A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tammy]

**Tammy

I'd also like to here the reasoning behind not claiming and allowing this charade to continue. What were you trying to protect?

It wasn't my role to out and I had a town read on him. When it became a distraction and it was obvious he wasn't going to do anything, I made it clear that I would.

what were your thoughts about him completely disappearing activitywise from the game?

That it was annoying and typical syry.

[kanyeknowsbest]

so you still have a townread on him? was he active at all in your qt?

[Tammy]

so you still have a townread on him? was he active at all in your qt?

He was very active until we lost it at the end of day one.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 3, Vc 19

SpyreX (4) -

Tammy, ooba, Zdenek, elleheathen

AGar (1) -

The Alchemist

Zdenek (5) -

kanyeknowsbest, StupendousMan, Shadoweh, SpyreX, AGar

elleheathen (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Benmage (1) -

PrideandJoy

The Alchemist (8) -

Tierce, quadz08, Benmage, Garruk Relentless, Messiah Complex, Goat on a Raft, Alfred Borden, Nautilius

Not voting (2)

:Cephrir, SafetyDance

With 21 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 25th of October at 16:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-25 04:30:01)
  
• I am V/la! Expect me once a Day to do VC's and prods and that type of stuff though.

[Tammy]

His lurking is annoying, but I still believe that he's town from his the posting in the neighborhood.

You don't think that there's a chance of his alignment changing?

When I told mollie that I was trying to work some things out, I was trying to work out that and if he was scum overall. I had thought that if he were scum I would be dead as I claimed in the qt. and I decided that he's almost definitely not group scum, unless this is multiball and he feared getting caught out by the other team shooting me, but since we've only had one kill I don't buy that. So, if it's not multiball then he wouldn't have any reason to disappear to be separated from dying when I did and he could have easily used the qt to manipulate me. So I have very high doubts he's group scum.

So, concerning the alignment change...why bother? If he was town to begin with, which is what he would prefer to be, why disappear and change his alignment to lurk? And if his alignment changed to a serial killer, which is what it would have to have changed to, why not play the fuck out of that? Iirc we've talked about the serial killer role before, and he's said he's never been an sk and would like to be one. And then where's the extra kills he suddenly became an sk day two. Tierce mentioned him prod dodging to avoid notice, but if he's an sk, why not kill one of us? Hell why not kill me, the one person who knows for sure what happened with the alchemist thing?

I wouldn't mind knowing if anyone received a coin though.

[Goat on a Raft]

I changed my mind on them a little while ago, and I explained why and everything. I don't think that they're obvious town anymore so you should probably run me back through your read of them, Tierce.

You didn't explain why we're "totally scum", just why you apparently couldn't call us town anymore. You haven't really commented on our actual play at all, explained why we're more likely scum than town, and it seems weird that you could seem so sure before and not now even if you suddenly decided that our declaration of a census is null (and, also, can you explain why it's null? Because we definitely wouldn't have said anything if we were a scum census taker. We'd have either had to seriously clue in the town [we wouldn't want to do that, even to be seen as a census taker] or give a wrong census [which could potentially bite us in the arse]).

[Tammy]

I'm not as confident in Goat and Garruk because the main things clearing them were role-related reasons and I keep getting reminded about role related reasons to clear being bad in these specific scenarios. I'm also having trouble finding people who I feel good about calling scum elsewhere and I trust myself more on reads than I do on role shit at the moment.

My sleeping pill is kicking in, but I'm just posting this here because I wanted to remind myself to respond to this and your zdenek read. I'll do it tomorrow.

With goat it's not really role related for me but attitude and tone, though I do think they outed their role in a townie way, though the role could be either way. And if they are scum they probably gave us a wrong number, anyway, but that seems weird to do. But although Cdb doesn't sound like he did in red wedding, he sounds like he did in the wire, and I just think he's town.

Garruck is lesser but the way he came out with tierce being town to him day two felt more like it. Would come from a townie. Idk this isn't super strong and it's not necessarily his rile that makes him town, but more like the way he used it. Actually, I want to think about something with this and look back at something. Probs won't happen tonight though, I'm being crushed by life ATM.

As far as zdenek, I liked the way he interacted with me on day one, specifically the "what were you thinking" question directed to me. He used a similar tone with amrun. I also like that he has me in his null but wouldn't lynch list. I feel like it would be easier for him to just townread me like most everyone else and call it a day.

[Tammy]

Syryana was town but I don't think that matters much.
Tierce/Tammy are very strong scumreads.

I can understand seeing Tammy as scum Re: drunbkposting even if my initial townread is holding.
I'm not sure why you'd suspect Tierce though.
Cut: >:( Here I am taking you seriously and you're just a huge troll I hate you again!

Just for the record, my sobriety level is not alignment indicative and I'm just as likely to drunk post as either alignment.

If you were referring to my posts the other night? I was sober just extremely exhausted.

Did you have a problem with any of my reads, were you joking or just going with something you thought would be easy because it was being brought up?

[Tammy]

oh also i still believe in my spyrex vote

and i think you should too.

Tammy, do you think scum-SpyreX comes in and says "I would do it all over again even if I had read every post?" re: his hammer?

Why wouldn't he? Spyrex is not a weak player, so I wouldn't exactly put making a ballsy statement past him as scum.

[Tammy]

No time to go in depth but the zdenek wagon is the best of the three options.

