Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Nero Cain]

@ Bald, you really think Morph would imply that I'm lurking scum then say that he didn't...as town?

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.12

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Klick (5): Garuda, Seanald, pieguyn, Harakiri, Klick
VoidedMafia (5): morph the cat, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, PeregrineV, 1baldeagle1
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
Lord Mhork (2): Nero Cain, Zdenek
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): ProHawk
Lost Butterfly (1): Lost Butterfly

Not Voting (2): Banakai, DoctorPepper

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-01 13:00:00)

[morph the cat]

@ Bald, you really think

Morph

would imply that I'm lurking scum then say that he didn't...as town?

Wat?

[Lord Mhork]

Nero you're being stupid and trying to rewrite what happened. You're caught. Just accept it.

Yo, powers that be. Can we please lynch Nero first? I'm like, 78% sure he'll flip scum. If he doesn't, I'll shut up and listen more to you guys. Maybe I'll even read all your posts. But if Nero survives this day, he'll just coast the rest of the way.

[Nero Cain]

@ Bald, you really think

Morph

would imply that I'm lurking scum then say that he didn't...as town?

Wat?

mhork sorry.

Mhork pretending like I've been caught is pretty funny.

[Lord Mhork]

I Love your muffin scum read. Where'd you get it?

[Nero Cain]

The fact that he's saying that you DID imply I was lurking scum but fence sitting on the issue and saying that you were also just pointing it out [that I posted after you voted me.]

PV also made some good points about him.

So what do you think about Muffin?

[Lord Mhork]

He's one of the most obviously town players in the game >.>

[Voidedmafia]

You're voting him.

Okay, so why are you suggesting that you and Nero are on the same team? You could be opposite scum as far as I know right now, unless you want to claim one of two other things.

And again, since you seem to agree that I'm somehow scumslipping: How is it NOT conjecture on my part?

Also, Mhork seems to be townread anyone who defends him. It's beginning to smell like buddying.

[Nero Cain]

ok?

For a guy that finds me scummy for thinkin' you implied that I was lurking scum I don't understand why you thinks he's OBV town for agreeing with that. But w/e. Muffin will just come in here and huff and puff steam and I really don't care about his lunatic rantings. But ya'lls "logic' has made my head hurt so Ima go lay down.

[Lord Mhork]

Was muffin defending me? He's just been bleeding town over the last few pages. 0.o

[Nero Cain]

Says Muffin's been "bleeding town" but doesn't notice Muffin defending him?

If Muffin is scum its not with Mhork.

[PeregrineV]

You're voting him.

Okay, so why are you suggesting that you and Nero are on the same team?

You're voting him because he's scum. If your not, why are you voting him?

You're calling me scum (stating my "team" could have gotten both NK and neighborizer), but not voting me.

Your conjecturing, but if you conjecture we are both scum, then you either think we are on the same team or opposing teams.

If you have enough information to reach the conclusion that we are both scum, then you should also have reached a conclusion that we are on the same or opposing teams.

So either you don't believe what you are saying, or your making shit up. Which is it?

[BBmolla]

Dont wanna read upside's crap

me neither. that guy's an

idiot

Not at all, you're just everywhere

[BBmolla]

Nacho/Empire: Can one of you tell me what we're doing, there are so many people trying to take the lead, just tell me what you want me to do

[Garuda]

Nacho is going to tell me that it makes perfect sense for Voided to be this paranoid. And I'm going to point out that even I give Cabd time and room to actually do something I
can I freak out about before I start with the in-thread squinty eyes.

Your paranoia usually has some sort of logic to it. I can't say Voided's does.

since I feel like some of the points in his walls have been insincere and opportunistic.

I'm still getting pretty much the complete opposite of this.

Also, this post reads like he's fishing for the other team:

I don't think PV-scum'd lose much by fishing for a partner N1, so long as it wasn't a blind toss. I would hope that if he is on a team they used other means to find scum last night. (and one in particular)

This is a weak point.

Seanald is a mystery to me at the moment. I keep going both ways, I think his day 1 stuff seemed scummy in the "oh jee willickers guys so many posts" sort of way, I thought the Klick vote was town, but came from a scum thought process, but it could have been his scum process from Marketplace II moving over if that makes sense.

Empire liked Seanald's lack of attempting to appear helpful earlier in the game, I really liked his theory on Lost Butterfly activating deadline.

I don't remember disliking any Klick votes. I think Klick votes are probably fine votes. I'm not sure about Quilford's feelings about Klick, though; I mentioned that I didn't like Klick day 1 to him and he said he felt the same way about the game and that he didn't think it was that bad. I don't think he had a full on townread or anything, though.

I think Quilford had a scumread on us for "the shitty circumstances surrounding [our] Klick vote" or I'm just intensely confused about everything.

I don't know why you think Klick isn't capable of faking all that crap? I've seen him replace out as mafia in very similar circumstances before.

