you explain what you meant by this?

Well, I don't know what's going on. I have scum reads on both Voided and Mhork. Mhork keeps trying to make counterwagons to save Voided so does that make him more likely to be scum with Voided or is Voided opposite scum. idk.

[Nero Cain]

I feel I've found scum in Mhork/Voided/Muffin. I'm rethinking Hana though. I can see the Klick case but its just...doesn't feel as slimy as those 3.

[Lord Mhork]

You're a moron

[Nero Cain]

Maybe so but I've found scum and at the end of the day that's all that matters.

[1baldeagle1]

VOTE: Voidedmafia

[1baldeagle1]

Quicklynch on Voided, yes?

[1baldeagle1]

Also, most of Voided's posts are just replies to people who are calling him scummy, when they have question.

Just self-defense from Voided, and I don't see anything else in the ISO.

[morph the cat]

Not too quick.

We need to decide if Cabd's plan is a go:

So I think adding randomness sufficiently allows us to still break the game even at 80% transfer rate. I'd like feedback on this plan from players that played the first two games, and anyone who enjoys mechanics breaking (hi nati)


So basically, you take the 6 most accepted globally townreads. Assign them each a number 1 to 6. Each player in the null/scum piles rolls their own D6 overnight. Those that roll an even number on their first roll transfer money. Those that roll an odd number use their money to advertise things that are assigned to town to advertise, as an even spread. Those that rolled to transfer money then roll a second D6, and the number they roll is who they transfer money to.



So let's take the example of town agreeing to advertise abilities A thru E tonight. I'm in the null pile but town, so I follow along. I roll my first D6 and roll an odd number. I have 50 dollars. I then advertise 10 dollars each on A thru E.

Let's say I had drawn evens instead on my first roll. I go and look at the globally created townlist, and roll to decide who I send my money to. I then send my entire amount.

So long as town all follows this plan, the scum players won't be disruptive enough to entirely over-ride it, nor will their countermeasures be able to predict who exactly is doing what. Additionally, even if they kill from within the six, there's still money and power in the other five.

To Do List for Town before Lynching

A: Determine the core 6 players we want as designated money/ability recipients (nominate 6 players other than yourself please)
B: Determine what abilities we want advertised tonight
C: Powerfuck a scum PM into the dead thread asap once A and B

People need to post their list of 6 players they are most town and trustworthy to carry through on this stuff. And their list of 5 most important-to-town abilities. Here's ours.

Morph's Six Top Townreads

Peregrine
Pie
Pyro
Prohawk
Harakiri
Lost Butterfly

Morph's Abilities to Advertise

Cop
Neighborizer
Doctor
Watcher
Wage Freeze

[Harakiri]

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

[1baldeagle1]

Mkay.

Pyro
Pene
morph
pieguyn
ProHawk
LB

Neighborizer
Cop
Doctor
Wage Freeze
Auction Detective

Btw:

Player	Advertise for N2
VoidedMafia
PeregrineV
Nero Cain
Seanald
guille2015
Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
Pyrotechnics (a hydra of Syryana and Tammy)
morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)
BBmolla
Banakai
Harakiri (hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
zMuffinMan
Hermy
ProHawk	Doctor
Lord Mhork
Zdenek
1baldeagle1
DoctorPepper
Klick

@mod, can we get the list of abilities still left in the game please?

[1baldeagle1]

Uhh, ignore the doc on ProHawk, I don't think he's advertising it.

[morph the cat]

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

Do you see a way to modify and fix?

[Lost Butterfly]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=23495

I don't think these are particularly similar situations other than the fact that it's klick asking for replacement in a game.

I'll post our list later, also Mina wants to bring up some advertising stuff or analyse it or something, and I want to try and catch the second half of the Arsenal/Dortmund game in a bar.

[Voidedmafia]

@mod, can we get the list of abilities still left in the game please?

Just check the N1 post for that <_<.

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

huh?

How do we did this? Is there a way to influence how many abilities are up for auction?

I think that'd just be a matter of only advertising a couple things at night. I don't recall the rules saying there was a default amount that would always go up for auction each day.

@mod, can we get the list of abilities still left in the game please?

Just check the N1 post for that <_<.

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

huh?

How do we did this? Is there a way to influence how many abilities are up for auction?

I think that'd just be a matter of only advertising a couple things at night. I don't recall the rules saying there was a default amount that would always go up for auction each day, but it does run the risk of two items that have $0 spent on advertising them being removed from the game.

Both Love potion and Vote Freezer are extremely pro-town and it would make it harder for scum to mislynch. I'll go into a longer explanation later if need be and repond to some other stuff when I get back home.

Did this happen?

yes

Did your thoughts on these mirror Pere's, or were you going to explain these?

@Voided- So am I scum WITH Nero, since I have a team and all? And why are you not voting me if you think I'm scum AND have the nieghborizor?

Wait wait wait, where the hell did Nero come into this, anyways?!

[PeregrineV]

Wait wait wait, where the hell did Nero come into this, anyways?!

You're voting him.

[Harakiri]

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

Do you see a way to modify and fix?

Not unless you can fix human nature. It's still worth a try, I guess.

[Magua]

@mod, can we get the list of abilities still left in the game please?

Spoiler:

Abductor x 1
Auction Detective x 2
Austerity Measures x 1
Bulletproof x 2
Commuter x 1
Cop x 2
Coroner x 2
Deadline x 1
Doctor x 2
Extra Vote x 1
Federal Reserve Chairman x 1
Governor x 1
Gravedigger x 1
Hitman x 2
Investigation Immunity x 4
Love Potion x 1
Market Analyst x 3
Medium x 3
Messenger x 2
Neighborizer x 2
Night-kill x 1
Ninja x 4
Roleblocker x 3
Self-Watch x 1
Tailor x 3
Tracker x 2
Vote Freezer x 2
Vote Nullifier x 1
Wage Freeze x 1
Watcher x 1

[Nero Cain]

@ Bald, you really think Morph would imply that I'm lurking scum then say that he didn't...as town?