Then why are neither of you voting him and actually making it a viable wagon option? Your votes are doing so well there in that 'Not Voting' pile.

Are you reading the game?

[Tammy]

Curiosity SpyreX: You want me dead for the L-1 vote or for general play? Trying to get a gauge on who's actually, y'know, pursuing a case, and who's afraid to take on a POWERFUL WIZARD so taking the copout vote.

Not for the L-1. Aint nothing wrong with that. I really didn't like Andrius and I really didn't like your early play. I will admit, and maybe its because you're rubbing my ego's belly and making it purr, I'm starting to get hesitation because defending me when people are clamoring for blood doesn't make a lick of sense scumwise.

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I hear you took a break and are a little rusty. I don't think you're that rusty to believe this though.

[Tammy]

VOTE: Benmage

This day feels all wrong. I no longer like any of the wagons. I want to go in a totally opposite direction.

I want a lynch like on the 2nd day of the Balto invitational, to go to a place where no one particularly looks or scrutinizes. I don't remember Benmage playing particularly towny. I'm just reminded of the wire.

I don't think you read the wire if this reminds you of it.

[Benmage]

Who opted for the divorce, and did both have to confirm? ( what of the children?)

As if I'd forget to drink my moon tea after someone leaves me. Please I'm not *that* dumb.

Who severed the marriage?

[Tammy]

Who opted for the divorce, and did both have to confirm? ( what of the children?)

As if I'd forget to drink my moon tea after someone leaves me. Please I'm not *that* dumb.

Who severed the marriage?

He did ultimately. I fully claimed my roles to him and let him know he would die if I died and vice versa. He told me that he had the ability to disappear which would break the link between us. Originally he said he wouldn't use it because it would be more fun to have a qt, but I felt bad about my role and told him to consider it that way there wouldn't be two deaths for one. We didn't talk about it after that first night, so I don't know why he chose to use it in the end.

[Nautilius]

Did he know what would happen after he disappeared?

[Benmage]

Well first of all.... I'm a little perturbed that you didn't want to marry me. I'm the gd Hand after all.

Secondly, there is next to no logical reason for him to lurk the way he has... and he derailed the Agar wagon. Which sucks.... and with him at 8 votes, I'm pretty sure we're past the point of no return(PoNR). I don't have the energy for this, and as a member of team Blood. eff it, let the mofo burn. Because like I said... why the fuck lurk mania? Ruined today completely. It doesn't seem like he's some special PR to protect.

Fuckina.

LYNCH!!!!

[Tammy]

Well first of all.... I'm a little perturbed that you didn't want to marry me. I'm the gd Hand after all.
!!

Lol. I actually considered it (but from the way you reacted to faraday, I thought he might have made you a hand, and not the hand as in a full human). Also, if I was going to go for someone I thought could be town, I wanted someone I didn't think would be mad to get stuck dying with me.

[Tammy]

Did he know what would happen after he disappeared?

I don't know what you mean. He claimed to me, but he didn't say his alignment changed with disappearing if that's what you're asking.

[Nautilius]

Did he know what would happen after he disappeared?

I don't know what you mean. He claimed to me, but he didn't say his alignment changed with disappearing if that's what you're asking.

As in did he know what powers it would bring/etc?

[Tammy]

Did he know what would happen after he disappeared?

I don't know what you mean. He claimed to me, but he didn't say his alignment changed with disappearing if that's what you're asking.

As in did he know what powers it would bring/etc?

As far as I know his roles remained the same whether he was syryana or the alchemist. That was just one of his roles.

If someone has received a coin, that would be helpful to know though.

[Nautilius]

Nope, still broke.

[Nautilius]

You didn't explain why we're "totally scum", just why you apparently couldn't call us town anymore. You haven't really commented on our actual play at all, explained why we're more likely scum than town, and it seems weird that you could seem so sure before and not now even if you suddenly decided that our declaration of a census is null (and, also, can you explain why it's null? Because we definitely wouldn't have said anything if we were a scum census taker. We'd have either had to seriously clue in the town [we wouldn't want to do that, even to be seen as a census taker] or give a wrong census [which could potentially bite us in the arse]).

Your role isn't enough for me not to call you scum (town doesn't get too much benefit from knowing the number of scum, you wouldn't lie). Your actual play has townie sounding points, but not enough where I'm even close to being comfortable with your slot. And if it's weird, I guess you should probably start reading me as scum. You are the towniest of all the scumreads though, so you still have plenty of time to kill me during the night and not have it trace back to you.

[Nautilius]

Vote: SpyreX

[Shadoweh]

Did you have a problem with any of my reads, were you joking or just going with something you thought would be easy because it was being brought up?

Town: Benmage, Cephrir, Garruk, Goat, Messiah, Shadoweh, Tierce,
Probably Town: Alfred, quads, the alchemist, zdenek, nautillus, safetydance
i will lynch any of: SPYREX, elle, ooba, prideandjoy, kanye, (at least on scum is in my town reads...I need to reread)

Yeah, our reads kind of disagree a little, your number 1 guy is the one I don't think is scum and you're actively reading the guy I'm voting as town. I wasn't joking about feeling less sure about you now then earlier. I don't think it matters too much right now.

:/ This day is just going to be about the least bad pick isn't it. Nautcho, what about Tammy's explanation switched you off of Alchemist?

[Tammy]

Okay Shadoweh

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TAT.

how you like them apples?