And then replace in and self-vote? That was the part that did it for me, mostly.

@ Bald, you really think Morph would imply that I'm lurking scum then say that he didn't...as town?

What?

Nacho/Empire: Can one of you tell me what we're doing, there are so many people trying to take the lead, just tell me what you want me to do

We gotta figure out what we're doing first.

[BBmolla]

Alrighty.

[Garuda]

So basically, you take the 6 most accepted globally townreads. Assign them each a number 1 to 6. Each player in the null/scum piles rolls their own D6 overnight. Those that roll an even number on their first roll transfer money. Those that roll an odd number use their money to advertise things that are assigned to town to advertise, as an even spread. Those that rolled to transfer money then roll a second D6, and the number they roll is who they transfer money to.

My major concern with your plan is that there's too much money going towards advertising. We can reasonably spend like $20 on what we want to appear the next day and it will appear, and even IF the scum decide to spend major money getting what they want to appear the next night, this accomplishes holding off our powers one more night, which doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Rolling the d6 to determine who they send money to in the 6 man town block seems to be the best plan to me while designating one or two or maybe even three other scummy people to advertising things.

[morph the cat]

So basically, you take the 6 most accepted globally townreads. Assign them each a number 1 to 6. Each player in the null/scum piles rolls their own D6 overnight. Those that roll an even number on their first roll transfer money. Those that roll an odd number use their money to advertise things that are assigned to town to advertise, as an even spread. Those that rolled to transfer money then roll a second D6, and the number they roll is who they transfer money to.

My major concern with your plan is that there's too much money going towards advertising. We can reasonably spend like $20 on what we want to appear the next day and it will appear, and even IF the scum decide to spend major money getting what they want to appear the next night, this accomplishes holding off our powers one more night, which doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Rolling the d6 to determine who they send money to in the 6 man town block seems to be the best plan to me while designating one or two or maybe even three other scummy people to advertising things.

That sounds fairly easy to tweak.

Would it make sense to assign advertising duties and then have everyone, including the advertisers randomly funnel money to the consensus 6 trusted townies?

[Garuda]

Yeah, that's what makes most sense to me.

[Garuda]

And from there, we can use Neighborizer to coordinate and have some of the townreads secretly funnel money to one of them to go for a Nightkill attempt, although that's considerably more risky.

[Garuda]

The day will end when the day will end. We can start worrying when it gets to be near 10 days, if you're that worried about it. Rushing lynching just for the sake of money won't get us anywhere.

Again, I thought this would be an uncharacteristically smooth thing to say if you have deadline/know the other scumteam has deadline and is going to activate it.

Morph, don't lie to me. P-EDIT: We pretty much just were scum together. Sorry if I'm a little paranoid now.

I see how this paranoia can seem fake, but I don't see the scum motivation in faking paranoia of you. Voided sure as hell isn't going to try to mislynch you.

I largely adverted EV for myself. Had thought of the possibility for better people than me to get it, but largely for myself (and to make sure scum didn't advert or get it later).

This does seem optimistic, but it also seems too heavy of an importance on EV which seems to me to be something that an uninformed townie is far more likely to do (see: Seanald and his misguided perception of Austerity Measures).

Given how little I'm liking bald's push on them, I'm starting to think they're town. At the very least I don't think they're scum. I like their most recent post as well.

I didn't like this because it does betray "looking for one scumteam" motivations as well as a confidence in baldeagle being scum that seems pretty overplayed.

Your, ahem, "point" in that post was completely alignment irrelevant and reeks of trying to find a reason to paint bald as scummy.

I DO like this, though.

that wasn't really what i was asking. you are calling them town partially because baldeagle is attacking them. even if bussing weren't an extremely common tactic and even if you're right about baldeagle, LB could be other scum so baldeagle attacking LB shouldn't make you think LB is town just because you're scumreading baldeagle.

...And?

My answer's still the same.

This seemed stubborn as hell, but more likely town than anything. I can't see scum being called on a scumslip and responding with this, just because it seems so damn ballsy.

P-EDIT: Farady, that award doesn't generalize you into being a nice guy all the time. -_-

Voided getting paranoid over Faraday's trolling was good.

Sorry, Empire.

This was genuine as well and has the whole "more smooth than I'm expecting Voided-scum to be" quality to it.

But why would they blow it now? What's so dangerous today that they need to stop any talks right now rather than prevent things later?

And I just realized why the would use it now. Derp.

Seemed genuine.

I don't see how you got "VM was trying to some extent coordinate with the town" from why I advertised EV. I could see where you could get "VM tried to help town", but not coordinate.

Don't see why Voided would challenge his own towniness here.

He's just mad that his VM mislynch is falling through.

Fair question, though.

"Too smooth to be scum", part 3.

