Newbie 1437 - Chocolate Fondue Mafia (Over)

[Fart Bane]

Are you referring to the title I gave myself?

[Mr. Flay]

Okay, so reread of the first 200. zakk and TAM are the confTown. zakk was voting TAM, so that only leaves jmo16mla, Mindgamer, Number_0ne, and Mr. Flay on the wagon. notsci and The-Duck explicitly Town-read him; both make me itchy. Fart Bane ignored the matter almost entirely, but in what seems a genuine way (he was pretty tunneled on notsci). Nobody really backed off, except jmo16mla's odd postlynch regret which still reads as townish. I also think jmo16mla's 2nd vote on TAM (#146) looks very genuine for the stage of the game it was in. Mindgamer's also been pretty consistently aggressive so far, so coming in with a wagon-evening vote doesn't really rub me the wrong way.

N1's jump on the TAM wagon though (#159) is pretty suspicious, as he leaves himself plenty of outs for notsci to be scum instead. I'll laugh if I called it in the very next post:

if only one of them is scum, now is the time when we'll start to see pressure to lynch the other from his buddy...

Oh, and The-Duck's townread of TAM was #158. Neat.

On the gripping hand, The-Duck immediately addresses my #160 in #161, though he then accuses jmo16mla of doing the same thing with notsci, twice. Doubt those two are scum together.

Number_One on the other hand was VERY quick to notice that we'd achieved lynch when I blundered. Not a scumtell in and of itself given the late stage of D1, but his vote switch relies heavily on Mindgamer's case, not his own, and he basically switched off of jmo16mla because "it wasn't going anywhere" (#159). Yet when the TAM lynch goes sour, D2 he comes in and goes after... Fart Bane? The lurker?

And as was already pointed out, he didn't announce that we were at L-1 despite it being mentioned several times in earlier pages. Sloppy? He seems precise otherwise...

VOTE: Number_One
[doublechecks the ^$#$^& count]

[jmo16mla]

so its number one+the duck?

[DeasVail]

Vote Count 2.01

Mr. Flay (1)- Mindgamer
Fart Bane (1)- Number_0ne
Number_0ne (1)- Mr. Flay
jmo16mla (1)- The-Duck

Not Voting: Fart Bane, notscience, jmo16mla

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

3rd November 4pm AEDT. This is in (expired on 2013-11-03 01:00:00)

[Mr. Flay]

I'm not trying to nail a team today. Not much point without an initial flip.

[Number_0ne]

Number_One on the other hand was VERY quick to notice that we'd achieved lynch when I blundered. Not a scumtell in and of itself given the late stage of D1, but his vote switch relies heavily on Mindgamer's case, not his own, and he basically switched off of jmo16mla because "it wasn't going anywhere" (#159). Yet when the TAM lynch goes sour, D2 he comes in and goes after... Fart Bane? The lurker?

Well, over the night phase, I looked over posts and Jmo's suspicion decreased while Fart Bane's suspicion increased from my point of view, causing me to vote for him.

And as was already pointed out, he didn't announce that we were at L-1 despite it being mentioned several times in earlier pages. Sloppy? He seems precise otherwise...

I'm very sorry that you didn't notice the vote count 2 posts above my post.

[notscience]

jmo and flay do you want in the townbloc

[Mr. Flay]

With you? Not sure. Why are you townreading Mindgamer?

[notscience]

Why aren't you?

I've seen the exact same behaviour, the hiding of townreads, as well as solid reasoning and not just made up bullshit for votes coming predominately from town.

[jmo16mla]

Wtf is townbloc?

[Mr. Flay]

He's trying to build a confTown block to avoid voting each other and to vote together, in the hopes of driving lynches toward scum.

I don't like the concept (I vastly prefer scumhunting), I think it's too dangerous in a game this small (scum only need three ML), and I don't have any reason to trust notsci in particular. Also in a NG the meta is pretty wide open, makes townhunting much harder IMO.

[The-Duck]

first off, Flay, I'm sorry for your loss

Jmo

, I don't think your "FLAY " says anything about your alignment.
Regarding the expected rise in activity of a player under pressure for lack of activity, do you believe that townies don't get more active when they get pressured for inactivity? And if so, why only bring it up at (what you thought was) L-1 or earlier, because the pressure was building on him for quite some time..
I don't know what my case would look like if TAM flipped scum, I'm not even sure there would have been a case.