WE HAD THREE DAYS TO LYNCH SOMEBODY!! YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING -BUT- SPEEDLYNCH SOMEBODY IN THAT TIMEFRAME, YOU IDIOT!

Caps make *most* things look fake, but in particular, I understand his frustration and I don't think that he's capable of faking it as scum. Although for the record, this isn't the good part. The good part in the ISO comes later.

Do I have to give you the same spiel I gave Bo about labeling stuff as scumclaims for stupid reasons?

(He was scum in this game, I think.)
He's also talking down to you in a way I'm not sure he would be if he were scum.

You have to understand. Yes, the talk during D1 IS important (or at least most of it is <_<). However, despite all the discussion that came up during D1, only two or three wagons (prior to Hermy's were actually at any strength and had any chance of being the lynch: Mine, Harakiri's, and Lost Butterfly's. No one else had any sort of wagon strength at the time, and those who were originally on those wagons were beginning to believe us to be town and left those wagons without enough votes. As I just said, those of us who originally voted Hermy found a scummy post (and an equally scummy reply/follow-up post) and voted her for it; the rest of the wagoners either agreed with our assessment (and/or didn't like what she said in reply), or piled on for the sake of getting a lynch (which is ALMOST ALWAYS BETTER THAN NO-LYNCHES NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK THE ALIGNMENT OF THE LYNCHEE IS, EXCEPT IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES ON A GAME-TO-GAME BASIS!).

If you truly found this to be lynch bait, etc., why did you not try to push against her lynch back when there was still 48 hours or so left? I may not be remembering events correctly at that time, but there was very little opposition to the wagon when it first started (excepting yourself).

This was the better part of the ISO that I promised, and I'm also fairly confident that this push came at a time when Prohawk was beginning to lose a lot of heat and be accepted as one of the townie chosen few. The initial push might have been opportunistic, but the followup pushes combined with the frustration in his interactions with Prohawk are NOT opportunistic anymore and are actually very very town.

How sad is it that I'm completely unable to get any handle on how I feel about Morph, pyro, Garuda, or Upside down? These spats that they're having should probably be pinging my radars at some level, but I can't seem to find it, and it's getting a little (read: very) irritating. Maybe it's just because these spats just read to me as useless blather that only helps them determine their read(s) on each other.

This frustration seemed very genuine, although I note the lack of Lost Butterfly in these complaints.

Hell, Mr. non-answer. Would you like to see my scummy pile?

Also seemed like an unlikely interaction w/morph if Voided were scum.

morph are in my scumpile.

The reasoning for this (the majority of which I could grok was "sheeping Nacho when your reads are to the contrary" and things like this) make this statement more town than it already is, regardless of its horribly wrong-ocity.

I still feel that prohawk should be lynched, but it seems that there is not enough support for it.

Vote: Baldeagle

This vote is interesting because when it's followed up, it's followed up with a:

Nero's continued reactions to this topic pertaining to him are making me convinced that he should be going soon. UD's starting to make me feel the same way, but not as badly as Nero is.

Vote: Nero

...which comes a bit more out of the blue and could be trying to capitalize on the growing nero hate.

Seanald is just being stupid. I'd like to maintain a scumread on him but I just can't fathom ANY scum saying that shit with a straight face. He's not town and never will be town, but I won't lynch him today.

This seemed genuine.

Overall, Voided is still a strongread for me. There are signs of paranoia (and not just the obvious early one) all over the place, and he's pulling this game off with a confidence I personally haven't seen in any of his scumgames. There are a few quotes that I look at for a while and then go "if Voided is really pulling this off as scum, then he's doing a hell of a job" and they aren't in one or two places but are generously sprinkled all throughout his ISO. I don't think Voided has a scumgame that looks like this.

[morph the cat]

Nacho is going to tell me that it makes perfect sense for Voided to be this paranoid. And I'm going to point out that even I give Cabd time and room to actually do something I
can I freak out about before I start with the in-thread squinty eyes.

Your paranoia usually has some sort of logic to it.

I can't say Voided's does

.

Is this in general or specific to this instance?

[Garuda]

Both.

[Garuda]

The strongest reason for Peregrine being town is probably snagging Neighborizer Night 0 for $100, and the way that situation that came about. Regardless of what scumteam he was with, if Peregrine put down a $100 bid on something that would be that effective for scum and just sort of got it, I think scum would keep that on the down low and not let him claim it. But just in case it was just a bid that looked town enough where the scumteam decided he should probably claim it, the really good parts are the followup based on him attacking people based on the scumminess of their advertisements. And when he conflicts with Muffin about this specific scenario, he immediately and smoothly turns to attacking the fuck out of Muffin based on that logic, which seemed extremely town to me. Peregrine is generally a pretty lurky guy in general, and as scum he exploits that and stays under the radar, so I can't imagine Peregrine-scum coasting on a good amount of towncred buckling down to attack Muffin, of all people.

Very likely town.