Number

, what are the things you've found to be scummy in Fart Bane's postings, and what makes Jmo less scummy?

Notscience

, what gave you the impression that scumhunting is going nowhere and we need to go and make a townbloc?
I don't see how that has a bigger chance of working then normal hunting... The only thing it does, is give scum a few tips on who to shoot; Unless you have a scum in your bloc, then the game is practically lost right?

[Mindgamer]

Yes, I missed it. 159 was posted two minutes before my 160, at 6 in the morning. It probably just showed up in Post Review (since I was responding to 158), and I was only half awake... what's my scum motivation for taking such a crap route to a D1 lynch? More attention on me for the rest of the game? Think, man.

Fine. I still think the hammer is extremely scummy, but there are also good reasons to think you're town. Tunneling on a hammer won't get me anywhere.

Unvote

I'm going to townbloc becasue scumhunting isn't cutting it this game.

Thus far-

Me, Mindgamer

Perhaps you should try scumhunting first? I haven't gotten the impression that you've done any so far.

Love all the townreads I have on my wagon btw- oh, wait.

When you said this you had Flay, Duck and Fart Bane on your wagon. Yet Duck and Bane aren't included in your block. So all in all you have a townread on 5 out of 7 players (5 out of 6 not including yourself). I fail to see how additional townhunting is going to help you when you've already formed townreads on every player but one.
Also, I remember you saying you were going to give this game the attention it deserved when you got your laptop. So far I've only seen a few 'might be newbtown/newbscum' comments, that hardly qualifies as the attention you should put into this game after your lackluster performance yesterday.

Regarding Flay's case on N1: There are some valid points in there, but the thing that actually rubs me the wrong way about N1 is how he started this day:

Well, we should get this game going.

I do not feel that this game could in any way be considered 'stalled'. We just had a 'quick' lynch with two competing wagons, an attack right out of the gates Day 2 and N1 wants to spice this game up by... voting Bane? I'm not seeing it. I also don't like how all his votes so far have been rather safe. What I mean by that is that he doesn't vote out of conviction, but rather because of a vague reason that he can't really be accounted for.

Post 56: N1 votes Flay because he doesn't see anything else.
Post 140: N1 votes Jmo out of instinct.
Post 159: N1 votes TAM because time was running out.
Post 188: N1 votes Bane after saying the game should get going.

It is this veil of cautiousness that gives me a N1-scum impression.

[Mr. Flay]

Glad to hear it, Mindgamer. I don't expect a pass, but it was not a good sum move either. Still, why no vote on N1?

Too many people are not posting this week.

[notscience]

When you said this you had Flay, Duck and Fart Bane on your wagon. Yet Duck and Bane aren't included in your block. So all in all you have a townread on 5 out of 7 players (5 out of 6 not including yourself). I fail to see how additional townhunting is going to help you when you've already formed townreads on every player but one.
Also, I remember you saying you were going to give this game the attention it deserved when you got your laptop. So far I've only seen a few 'might be newbtown/newbscum' comments, that hardly qualifies as the attention you should put into this game after your lackluster performance yesterday.

Flay, we really need that Sarcasm font.

Why am I townblocing? Simple. My style of scumhnuting isn't working.

[jmo16mla]

Jmo, I don't think your "FLAY " says anything about your alignment.
Regarding the expected rise in activity of a player under pressure for lack of activity, do you believe that townies don't get more active when they get pressured for inactivity? And if so, why only bring it up at (what you thought was) L-1 or earlier, because the pressure was building on him for quite some time..

I don't know what my case would look like if TAM flipped scum, I'm not even sure there would have been a case.

HM?

Both parties should react to pressure. In my mind, scum would attempt to catch up and be more productive faster than a townie.

[Fart Bane]

I don't have time now todo a substantial post.. but please anyone explain to me and Jmo what town-blocking is. I googled it but I found nothing. Tanks.

[jmo16mla]

He's trying to build a confTown block to avoid voting each other and to vote together, in the hopes of driving lynches toward scum.

[The-Duck]

Jmo, I don't think your "FLAY " says anything about your alignment.
Regarding the expected rise in activity of a player under pressure for lack of activity, do you believe that townies don't get more active when they get pressured for inactivity? And if so, why only bring it up at (what you thought was) L-1 or earlier, because the pressure was building on him for quite some time..

I don't know what my case would look like if TAM flipped scum, I'm not even sure there would have been a case.

HM?

Both parties should react to pressure. In my mind, scum would attempt to catch up and be more productive faster than a townie.

I don't have enough experience to know what scum would do, but it seems unlikely that there is a notable difference in response time, but discussing this is not getting us closer to finding scum imho.

You asked me if my case would look different if TAM had flipped scum, I don't know for sure what I would think of your actions in that light.. but I'd say that pushing for a lynch without reason is far less scummy if the lynched person is scum. at that moment it would have been very easy to defend your mate/deflect the pressure to the counterwagon. So, had TAM flipped scum, I don't think you would, but he didn't, and I'd like to know why you thought it relevant?

[Number_0ne]

Number

, what are the things you've found to be scummy in Fart Bane's postings, and what makes Jmo less scummy?

Well, while Jmo originally wasn't really contributing to the conversation, he seems to have taken a more central role after TAM was lynched. Also, I agree with his town read on Flay. His reaction to the quickhammer also seems town to me, because I find that there would be no benefit for scum to quickhammer on that, and pushing a lynch on him for that would be scummy.

As for Fart Bane, he had been posting a lot, only to just go silent when TAM starts to get lynched. It seems to me like he was uncertain on how he should respond to the wagon, and was worried about giving a scum reaction.

@notscience
Isn't it really risky to do a townblock so large in a game this size? Also, the whole asking jmo and flay if they want to join the townblock seems a bit strange to me, while you just added mindgamer without asking.

[Fart Bane]

Except not really. I was more focused on Not Science because I had a strange feeling about her/him (NO CLUE). I ignored the TAM wagon altogether. Maybe I shouldn't have but whats done is done. I just thought we were giving up on the Notsci thing all together way to fast.

[Fart Bane]

ANYONE WITH THE HEART TO REPLY. WHAT THE PAQ IS TOWNBLOCKING

[jmo16mla]

Jmo, I don't think your "FLAY " says anything about your alignment.
Regarding the expected rise in activity of a player under pressure for lack of activity, do you believe that townies don't get more active when they get pressured for inactivity? And if so, why only bring it up at (what you thought was) L-1 or earlier, because the pressure was building on him for quite some time..

I don't know what my case would look like if TAM flipped scum, I'm not even sure there would have been a case.

HM?

Both parties should react to pressure. In my mind, scum would attempt to catch up and be more productive faster than a townie.

I don't have enough experience to know what scum would do, but it seems unlikely that there is a notable difference in response time, but discussing this is not getting us closer to finding scum imho.

You asked me if my case would look different if TAM had flipped scum, I don't know for sure what I would think of your actions in that light.. but I'd say that pushing for a lynch without reason is far less scummy if the lynched person is scum. at that moment it would have been very easy to defend your mate/deflect the pressure to the counterwagon. So, had TAM flipped scum, I don't think you would, but he didn't, and I'd like to know why you thought it relevant?

Ever thought I could have been TAM's sum partner?

[The-Duck]

No, as described above, your actions would have made no sense in a scum-scum scenario. The lynch was totally avoidable and the little bit of town cred you might have gotten for it is probably not worth losing your partner D1. I'll ask you again, why do you think that this is relevant to us now?

[Mindgamer]

Glad to hear it, Mindgamer. I don't expect a pass, but it was not a good sum move either. Still, why no vote on N1?

I wasn't sure if I should be pushing three different lynches in five posts. I probably should, though. I have no real reason to withhold my vote at this point.

Vote: Number_0ne

Why am I townblocing? Simple. My style of scumhnuting isn't working.

Repeating what you already said doesn't refute my argument. I wouldn't call this townbloc particularly effective either, seeing as no one has accepted your offer. Do you have any scumreads at all so far?

Except not really. I was more focused on Not Science because I had a strange feeling about her/him (NO CLUE). I ignored the TAM wagon altogether. Maybe I shouldn't have but whats done is done. I just thought we were giving up on the Notsci thing all together way to fast.

So what's your opinion on Notscience now?
A townbloc is something like "He's trying to build a confTown block to avoid voting each other and to vote together, in the hopes of driving lynches toward scum." See also Post 210.